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tycho
#21 Posted : Wednesday, May 03, 2017 7:48:24 PM
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Amores wrote:
Eish, Tycho. You are running this thread pekee yako?

President Macron! En Marche!


Hi! I guess the 'monopoly' ni juu I happen to be working on our global political history and some of the engineering of events and outcomes that have been used by major political actors.

And also boredom. I have less and less to post nowadays...

Le Pen is likely to win, mainly because:

1. The non French actors supporting Macron are the actors who'd like Le Pen to win

2. The EU so far, appears to be on false grounds. Consider the terror in economic circles due to the ineffectiveness and inefficiencies of considering economics as a science. There are reasonable grounds for French citizens to wish to regain their country

3. This reason is connected to the first; if Le Pen wins, then it will be likely for Israel to get support for its goals in Palestine and globally. Remember what happened after Trump won? Israel annexed more land. This is probably why Hamas is playing a counter to Israeli ambitions by making some concessions

Macron, is a bait. It's a war that we're watching, and all war is about deception.

Ah! would you like us to have a wager? If Macron wins, I buy you a drink or something. If Le Pen wins you ....



murchr
#22 Posted : Sunday, May 07, 2017 9:09:26 PM
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tycho wrote:
murchr wrote:
tycho wrote:
murchr wrote:
Trump cost Le Pen this election. In short Trumpism is loosing


And what will you say in case Le Pen wins in the second round?

Is there a place in Kenya, or even on the net where one can learn election design and engineering?



She will not win, Trumpism is loosing.

Netherlands now France.



Trumpism means wealth and power to some quarters. They only have to be few in number to have their way.

What I'm trying to say, is that elections are mainly a kind of discourse that has very little to do with the masses as with capital and its ambitions.

After Russia's 'endorsement' then Trump's; then the terrorist attacks, I can't be so sure about what's happening.



Macron wins 65%
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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kripp
#23 Posted : Sunday, May 07, 2017 9:23:02 PM
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I hope the creatures at IEBC and politicians watch and learn from such countries.
Polls close at 8.00pm and because they are well organised, "free & fair", exit polls can reliably report the results; 10 minutes later, the losing candidate has already called the winner to congratulate and concede! and life goes on peacefully.
Will we ever reach there??
kaka2za
#24 Posted : Sunday, May 07, 2017 10:01:58 PM
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kripp wrote:
I hope the creatures at IEBC and politicians watch and learn from such countries.
Polls close at 8.00pm and because they are well organised, "free & fair", exit polls can reliably report the results; 10 minutes later, the losing candidate has already called the winner to congratulate and concede! and life goes on peacefully.
Will we ever reach there??


We will,by the year 2087.
Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
2012
#25 Posted : Sunday, May 07, 2017 10:57:25 PM
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Finally, the world is coming to its senses.

I was surprised to see that you could vote blank if you did not prefer any of the candidates. I think that's better than abstaining to vote by not showing up yet you wanted your voice the be heard.

BBI will solve it
:)
tycho
#26 Posted : Monday, May 08, 2017 3:18:17 AM
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murchr wrote:
tycho wrote:
murchr wrote:
tycho wrote:
murchr wrote:
Trump cost Le Pen this election. In short Trumpism is loosing


And what will you say in case Le Pen wins in the second round?

Is there a place in Kenya, or even on the net where one can learn election design and engineering?



She will not win, Trumpism is loosing.

Netherlands now France.



Trumpism means wealth and power to some quarters. They only have to be few in number to have their way.

What I'm trying to say, is that elections are mainly a kind of discourse that has very little to do with the masses as with capital and its ambitions.

After Russia's 'endorsement' then Trump's; then the terrorist attacks, I can't be so sure about what's happening.



Macron wins 65%


Yes. I even lost a wager...
quicksand
#27 Posted : Monday, May 08, 2017 10:36:58 AM
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murchr wrote:
Trump cost Le Pen this election. In short Trumpism is loosing

Called it perfectly,...even CNN came to the same conclusion
http://edition.cnn.com/2...inion-ghitis/index.html

My 2 predictions:
1) UK with Theresa May at the helm is going to get it rough with Brexit negotiations ...EU was driven by a strong Franco-German cooperation in its earlier years, and that dynamic may be returning with a Merkel-Macron duo, especially if Merkel sees off Schultz later in the German election ...

2) Republicans lose their majority -poisoned chalice this new healthcare legislation -the farce unfolds. I am a bit miffed Trump is imperceptibly moving towards the center, I wanted him to carry on full-stupid-hardcore-right so that we can have proper entertainment.
This hara-kiri by 2 great countries is fascinating to watch. Sometimes a great slap delivered by fate is the only thing that can cure people of stupidity.....
aemathenge
#28 Posted : Monday, May 08, 2017 10:38:47 AM
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Posts: 3,434
Location: Kerugoya
tycho wrote:
murchr wrote:
tycho wrote:
murchr wrote:
tycho wrote:
murchr wrote:
Trump cost Le Pen this election. In short Trumpism is loosing


And what will you say in case Le Pen wins in the second round?

Is there a place in Kenya, or even on the net where one can learn election design and engineering?



She will not win, Trumpism is loosing.

Netherlands now France.



Trumpism means wealth and power to some quarters. They only have to be few in number to have their way.

What I'm trying to say, is that elections are mainly a kind of discourse that has very little to do with the masses as with capital and its ambitions.

After Russia's 'endorsement' then Trump's; then the terrorist attacks, I can't be so sure about what's happening.



Macron wins 65%


Yes. I even lost a wager...


@Tycho, allow me if you may, to congratulate you on this display of the gracious gentleman, even in loss.

It is a rare display in this day, falling as it is during the silly political season here in Kenia, and where no "sane" individual acknowledges defeat.

