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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/27/2012 Posts: 2,256 Location: Bandalungwa
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hardwood wrote:Alba wrote:Buru is indicative of Nairobi's poor planning and greed. The net result is issues like insane traffic, water shortages, flooding, poor services etc. Things will only get worse as the population surges. How have cities like London and Paris survived for hundreds of years? Their estates built in the 1800s AD still look nice, while buruburu built just the other day is in shambles. It is pure greed and lack of foresight among Kenyans. Nairobi started out well. By 1963 the city was still following the master plan laid out in the 1940s. There was a plan for an orderly expansion of the city. As the documentary describes, land was set aside for fire stations, road expansion, playgrounds, markets etc. This land that was set aside was grabbed by well connected politicians. Now there is no land left to expand roads, or build firestations or drainage channels or sewer plants. Aside from land grabbing, property developers have been allowed to expand even in areas which are unsuitable for expansion. They used to accomplish this by simply bribing city hall officials. Thats why Nairobi is so chaotic in terms of floods, traffic, water shortages, poor housing, crime etc. In Nairobi if your house is on fire, good luck getting the fire brigade to come over. This is why I keep saying that tribal voting is so bogus. These politicians divide us along tribal lines and while we are on wazua and in bars calling each other names, they are busy grabbing land and taking bribes. We should be voting for politicians who solve these issues not ones who exacerbate the problem by grabbing land. Now we are paying for 50 years of mismanagement that we have brought on ourselves. And Now that there is no more land to grab in the estates, the next frontier for land grabbing is schools and Universities. One of these days we will end up in a situation where 50% of schools in the city have no playing ground because it has been grabbed. This robbery of land never happen in London, Paris or New York. I can attest to this from a NY perspective. Its not perfect but expansion has been orderly.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/25/2012 Posts: 1,826
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Alba wrote:hardwood wrote:Alba wrote:Buru is indicative of Nairobi's poor planning and greed. The net result is issues like insane traffic, water shortages, flooding, poor services etc. Things will only get worse as the population surges. How have cities like London and Paris survived for hundreds of years? Their estates built in the 1800s AD still look nice, while buruburu built just the other day is in shambles. It is pure greed and lack of foresight among Kenyans. Nairobi started out well. By 1963 the city was still following the master plan laid out in the 1940s. There was a plan for an orderly expansion of the city. As the documentary describes, land was set aside for fire stations, road expansion, playgrounds, markets etc. This land that was set aside was grabbed by well connected politicians. Now there is no land left to expand roads, or build firestations or drainage channels or sewer plants. Aside from land grabbing, property developers have been allowed to expand even in areas which are unsuitable for expansion. They used to accomplish this by simply bribing city hall officials. Thats why Nairobi is so chaotic in terms of floods, traffic, water shortages, poor housing, crime etc. In Nairobi if your house is on fire, good luck getting the fire brigade to come over. This is why I keep saying that tribal voting is so bogus. These politicians divide us along tribal lines and while we are on wazua and in bars calling each other names, they are busy grabbing land and taking bribes. We should be voting for politicians who solve these issues not ones who exacerbate the problem by grabbing land. Now we are paying for 50 years of mismanagement that we have brought on ourselves. And Now that there is no more land to grab in the estates, the next frontier for land grabbing is schools and Universities. One of these days we will end up in a situation where 50% of schools in the city have no playing ground because it has been grabbed. This robbery of land never happen in London, Paris or New York. I can attest to this from a NY perspective. Its not perfect but expansion has been orderly. those school playgrounds have overgrown grass, kid never play huko, they are all in class cramming for kcse, I think we need to them put to good use like putting up developments on them But in honesty, Nairobi is just a crazy place, but I would place much blame on the love of tuploti.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/27/2012 Posts: 2,256 Location: Bandalungwa
