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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/5/2010 Posts: 2,459
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Wamunyota wrote:kaka2za wrote:Wamunyota wrote:It is unafrican to wish bad things to dead people.Let God deal with his soul.
If we forgave those who burnt others in churches.Why not forgive him? RIP is not african at all.For agikuyu the dead were abhorred that's why they used to dump the very sick in forests. I can't remember anyone asking to be forgiven for burning people in church.I think they said that the blaze was caused by..... I repeat may he BIH! It is unchristian to wish dead people bad things I thought people were forgiven and reconciled so that Jubilee can rule for the next 20 years. For this and other jokes sms wsr to 2022.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 6/23/2014 Posts: 1,652
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FRM2011 wrote:Wamunyota wrote:kaka2za wrote:Wamunyota wrote:It is unafrican to wish bad things to dead people.Let God deal with his soul.
If we forgave those who burnt others in churches.Why not forgive him? RIP is not african at all.For agikuyu the dead were abhorred that's why they used to dump the very sick in forests. I can't remember anyone asking to be forgiven for burning people in church.I think they said that the blaze was caused by..... I repeat may he BIH! It is unchristian to wish dead people bad things I thought people were forgiven and reconciled so that Jubilee can rule for the next 20 years. For this and other jokes sms wsr to 2022.  Mtashangaa.Lazima mrudishe mkono mpende msipende. Hutia Mundu!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/3/2008 Posts: 4,057 Location: Gwitu
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Wamunyota wrote:FRM2011 wrote:Wamunyota wrote:kaka2za wrote:Wamunyota wrote:It is unafrican to wish bad things to dead people.Let God deal with his soul.
If we forgave those who burnt others in churches.Why not forgive him? RIP is not african at all.For agikuyu the dead were abhorred that's why they used to dump the very sick in forests. I can't remember anyone asking to be forgiven for burning people in church.I think they said that the blaze was caused by..... I repeat may he BIH! It is unchristian to wish dead people bad things I thought people were forgiven and reconciled so that Jubilee can rule for the next 20 years. For this and other jokes sms wsr to 2022.  Mtashangaa.Lazima mrudishe mkono mpende msipende. Your signature betrays you! Truth forever on the scaffold Wrong forever on the throne (James Russell Rowell)
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 6/23/2014 Posts: 1,652
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kaka2za wrote:Wamunyota wrote:FRM2011 wrote:Wamunyota wrote:kaka2za wrote:Wamunyota wrote:It is unafrican to wish bad things to dead people.Let God deal with his soul.
If we forgave those who burnt others in churches.Why not forgive him? RIP is not african at all.For agikuyu the dead were abhorred that's why they used to dump the very sick in forests. I can't remember anyone asking to be forgiven for burning people in church.I think they said that the blaze was caused by..... I repeat may he BIH! It is unchristian to wish dead people bad things I thought people were forgiven and reconciled so that Jubilee can rule for the next 20 years. For this and other jokes sms wsr to 2022.  Mtashangaa.Lazima mrudishe mkono mpende msipende. Your signature betrays you!  Vandu vau Hutia Mundu!!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 6/23/2014 Posts: 1,652
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Wahome Thuku5 hrs · In 1990s William ole Ntimama presided over a kind of genocide in Narok never witnessed in Kenya before. He was the dean and the face of clashes between the Kikuyu and the Maasai. Death for others was like instant coffee to him. Masses were evicted from their homes and farms and their houses burnt and properties destroyed on his instructions. They were to lie low like envelopes. May God forgive him. But lets learn to call people what they really were. Hutia Mundu!!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/25/2012 Posts: 1,826
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pole kwa family, let the dead be, the dead can not defend themselves.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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He's currently lying low like an envelope.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/3/2010 Posts: 1,797 Location: Kenya
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Like an antelope I may be wrong..but then I could be right
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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my condolences to the family and the Maa and Meru communities. By the way - ilikuwa "antelope" or "envelope"? All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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The quality of leadership in Africa is perplexing. Kenya for instance is a country where 97% of population is below 65yrs, Over 50% below 18yrs, life expectancy is 59 yr. Yet a man aged 86 yrs led his tribe to statehouse on 9 August 2016 then died peacefully in his sleep barely 20 days later. How does a man with one foot in the grave lead his grandchildren, great grandchildren and get to determine their future? Other examples abound. A certain Governor has been in hospital 3 yrs out of the 4 of his term so far. He leads his county from his hospital bed as his MCAs scram and fight to take advantage of the leadership vacuum. Why can't he just step down? Let us not go to Zimbabwe where a similarly youthful population is led by a barely conscious 92 year old. An old man who is not in control of his bodily functions leading his great great grandchildren. Wonders of African leadership! Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/3/2008 Posts: 4,057 Location: Gwitu