You lost the wager but earned my respect.

Felicitations are in order.
tycho
#29 Posted : Monday, May 08, 2017 11:34:58 AM
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Joined: 7/1/2011
Posts: 8,804
Location: Nairobi
aemathenge wrote:
tycho wrote:
murchr wrote:
tycho wrote:
murchr wrote:
tycho wrote:
murchr wrote:
Trump cost Le Pen this election. In short Trumpism is loosing


And what will you say in case Le Pen wins in the second round?

Is there a place in Kenya, or even on the net where one can learn election design and engineering?



She will not win, Trumpism is loosing.

Netherlands now France.



Trumpism means wealth and power to some quarters. They only have to be few in number to have their way.

What I'm trying to say, is that elections are mainly a kind of discourse that has very little to do with the masses as with capital and its ambitions.

After Russia's 'endorsement' then Trump's; then the terrorist attacks, I can't be so sure about what's happening.



Macron wins 65%


Yes. I even lost a wager...


@Tycho, allow me if you may, to congratulate you on this display of the gracious gentleman, even in loss.

It is a rare display in this day, falling as it is during the silly political season here in Kenia, and where no "sane" individual acknowledges defeat.

You lost the wager but earned my respect.

Felicitations are in order.


By accepting defeat, we regain strength. And even find hope.

I might have won the wager and lost hope for a better life. A life with freedom.
sitaki.kujulikana
#30 Posted : Monday, May 08, 2017 12:43:44 PM
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kripp wrote:
I hope the creatures at IEBC and politicians watch and learn from such countries.
Polls close at 8.00pm and because they are well organised, "free & fair", exit polls can reliably report the results; 10 minutes later, the losing candidate has already called the winner to congratulate and concede! and life goes on peacefully.
Will we ever reach there??

Would you mind to elaborate what was free and fair in the French elections, I mean what can we learn from them in that regard, of late iebc has been streaming live election results and the provisional results are known before the next day after the polls, what am I missing.
kripp
#31 Posted : Monday, May 08, 2017 7:24:12 PM
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Joined: 9/13/2006
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:
kripp wrote:
I hope the creatures at IEBC and politicians watch and learn from such countries.
Polls close at 8.00pm and because they are well organised, "free & fair", exit polls can reliably report the results; 10 minutes later, the losing candidate has already called the winner to congratulate and concede! and life goes on peacefully.
Will we ever reach there??

Would you mind to elaborate what was free and fair in the French elections, I mean what can we learn from them in that regard, of late iebc has been streaming live election results and the provisional results are known before the next day after the polls, what am I missing.


My dream of "Free & Fair" Kenyan elections entails:
1)ALL eligible voters (i.e. adults of 18 years and above by the voting month) vote and are not denied the chance because they are still waiting for bureaucrats to process their ID cards or because their names are missing from voters' registers.
2)All candidates are given EQUAL opportunities to campaign and sell their agenda, not the current situation where certain regions have been declared as zones of certain parties. We know very well that this means that stuffing of ballot boxes will be carried out unabated in such zones.
3)State resources are not illegally used in political campaigns.
4)The people and organisation in charge of managing the elections carry out their duty objectively, truthfully and honourably instead of our situation where they are more interested in the tenders; some returning officers disappear with results and switch of their phones; results are massaged etc.
5) No violence

..... na kadhalika.
sitaki.kujulikana
#32 Posted : Tuesday, May 09, 2017 12:21:53 PM
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Joined: 8/25/2012
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kripp wrote:
sitaki.kujulikana wrote:
kripp wrote:
I hope the creatures at IEBC and politicians watch and learn from such countries.
Polls close at 8.00pm and because they are well organised, "free & fair", exit polls can reliably report the results; 10 minutes later, the losing candidate has already called the winner to congratulate and concede! and life goes on peacefully.
Will we ever reach there??

Would you mind to elaborate what was free and fair in the French elections, I mean what can we learn from them in that regard, of late iebc has been streaming live election results and the provisional results are known before the next day after the polls, what am I missing.


My dream of "Free & Fair" Kenyan elections entails:
1)ALL eligible voters (i.e. adults of 18 years and above by the voting month) vote and are not denied the chance because they are still waiting for bureaucrats to process their ID cards or because their names are missing from voters' registers.
2)All candidates are given EQUAL opportunities to campaign and sell their agenda, not the current situation where certain regions have been declared as zones of certain parties. We know very well that this means that stuffing of ballot boxes will be carried out unabated in such zones.
3)State resources are not illegally used in political campaigns.
4)The people and organisation in charge of managing the elections carry out their duty objectively, truthfully and honourably instead of our situation where they are more interested in the tenders; some returning officers disappear with results and switch of their phones; results are massaged etc.
5) No violence

..... na kadhalika.

I meant, what was free and fair in the french elections you quoted that we can learn from;

is it that in France ID issuance they do not have bureaucrats
is it that in France there were no zones declared for certain parties
is it that hollande or juncker did not use any state resource in campaigns for macron
is it that all those who were involved in planning the election in France were objective, truthful and honorable.
is it that there was no violence, before or during the elections.

I just wanted your take on the french elections.
murchr
#33 Posted : Friday, September 07, 2018 7:56:24 PM
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"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
.
Thitifini
#34 Posted : Friday, September 07, 2018 9:13:59 PM
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murchr wrote:


It's all just a political PR show.

60% Learning, 30% synthesizing, 10% Debating
sitaki.kujulikana
#35 Posted : Saturday, September 08, 2018 4:28:10 PM
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Thitifini wrote:
murchr wrote:


It's all just a political PR show.

the danish PM seems very comfortable on that bike, plus also the official cars that those 2 ride in are nothing compared to what our leaders drive.
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