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Whether I live or die I am Osiris,
I enter in and reappear through you,
I decay in you, I grow in you,
I fall down in you, I fall upon my side.
The gods are living in me for I live and grow in the
corn that sustains the Honoured Ones.
I cover the earth,
whether I live or die I am Barley,
I am not destroyed.
I have entered the Order <Maat>,
I rely upon the Order,
I become the Master of the Order,
I emerge in the Order,
I make my form distinct . . .
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Wakanyugi wrote:tycho wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:tycho wrote:Hi @Wakanyugi. I think you're right about me not being polite. Please, may you @Alph Doti, and all members forgive me for not being respectful and polite.
I find faith to be about expecting the application of certain knowledge to yield certain results. If I'm right, then on what can knowledge be based on if not experience?
And what's the basis of human experience if not the sun?
Considering how thoughts develop, and knowing the homogeneity of humans, it's no wonder that all cultures may exhibit a pattern.
Human civilization is basically discourse on the sun. Even when a mightier God than the sun is claimed, one can't fail to find concessions that perhaps reveal our own abstractions from the sun. It's more of a translocation of symbols. Tycho, the only reason I admonished you is because I have this mental image of our resident Mullah Alphadoti as the sage of Wazuastan. I suspect one day I'll be disabused of this mental construct but until then----- As for the Sun/God, given humans desperate need for a prop to serve as higher being, the Sun is as good a crutch as any. So long as we leave our minds open to the possibility that this god may one day be supplanted, we should be ok. The issue of the sun not being the only and the biggest star is instructive. I should have tackled it instead of throwing in an ad hominem. I let it go anyway... The idea of 'crutch' is interesting. Do humans need a crutch? The cosmological principle precludes that. We live in a homogenous universe, and thus the micro-cosmos and the macro-cosmos are one. So where and when do we need 'crutches'? I have a theory about this but it is only a theory. Life on Earth is not the normal for human beings and it remains a strange and scary experience for most of us all our lives. That is why we need things like region, alcohol, superstition etc that give us some measure comfort. These are all crutches, are they not? Religion becomes a crutch, and life on earth becomes abnormal because Maat has been lost. With Maat everything becomes normal. We are looking at reality with the eye of oppression. What are your thoughts on the 'third eye'?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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@Wakanyugi, I've come to believe that the big bang model is not true, and that the 'quasi-steady state cosmology' is the correct cosmology.
Besides, if all energy states and matter are bundles of information, then evolution becomes more and more implausible. Especially because we live in a quantum universe.
Guess why I'm telling you this?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Sorry guys, I've found a new hero/'role model'? Meet Sir Fred Hoyle: http://www.evolocus.com/Textbooks/Hoyle1999.pdf
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/3/2007 Posts: 1,635
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tycho wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:tycho wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:tycho wrote:Hi @Wakanyugi. I think you're right about me not being polite. Please, may you @Alph Doti, and all members forgive me for not being respectful and polite.
I find faith to be about expecting the application of certain knowledge to yield certain results. If I'm right, then on what can knowledge be based on if not experience?
And what's the basis of human experience if not the sun?
Considering how thoughts develop, and knowing the homogeneity of humans, it's no wonder that all cultures may exhibit a pattern.
Human civilization is basically discourse on the sun. Even when a mightier God than the sun is claimed, one can't fail to find concessions that perhaps reveal our own abstractions from the sun. It's more of a translocation of symbols. Tycho, the only reason I admonished you is because I have this mental image of our resident Mullah Alphadoti as the sage of Wazuastan. I suspect one day I'll be disabused of this mental construct but until then----- As for the Sun/God, given humans desperate need for a prop to serve as higher being, the Sun is as good a crutch as any. So long as we leave our minds open to the possibility that this god may one day be supplanted, we should be ok. The issue of the sun not being the only and the biggest star is instructive. I should have tackled it instead of throwing in an ad hominem. I let it go anyway... The idea of 'crutch' is interesting. Do humans need a crutch? The cosmological principle precludes that. We live in a homogenous universe, and thus the micro-cosmos and the macro-cosmos are one. So where and when do we need 'crutches'? I have a theory about this but it is only a theory. Life on Earth is not the normal for human beings and it remains a strange and scary experience for most of us all our lives. That is why we need things like region, alcohol, superstition etc that give us some measure comfort. These are all crutches, are they not? Religion becomes a crutch, and life on earth becomes abnormal because Maat has been lost. With Maat everything becomes normal. We are looking at reality with the eye of oppression. What are your thoughts on the 'third eye'? I think of the third eye as yest one more indicator of unrealized potential. We would not need a third eye if we learned to trust our own greater being - essentially overcome the fear of flying solo, without a crutch. It is not the only one. "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/3/2007 Posts: 1,635
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tycho wrote:@Wakanyugi, I've come to believe that the big bang model is not true, and that the 'quasi-steady state cosmology' is the correct cosmology.
Besides, if all energy states and matter are bundles of information, then evolution becomes more and more implausible. Especially because we live in a quantum universe.
Guess why I'm telling you this? I agree with you. The big bang model and even steady state inflation are the attempt of science to translate into three dimensions a reality that clearly admits of neither space nor time (in other words quantum reality). The theory that I feel most closely approximates my understanding is holographic. Our Universe is a holographic projection, an illusion. How that project is achieved is something I am still to understand. By the way this theory is exactly the same as the one you state as energy states being simple bundles of information. I would use the word patters but it is the same. Our reality has no discrete existence, it is a projection of patterns (information) which we give meaning only through our interpretation. It is an observer determined reality. So why are you asking me these things? "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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The third eye is the only aid for being without need for a crutch. At least in my opinion.
Questioning our cosmology, and even theories of evolution and development will most probably form the foundations of our enlightenment and renaissance...
I'd suggest we have a different name from 'African' of course.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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The sun knows more than any of us knows. How does the sun know? The sun even knows the future! The sun knows eternity.
I know more than I'm conscious of; how is that possible?
It goes back to the question, where do ideas come from? Ideas, simply come from the interelation of things. So how does the brain facilitate the interelation of things?
For now, I'm certain that the brain doesn't think. With what do humans think with? The rays of the sun and the natural bodies and things in the universe.
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/25/2008 Posts: 510
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tycho wrote:The sun knows more than any of us knows. How does the sun know? The sun even knows the future! The sun knows eternity.
I know more than I'm conscious of; how is that possible?
It goes back to the question, where do ideas come from? Ideas, simply come from the interelation of things. So how does the brain facilitate the interelation of things?
For now, I'm certain that the brain doesn't think. With what do humans think with? The rays of the sun and the natural bodies and things in the universe.
True, thoughts are vibrations of energy whose source is the Sun I AM trust in GOD, I AM belief in THYSELF
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