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masukuma wrote:my condolences to the family and the Maa and Meru communities. By the way - ilikuwa "antelope" or "envelope"? It was never clear.It was reported differently and when asked to clarify he said either was applicable. Truth forever on the scaffold Wrong forever on the throne (James Russell Rowell)
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/15/2009 Posts: 371
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hardwood wrote:He's currently lying low like an envelope. I am from the cave but I have never seen such a primitive comment. Examine yourself man!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,330 Location: Masada
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Caveman wrote:hardwood wrote:He's currently lying low like an envelope. I am from the cave but I have never seen such a primitive comment. Examine yourself man!! Noted, now please head back to cave, caveman. Portfolio: Sold You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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masukuma wrote:my condolences to the family and the Maa and Meru communities. By the way - ilikuwa "antelope" or "envelope"? It doesn't matter. The bottom line:lie low Ntimama's legacy raises the old question of freedom/rights fighter vs villain Many prominent Maa including kina Kaikai are mourning him for 'being a leader who fought for his historically marginalised community'
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Lolest! wrote:masukuma wrote:my condolences to the family and the Maa and Meru communities. By the way - ilikuwa "antelope" or "envelope"? It doesn't matter. The bottom line:lie low Ntimama's legacy raises the old question of freedom/rights fighter vs villain Many prominent Maa including kina Kaikai are mourning him for 'being a leader who fought for his historically marginalised community' Are the maasai marginalised? Kajiado is the richest county. They also made sure maasai Mara park is not managed by national gov't but by the county and thus they make billions each year. Why should m aasai Mara be managed by the locals while all other major parks are managed by national govt via kws? Isnt this selfishness?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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hardwood wrote:Lolest! wrote:masukuma wrote:my condolences to the family and the Maa and Meru communities. By the way - ilikuwa "antelope" or "envelope"? It doesn't matter. The bottom line:lie low Ntimama's legacy raises the old question of freedom/rights fighter vs villain Many prominent Maa including kina Kaikai are mourning him for 'being a leader who fought for his historically marginalised community' Are the maasai marginalised? Kajiado is the richest county. They also made sure maasai Mara park is not managed by national gov't but by the county and thus they make billions each year. Why should m aasai Mara be managed by the locals while all other major parks are managed by national govt via kws? Isnt this selfishness?  nikujua kujitetea...kuvuta upande wao... nyinyi wengine ni mafala! unaexpect siku moja waseme... i think we should be like everyone else and give away the management of this thing to others? utangoja sana! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Caveman wrote:hardwood wrote:He's currently lying low like an envelope. I am from the cave but I have never seen such a primitive comment. Examine yourself man!! Why should one mourn someone who organised and celebrated the eviction and killing of innocent kenyans from their homes in enosupukia? These are people who had genuinely bought land from the locals and were going on with their normal lives. Why sell land and pocket the money and then evict or kill the buyer to get your land back? What kind of justice is that? What if people had chased him(Ndimama) from his lavington home and told him to go back to narok? http://www.the-star.co.k...-camp-at-state_c1001885
Quote: An estimated 30,000 members of the Kikuyu community were chased from Enosupukia during several days of bloody tribal clashes in October 1993 that left at least 20 people dead. The then most powerful Masai in the Moi government, Local Government Minister William ole Ntimama, who was seen as the hand behind the evictions, declared the matter all but settled; "The Kikuyu settlers have been driven out, the land returned to its traditional owners - and this one corner of Masailand has, in effect, been ethnically cleansed." Asked in an interview if the displaced Kikuyu might ever be allowed to return to Enosupukia, Ntimama replied: "No way. They got there illegally. They might as well go back where they came from," meaning traditional Kikuyu farming areas in Kenya's central region. "It's survival, okay?"
