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Why Burn Ksh. 20B Worth of Ivory?
masukuma
#21 Posted : Sunday, May 01, 2016 12:04:40 PM
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All these businesses succeed simply because there is a guy who has mastered the distribution channel! it's not the poacher that is the main person. He is a cog wheel in a fairly sophisticated network. To run this network one needs cash and thus when one creates a distribution channel to china, he/she charges premium! ok! so what we need to do is kill this network of cog wheels. you can either kill it the way you are currently doing it... fighting it by looking for poachers and trying to follow the trail upwards upto a guy in china OR you could make their business not worth doing! Make ivory a nicknack by flooding the market with it and keep the controls on. This will make it impossible for the business men to go through their expensive distribution channel and provide a cheap product and thus the business will implode! We are not selling the Ivory to in China to "make X shillings" Tuna HARIBU SOKO TU! Spoliers!! Heck We should even give them out for free so that there is no prestige in having an Ivory derived substance. I fail to see what burning ivory does to
1) Kill the Ivory Business
2) Add the numbers of Elephants we have

it's just a statement to the rest of the world but not the business people involved in the trade coz they have already factored in the "hasara" in their math!
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hardwood
#22 Posted : Sunday, May 01, 2016 12:31:54 PM
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http://www.the-star.co.k...wants-poachers_c1342613

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Cord leader Raila Odinga has lashed out at the president for burning piles of ivory.
hardwood
#23 Posted : Sunday, May 01, 2016 6:30:08 PM
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harrydre
#24 Posted : Sunday, May 01, 2016 7:43:23 PM
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hardwood wrote:
http://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2016/05/01/raila-dismisses-uhuru-ivory-burn-as-publicity-stunt-wants-poachers_c1342613

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Cord leader Raila Odinga has lashed out at the president for burning piles of ivory.


ha ha every world leader is congratulating the president while this clown is ever opposing anything and everything!
i.am.back!!!!
hindi ni riu
#25 Posted : Tuesday, May 03, 2016 8:35:24 PM
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masukuma wrote:
All these businesses succeed simply because there is a guy who has mastered the distribution channel! it's not the poacher that is the main person. He is a cog wheel in a fairly sophisticated network. To run this network one needs cash and thus when one creates a distribution channel to china, he/she charges premium! ok! so what we need to do is kill this network of cog wheels. you can either kill it the way you are currently doing it... fighting it by looking for poachers and trying to follow the trail upwards upto a guy in china OR you could make their business not worth doing! Make ivory a nicknack by flooding the market with it and keep the controls on. This will make it impossible for the business men to go through their expensive distribution channel and provide a cheap product and thus the business will implode! We are not selling the Ivory to in China to "make X shillings" Tuna HARIBU SOKO TU! Spoliers!! Heck We should even give them out for free so that there is no prestige in having an Ivory derived substance. I fail to see what burning ivory does to
1) Kill the Ivory Business
2) Add the numbers of Elephants we have

it's just a statement to the rest of the world but not the business people involved in the trade coz they have already factored in the "hasara" in their math!


You can "haribu soko" with a resource you has near infinite supply, or one you have quick renewal of. Ivory fall on neither of that. Ignoring the worth of the ivory, how many pieces were actually there? Those would get snapped up all too easily and used to make exotic pieces. ...and then...we are back to poaching again.

“Once the last tree is cut and the last river poisoned,you will find you cannot eat your money" Traditional saying.
mkeiy
#26 Posted : Wednesday, May 04, 2016 8:27:50 AM
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hindi ni riu wrote:
masukuma wrote:
All these businesses succeed simply because there is a guy who has mastered the distribution channel! it's not the poacher that is the main person. He is a cog wheel in a fairly sophisticated network. To run this network one needs cash and thus when one creates a distribution channel to china, he/she charges premium! ok! so what we need to do is kill this network of cog wheels. you can either kill it the way you are currently doing it... fighting it by looking for poachers and trying to follow the trail upwards upto a guy in china OR you could make their business not worth doing! Make ivory a nicknack by flooding the market with it and keep the controls on. This will make it impossible for the business men to go through their expensive distribution channel and provide a cheap product and thus the business will implode! We are not selling the Ivory to in China to "make X shillings" Tuna HARIBU SOKO TU! Spoliers!! Heck We should even give them out for free so that there is no prestige in having an Ivory derived substance. I fail to see what burning ivory does to
1) Kill the Ivory Business
2) Add the numbers of Elephants we have

it's just a statement to the rest of the world but not the business people involved in the trade coz they have already factored in the "hasara" in their math!


You can "haribu soko" with a resource you has near infinite supply, or one you have quick renewal of. Ivory fall on neither of that. Ignoring the worth of the ivory, how many pieces were actually there? Those would get snapped up all too easily and used to make exotic pieces. ...and then...we are back to poaching again.



Like poaching stopped with the burning.

It was not the first time ivory was being burned, it won't be the last.

Poaching is still on.

At least with all those tonnes going on sale,the demand for fresh ivory would have ceased for a while, saving tens of elephants.

Owning ivory piece would become less prestigious as @Masukuma has said and maybe, kill demand.
majimaji
#27 Posted : Wednesday, May 04, 2016 10:03:12 AM
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What I have always wondered: Don't asian elephants have ivory. Why cant the chinese and the like rear elephants so that they can feed their ivory craving?
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