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:those school playgrounds have overgrown grass, kid never play huko, they are all in class cramming for kcse, I think we need to them put to good use like putting up developments on them But in honesty, Nairobi is just a crazy place, but I would place much blame on the love of tuploti. I never see overgrown fields. In fact I see quite the opposite in primary schools. The field is so overused and overcrowded that there is no grass growing. You are right when you say love of plots is the issue. The obsession with plots is bad. But what is even worse is the allocation of plots to political bigwigs in areas which should have been set aside for public use. This is especially true for road reserves. For example, When Nairobi was first built, many middle class housing estates were actually equipped with fire hydrants underground in order to fight fires. Today , other houses have been built over these fire hydrants such that city council would have no chance of locating them for maintenance or even fighting a fire.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,568 Location: nairobi
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:Alba wrote:hardwood wrote:Alba wrote:Buru is indicative of Nairobi's poor planning and greed. The net result is issues like insane traffic, water shortages, flooding, poor services etc. Things will only get worse as the population surges. How have cities like London and Paris survived for hundreds of years? Their estates built in the 1800s AD still look nice, while buruburu built just the other day is in shambles. It is pure greed and lack of foresight among Kenyans. Nairobi started out well. By 1963 the city was still following the master plan laid out in the 1940s. There was a plan for an orderly expansion of the city. As the documentary describes, land was set aside for fire stations, road expansion, playgrounds, markets etc. This land that was set aside was grabbed by well connected politicians. Now there is no land left to expand roads, or build firestations or drainage channels or sewer plants. Aside from land grabbing, property developers have been allowed to expand even in areas which are unsuitable for expansion. They used to accomplish this by simply bribing city hall officials. Thats why Nairobi is so chaotic in terms of floods, traffic, water shortages, poor housing, crime etc. In Nairobi if your house is on fire, good luck getting the fire brigade to come over. This is why I keep saying that tribal voting is so bogus. These politicians divide us along tribal lines and while we are on wazua and in bars calling each other names, they are busy grabbing land and taking bribes. We should be voting for politicians who solve these issues not ones who exacerbate the problem by grabbing land. Now we are paying for 50 years of mismanagement that we have brought on ourselves. And Now that there is no more land to grab in the estates, the next frontier for land grabbing is schools and Universities. One of these days we will end up in a situation where 50% of schools in the city have no playing ground because it has been grabbed. This robbery of land never happen in London, Paris or New York. I can attest to this from a NY perspective. Its not perfect but expansion has been orderly. those school playgrounds have overgrown grass, kid never play huko, they are all in class cramming for kcse, I think we need to them put to good use like putting up developments on them But in honesty, Nairobi is just a crazy place, but I would place much blame on the love of tuploti. In Nyayo Estate on one of the kids play areas they have put up one bedrooms retailing at KES 4.5m while the 3 bedroom goes for KES 7.5m. Dilution of the value for current property owners. Shame on the high priest Arap Singh and company COOP 70,000 ABP 15.20; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Sad. Illegal extensions and kiosks/vibandas have killed the once beautiful estate.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/27/2012 Posts: 2,256 Location: Bandalungwa
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obiero wrote: In Nyayo Estate on one of the kids play areas they have put up one bedrooms retailing at KES 4.5m while the 3 bedroom goes for KES 7.5m. Dilution of the value for current property owners. Shame on the high priest Arap Singh and company
This is true all over Nairobi. Housing estates that were built during the colonoal period as well as during the 1960s and 1970s all had playgrounds and recreation areas. Playgrounds are not just for fun and games. The original city planners who were mostly Europeans understood that the youth need to be kept busy with positive activities in order to keep them away from drugs and crime. Thats why the mandated that all housing estates must have playgrounds and recreational spaces. Today most of these playgrounds have been grabbed and the new estates being built do not have any recreation spaces. As a result all colonial era housing estates like Jericho and Makongeni are losing their recreation areas. So the jobless youth sit around idling all day, smoking ganja, drinking themselves silly and chewing miraa while plotting their next mugging Dallas boxing club in Muthurwa which produced Kenya's best boxers through the 1970s and 1980s has been having to fight off greedy developers who are intent on grabbing it. Its just a matter of time before it is gone like other social halls. And you wonder why Kenya is useless at boxing nowadays? Some of these muggers and carjackers should be channeled towards boxing and other sports as an outlet for their aggression. Instead of grabbing the gyms, we should put these youth in there and equip them with punching bags and weights. And the amount of money an amateur boxer can make nowadays is incredible (millions). But Mwaafrigha is overcome with greed and lack of foresight.