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/15/2009 Posts: 371
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hardwood wrote:Caveman wrote:hardwood wrote:He's currently lying low like an envelope. I am from the cave but I have never seen such a primitive comment. Examine yourself man!! Why should one mourn someone who organised and celebrated the eviction and killing of innocent kenyans from their homes in enosupukia? These are people who had genuinely bought land from the locals and were going on with their normal lives. Why sell land and pocket the money and then evict or kill the buyer to get your land back? What kind of justice is that? What if people had chased him(Ndimama) from his lavington home and told him to go back to narok? http://www.the-star.co.k...-camp-at-state_c1001885
Quote: An estimated 30,000 members of the Kikuyu community were chased from Enosupukia during several days of bloody tribal clashes in October 1993 that left at least 20 people dead. The then most powerful Masai in the Moi government, Local Government Minister William ole Ntimama, who was seen as the hand behind the evictions, declared the matter all but settled; "The Kikuyu settlers have been driven out, the land returned to its traditional owners - and this one corner of Masailand has, in effect, been ethnically cleansed." Asked in an interview if the displaced Kikuyu might ever be allowed to return to Enosupukia, Ntimama replied: "No way. They got there illegally. They might as well go back where they came from," meaning traditional Kikuyu farming areas in Kenya's central region. "It's survival, okay?" He passed away at 90 years of age  i don't think we should mourn. We should celebrate his life.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/3/2008 Posts: 4,057 Location: Gwitu
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Caveman wrote:hardwood wrote:Caveman wrote:hardwood wrote:He's currently lying low like an envelope. I am from the cave but I have never seen such a primitive comment. Examine yourself man!! Why should one mourn someone who organised and celebrated the eviction and killing of innocent kenyans from their homes in enosupukia? These are people who had genuinely bought land from the locals and were going on with their normal lives. Why sell land and pocket the money and then evict or kill the buyer to get your land back? What kind of justice is that? What if people had chased him(Ndimama) from his lavington home and told him to go back to narok? http://www.the-star.co.k...-camp-at-state_c1001885
Quote: An estimated 30,000 members of the Kikuyu community were chased from Enosupukia during several days of bloody tribal clashes in October 1993 that left at least 20 people dead. The then most powerful Masai in the Moi government, Local Government Minister William ole Ntimama, who was seen as the hand behind the evictions, declared the matter all but settled; "The Kikuyu settlers have been driven out, the land returned to its traditional owners - and this one corner of Masailand has, in effect, been ethnically cleansed." Asked in an interview if the displaced Kikuyu might ever be allowed to return to Enosupukia, Ntimama replied: "No way. They got there illegally. They might as well go back where they came from," meaning traditional Kikuyu farming areas in Kenya's central region. "It's survival, okay?" He passed away at 90 years of age  i don't think we should mourn. We should celebrate his life. Not we, you should celebrate his life. Maybe you got a free cave in Enosupukia. Truth forever on the scaffold Wrong forever on the throne (James Russell Rowell)
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/11/2015 Posts: 1,024
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kaka2za wrote:Caveman wrote:hardwood wrote:Caveman wrote:hardwood wrote:He's currently lying low like an envelope. I am from the cave but I have never seen such a primitive comment. Examine yourself man!! Why should one mourn someone who organised and celebrated the eviction and killing of innocent kenyans from their homes in enosupukia? These are people who had genuinely bought land from the locals and were going on with their normal lives. Why sell land and pocket the money and then evict or kill the buyer to get your land back? What kind of justice is that? What if people had chased him(Ndimama) from his lavington home and told him to go back to narok? http://www.the-star.co.k...-camp-at-state_c1001885
Quote: An estimated 30,000 members of the Kikuyu community were chased from Enosupukia during several days of bloody tribal clashes in October 1993 that left at least 20 people dead. The then most powerful Masai in the Moi government, Local Government Minister William ole Ntimama, who was seen as the hand behind the evictions, declared the matter all but settled; "The Kikuyu settlers have been driven out, the land returned to its traditional owners - and this one corner of Masailand has, in effect, been ethnically cleansed." Asked in an interview if the displaced Kikuyu might ever be allowed to return to Enosupukia, Ntimama replied: "No way. They got there illegally. They might as well go back where they came from," meaning traditional Kikuyu farming areas in Kenya's central region. "It's survival, okay?" He passed away at 90 years of age  i don't think we should mourn. We should celebrate his life. Not we, you should celebrate his life. Maybe you got a free cave in Enosupukia. lol.
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