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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/17/2009 Posts: 2,040 Location: GA
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kayhara wrote:The Great wrote:Some civil engineers are so used to malpractises, that they are the ones telling you this and that way around building regulations. U think they are saving you money but.. Why tell you that the site is not viable and not have a project to engineer? The fact that the building didn't crumble down shows that it's okay chumas were done right and all, only problem is the foundations (he who builds his house on sand) In Kiambu and surrounding areas with red soil guys assume the ground is stable but with the rains and the numerous septic tanks, soak pits, boreholes and wells make it easier for the soil to become saturated, if the walls of a water tank caves in the process may cascade to the foundations and a house being heavily will cut through muddy red soil like butter. SOLUTION the guy has some options to save his house, underpin the house and build a 1.2 to 1.5 meter raft foundation which wold have been what they used in the first place that should cost him a cool 10-20 m. Hapa hakuna options i don't see anyone setting foot inside that building again despite what he does.Those who have bought and the owners wasikizane bring down the building and lease out the open space
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/5/2010 Posts: 2,061 Location: Nairobi
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madollar wrote:kayhara wrote:The Great wrote:Some civil engineers are so used to malpractises, that they are the ones telling you this and that way around building regulations. U think they are saving you money but.. Why tell you that the site is not viable and not have a project to engineer? The fact that the building didn't crumble down shows that it's okay chumas were done right and all, only problem is the foundations (he who builds his house on sand) In Kiambu and surrounding areas with red soil guys assume the ground is stable but with the rains and the numerous septic tanks, soak pits, boreholes and wells make it easier for the soil to become saturated, if the walls of a water tank caves in the process may cascade to the foundations and a house being heavily will cut through muddy red soil like butter. SOLUTION the guy has some options to save his house, underpin the house and build a 1.2 to 1.5 meter raft foundation which wold have been what they used in the first place that should cost him a cool 10-20 m. Hapa hakuna options i don't see anyone setting foot inside that building again despite what he does.Those who have bought and the owners wasikizane bring down the building and lease out the open space Wrong. Kenyans have a very short collective memory and fatalistic tendencies....if the building is not brought down, the owners will do some remedial structural work, do fancy paint and finishing works, grease a few palms, sit tight and wait for time to pass and the storm to quiet down some ...perhaps lower rents and gullible Kenyans will troop back and take up units. The building needs to come down. End of.
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/27/2010 Posts: 495 Location: Nairobi
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Cornelius Vanderbilt wrote:very strange because to lay such a foundation for a huge building like that allot of digging all the sway down could have been done and sinkholes spotted before even before the foundation was put in place.as usual this is just shoddy workmanship Wouldn't be the first time:  Quote:Do any human activities induce sinkholes? Sure. Sometimes in karst areas [irregular landscapes formed when soluble rocks like limestone dissolve], when you drill a well—looking for water or for mining purposes—as you're pulling water out of the ground, you're lowering the groundwater table. That creates almost a toilet-flushing effect. You're lowering that groundwater level, and the soil that was sitting above just falls out. That's one way. We also induce sinkholes when we start putting up parking lots and buildings and changing what we call the hydrologic regime. Instead of the water naturally soaking into the ground, it's now running off and being concentrated—being put into the ground at one point. (See "Guatemala Sinkholes Created by Humans, Not Nature.") http://news.nationalgeog...xplainer-urban-science/
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/17/2009 Posts: 2,040 Location: GA
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quicksand wrote:madollar wrote:kayhara wrote:The Great wrote:Some civil engineers are so used to malpractises, that they are the ones telling you this and that way around building regulations. U think they are saving you money but.. Why tell you that the site is not viable and not have a project to engineer? The fact that the building didn't crumble down shows that it's okay chumas were done right and all, only problem is the foundations (he who builds his house on sand) In Kiambu and surrounding areas with red soil guys assume the ground is stable but with the rains and the numerous septic tanks, soak pits, boreholes and wells make it easier for the soil to become saturated, if the walls of a water tank caves in the process may cascade to the foundations and a house being heavily will cut through muddy red soil like butter. SOLUTION the guy has some options to save his house, underpin the house and build a 1.2 to 1.5 meter raft foundation which wold have been what they used in the first place that should cost him a cool 10-20 m. Hapa hakuna options i don't see anyone setting foot inside that building again despite what he does.Those who have bought and the owners wasikizane bring down the building and lease out the open space Wrong. Kenyans have a very short collective memory and fatalistic tendencies....if the building is not brought down, the owners will do some remedial structural work, do fancy paint and finishing works, grease a few palms, sit tight and wait for time to pass and the storm to quiet down some ...perhaps lower rents and gullible Kenyans will troop back and take up units. The building needs to come down. End of. That building has messed up the entire real estate industry in ruaka info spreads fast this days expect to hear depressed uptakes for both rental and for sale in the coming months.For sale units being the hardest hit majority of the property buyers are usually an enlightened lot.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/29/2011 Posts: 2,242
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kayhara wrote:The Great wrote:Some civil engineers are so used to malpractises, that they are the ones telling you this and that way around building regulations. U think they are saving you money but.. Why tell you that the site is not viable and not have a project to engineer? The fact that the building didn't crumble down shows that it's okay chumas were done right and all, only problem is the foundations (he who builds his house on sand) In Kiambu and surrounding areas with red soil guys assume the ground is stable but with the rains and the numerous septic tanks, soak pits, boreholes and wells make it easier for the soil to become saturated, if the walls of a water tank caves in the process may cascade to the foundations and a house being heavily will cut through muddy red soil like butter. SOLUTION the guy has some options to save his house, underpin the house and build a 1.2 to 1.5 meter raft foundation which wold have been what they used in the first place that should cost him a cool 10-20 m. That is called throwing good money onto bad money. I doubt anybody would risk his life and those of loved ones to moves in a house being supported by stilts. only traditional granaries are cool on stilts. "Things that matter most must never be at the mercy of things that matter least." Goethe
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 14,211 Location: nairobi
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Gathige wrote:kayhara wrote:The Great wrote:Some civil engineers are so used to malpractises, that they are the ones telling you this and that way around building regulations. U think they are saving you money but.. Why tell you that the site is not viable and not have a project to engineer? The fact that the building didn't crumble down shows that it's okay chumas were done right and all, only problem is the foundations (he who builds his house on sand) In Kiambu and surrounding areas with red soil guys assume the ground is stable but with the rains and the numerous septic tanks, soak pits, boreholes and wells make it easier for the soil to become saturated, if the walls of a water tank caves in the process may cascade to the foundations and a house being heavily will cut through muddy red soil like butter. SOLUTION the guy has some options to save his house, underpin the house and build a 1.2 to 1.5 meter raft foundation which wold have been what they used in the first place that should cost him a cool 10-20 m. That is called throwing good money onto bad money. I doubt anybody would risk his life and those of loved ones to moves in a house being supported by stilts. only traditional granaries are cool on stilts. They could do away with the parking lot and place the said stilts plus hardcore at the ground level.. It will require costly engineering but it could be salvaged KQ ABP 4.26
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