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/27/2014 Posts: 560 Location: Eastlando
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Alba wrote:obiero wrote: In Nyayo Estate on one of the kids play areas they have put up one bedrooms retailing at KES 4.5m while the 3 bedroom goes for KES 7.5m. Dilution of the value for current property owners. Shame on the high priest Arap Singh and company
This is true all over Nairobi. Housing estates that were built during the colonoal period as well as during the 1960s and 1970s all had playgrounds and recreation areas. Playgrounds are not just for fun and games. The original city planners who were mostly Europeans understood that the youth need to be kept busy with positive activities in order to keep them away from drugs and crime. Thats why the mandated that all housing estates must have playgrounds and recreational spaces. Today most of these playgrounds have been grabbed and the new estates being built do not have any recreation spaces. As a result all colonial era housing estates like Jericho and Makongeni are losing their recreation areas. So the jobless youth sit around idling all day, smoking ganja, drinking themselves silly and chewing miraa while plotting their next mugging Dallas boxing club in Muthurwa which produced Kenya's best boxers through the 1970s and 1980s has been having to fight off greedy developers who are intent on grabbing it. Its just a matter of time before it is gone like other social halls. And you wonder why Kenya is useless at boxing nowadays? Some of these muggers and carjackers should be channeled towards boxing and other sports as an outlet for their aggression. Instead of grabbing the gyms, we should put these youth in there and equip them with punching bags and weights. And the amount of money an amateur boxer can make nowadays is incredible (millions). But Mwaafrigha is overcome with greed and lack of foresight. There is some stupidity a black man has, that i don´t really know where it came from. A missionary in Africa told me, although i found it racist then, that black people were created to do sports while white people were created to be academically superior. Sometimes, i think he was right although it is a hard pill to take
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/27/2012 Posts: 2,256 Location: Bandalungwa
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Fullykenyan wrote: There is some stupidity a black man has, that i don´t really know where it came from. A missionary in Africa told me, although i found it racist then, that black people were created to do sports while white people were created to be academically superior. Sometimes, i think he was right although it is a hard pill to take
The problem with Kenya is cultural not cerebral. We are not stupid. We are just greedy. The culture of greed was created by Jomo Kenyatta. The first president of Kenya was greedy beyond belief. He was a relentless land grabber who is said to have grabbed enough land for 3 or 4 counties. He set the tone for the rest of the country. When people saw the prezzi grabbing land, they also followed suit. In fact Kenyatta and Moi both encouraged their inner circle and government officials to be corrupt while Kibaki and UK have decided to turn a blind eye to corruption and theft. The net result is that anyone who has an opportunity to grab land or bribe or build an illegal building will do so. Our leaders have created a culture where such behaviour is acceptable. As I said in the other thread, I blame Jomo Kenyatta for the mess that is Nairobi. He lived in London for 15 years so he had a chance to see a fully functional mature city. He could have come back to Kenya and ensured that land was reserved for fire stations, road expansion, drainage , water catchment, sewers and other infrastructure. Instead of looking out for the future of the city and its people, he looked out for his family: He grabbed land even within the cities and towns and encouraged well connected people to do the same. So now the heirs of these people are fighting over multi-billion shilling property while you battle insane traffic, water shortages, power shortagaes and so forth.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Alba wrote:Fullykenyan wrote: There is some stupidity a black man has, that i don´t really know where it came from. A missionary in Africa told me, although i found it racist then, that black people were created to do sports while white people were created to be academically superior. Sometimes, i think he was right although it is a hard pill to take
The problem with Kenya is cultural not cerebral. We are not stupid. We are just greedy. The culture of greed was created by Jomo Kenyatta. The first president of Kenya was greedy beyond belief. He was a relentless land grabber who is said to have grabbed enough land for 3 or 4 counties. He set the tone for the rest of the country. When people saw the prezzi grabbing land, they also followed suit. In fact Kenyatta and Moi both encouraged their inner circle and government officials to be corrupt while Kibaki and UK have decided to turn a blind eye to corruption and theft. The net result is that anyone who has an opportunity to grab land or bribe or build an illegal building will do so. Our leaders have created a culture where such behaviour is acceptable. As I said in the other thread, I blame Jomo Kenyatta for the mess that is Nairobi. He lived in London for 15 years so he had a chance to see a fully functional mature city. He could have come back to Kenya and ensured that land was reserved for fire stations, road expansion, drainage , water catchment, sewers and other infrastructure. Instead of looking out for the future of the city and its people, he looked out for his family: He grabbed land even within the cities and towns and encouraged well connected people to do the same. So now the heirs of these people are fighting over multi-billion shilling property while you battle insane traffic, water shortages, power shortagaes and so forth. @fullykenyan You have to be stupid to believe such nonsense. We have very many academically gifted blacks including many professors even in the US. @alba Jomo Kenyatta is NOT to blame for the mess in nairobi. When he died in 1978 he left what the world used to call "the green city in the sun". It was a city where you could even go window shopping at tom mboya street, river road at midnight. He even left a working public transport system and buses used to run on time, even at night. He left beautiful well planned estates even in eastlands eg buru buru, umoja, donholm etc with playgrounds, social halls etc. Then Moi took over and everything went haywire.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/13/2015 Posts: 1,597
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hardwood wrote:Alba wrote:Fullykenyan wrote: There is some stupidity a black man has, that i don´t really know where it came from. A missionary in Africa told me, although i found it racist then, that black people were created to do sports while white people were created to be academically superior. Sometimes, i think he was right although it is a hard pill to take
The problem with Kenya is cultural not cerebral. We are not stupid. We are just greedy. The culture of greed was created by Jomo Kenyatta. The first president of Kenya was greedy beyond belief. He was a relentless land grabber who is said to have grabbed enough land for 3 or 4 counties. He set the tone for the rest of the country. When people saw the prezzi grabbing land, they also followed suit. In fact Kenyatta and Moi both encouraged their inner circle and government officials to be corrupt while Kibaki and UK have decided to turn a blind eye to corruption and theft. The net result is that anyone who has an opportunity to grab land or bribe or build an illegal building will do so. Our leaders have created a culture where such behaviour is acceptable. As I said in the other thread, I blame Jomo Kenyatta for the mess that is Nairobi. He lived in London for 15 years so he had a chance to see a fully functional mature city. He could have come back to Kenya and ensured that land was reserved for fire stations, road expansion, drainage , water catchment, sewers and other infrastructure. Instead of looking out for the future of the city and its people, he looked out for his family: He grabbed land even within the cities and towns and encouraged well connected people to do the same. So now the heirs of these people are fighting over multi-billion shilling property while you battle insane traffic, water shortages, power shortagaes and so forth. @fullykenyan You have to be stupid to believe such nonsense. We have very many academically gifted blacks including many professors even in the US. @alba Jomo Kenyatta is NOT to blame for the mess in nairobi. When he died in 1978 he left what the world used to call "the green city in the sun". It was a city where you could even go window shopping at tom mboya street, river road at midnight. He even left a working public transport system and buses used to run on time, even at night. He left beautiful well planned estates even in eastlands eg buru buru, umoja, donholm etc with playgrounds, social halls etc. Then Moi took over and everything went haywire. Nairobi in the 1980's was a beautiful place, buruburu was at its prime, umoja and even dandora was still a well organized place, water in constant supply, public transport run on time and across the city. Things went haywire after the 1992 election when the city commission was replaced with the kanjoras from Murang'a. As for the buru buru the land value has gone up but those houses are 30+ years old you would expect them to be dilapidated by now. Something happened to peoples incomes in 1990s so they couldn't keep up with a middle class status forcing them to build extensions to supplement falling incomes.
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The big question is, do you foresee this happening with these gated communities from the likes of Suraya etc?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/27/2012 Posts: 2,256 Location: Bandalungwa
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hardwood wrote:
@alba Jomo Kenyatta is NOT to blame for the mess in nairobi. When he died in 1978 he left what the world used to call "the green city in the sun". It was a city where you could even go window shopping at tom mboya street, river road at midnight. He even left a working public transport system and buses used to run on time, even at night. He left beautiful well planned estates even in eastlands eg buru buru, umoja, donholm etc with playgrounds, social halls etc. Then Moi took over and everything went haywire.
I agree with some of your assessment. Nairobi really went haywire under Moi. His administration did most of the damage in terms of apportioning public land to well connected individuals. Perhaps the worst thing Moi did was disbanding the Nairobi city council and replacing it with Nairobi city commission so that Nairobians could no longer elect the mayor or any Councillors. But it must be said that the land grabbing culture started with Kenyatta and we still haven't stopped. Now that there is not much land left to grab, schools are the next target.
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/27/2014 Posts: 560 Location: Eastlando
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@Hardwood i didn´t say that we blacks are stupid, what i said is that sometimes am tempted to think .we are stupid. Picture this, Whenever a proffession goes back home,where s/he grew up, people tend to come and see them ,not to ask them on how one can help them with ideas that they have gathered over the years but with Chapaa ya lunch. The last time i was home, some few men asked me for something kidogo, i gave them 5K but they were disappointed ,that i didn´t give them 50k. Surely, i just can´t give anyone that much cash, bearing in mind am not a politician. I hussled my way alone to go and study abroad. Instead of this men coming to ask me of ways their sons and daughters could also study abroad, you don´t have to be rich to study in most of the european countries,they care alot about handouts.Next time am around, i will definately not meet them.They have lost out on Information that i could give them free of charge, It is such kind of behaviour that i ask myself if we are stupid generally. If you go to Asian countries, there is almost zero crime. however, in countries with black population, one gets really scared of their life
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/27/2010 Posts: 951 Location: Nyumbani
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I have lived and interacted with Junguz for long , though am sure there might be some wazuans who have done so longer than me. However i disagree with anyone who says us blacks are stupid bla bla.What we lack is organization.Look at yourself, around yourself and you will see the fruits of lack of organisation.Where i live, there are businesses that cannot be operated within some defined distance.Say you have a press kiosk every 500M, the municipal councils have put into place laws that say a kiosk, pharmacy, bakery etc should not be at a distance say 2Kms apart. In that case there will be no fighting over customers.I usually work early and find guys cleaning the streets as early as 4am.When people go to work at 7 or 8, the streets are already clean and you will not even see the cleaners.Routine schedules for say maintaining small stuff like flower beds have been done. These are simple things and they are the basis of any organized society. Look at Nairobi, when is the cleaning done? when are the dust bins emptied ? how are the shops/kiosks /house construction permits allocated ? This starts from your home to the highest office.You are paid your salary and the first thing you do is drink a chunk at the beginning of the month and come 20th you are already waiting for the advance.
There are very bright black people out there and i think the key word is organization.
Sad for Buru some parts look like Huruma.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Mike Ock wrote:The big question is, do you foresee this happening with these gated communities from the likes of Suraya etc? If you have bought a house. Form a nyumba kumi kind of organization with the other home owners and create a memorandum of understanding where you have agreements on how you want your estate to be maintained. Make these rules bound by law and ensure that every new owner abides by them. No kiosks (why do Kenyans have to open so many of them) no extensions, unplanned developments eg funny looking gates etc. If you all what your property to appreciate, you need to all agree on how to maintain it. Dont let greed be the detriment of your investment. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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City hall has started redeveloping it's old estates, starting with ngara. Ngara to have 40 floor apartments. https://www.standardmedi...cc-times-tower?pageNo=1
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/25/2012 Posts: 1,826
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kiash wrote:I have lived and interacted with Junguz for long , though am sure there might be some wazuans who have done so longer than me. However i disagree with anyone who says us blacks are stupid bla bla.What we lack is organization.Look at yourself, around yourself and you will see the fruits of lack of organisation.Where i live, there are businesses that cannot be operated within some defined distance.Say you have a press kiosk every 500M, the municipal councils have put into place laws that say a kiosk, pharmacy, bakery etc should not be at a distance say 2Kms apart. In that case there will be no fighting over customers.I usually work early and find guys cleaning the streets as early as 4am.When people go to work at 7 or 8, the streets are already clean and you will not even see the cleaners.Routine schedules for say maintaining small stuff like flower beds have been done. These are simple things and they are the basis of any organized society. Look at Nairobi, when is the cleaning done? when are the dust bins emptied ? how are the shops/kiosks /house construction permits allocated ? This starts from your home to the highest office.You are paid your salary and the first thing you do is drink a chunk at the beginning of the month and come 20th you are already waiting for the advance.
There are very bright black people out there and i think the key word is organization.
Sad for Buru some parts look like Huruma. lack of organization might symbolize stupidity, otherwise how else can you explain the lack of willingness or ability to do those simple things. or how would you explain an inteligent black man leaving his poor country to go get accommodation and develop some foreign rich mans land
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Just seen on 9pm news Membley residents protesting and bringing down a flat being put up in their estate. Residents associations need to be empowered to prevent such ujinga by greedy developers. If the estate regulations say only one family home can be put up on a plot that's it. If someone wants to put up flats, they can sell the plot and go buy land elsewhere and build flats in an area where they are allowed.
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/27/2014 Posts: 560 Location: Eastlando
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Intelligence is not about regurgitating facts,it is about applying what you have learned abd this is where most africans fail. Africans use their education to intimidate others.Some problems i see in Africa can be solved easily without employing much resources. An African is still behind regardless of their richness and educational achievement. Simple planning is a problem. You rarely find intelligent stimulating discussions on our Tv's. Our celebrities are akothee's,Prezo,Alai,Sidika,etc
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/5/2011 Posts: 1,059
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Most people think public green spaces are a waste of space, in Nairobi, if you are in your ka-flat and you want to soak in some sun, your options are limited, you can't seat at the road side you'll look like a mad idler, you can't go in a school ground you'll look like a pedophile, you dont want to go to Uhuru park that's mamboch,s space, so you either go to your local built on a road reserve. In those gated Estates you all want, teens are trapped, kids can play on the streets what about the teens, when chamas come home teens either hide in their bedrooms or go to base where other teens eat miraa whistle at passing ladies, start doing drugs etc, our social hall are now only rental, churches only open their grounds to paid events or on Sundays only. In short we don't have public areas in our residential areas so bars and clubs are the new public spaces, where you have to buy to stay. To Each His Own
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