With spikes like soccer boots,studded!

P.S this is what I wrote
If you read it carefully I was relaying the questions raised by persons in the nordic countries.

P.S. the whole debate is a debate of health not of religion? it's very clear that most Abrahamic religions require one to (for lack of a better phrase) "nip it in the bud" . That is not in debate... The debate is why the child has to lose it then get informed just why it was done for his benefit later?? So if we had some text that said everyone loses a toe when they are young and get informed just why it was important for them to lose the toe when they were kids "for their benefit" coz of a covenant that was given to Jews, Samaritans and Arabs. What if he wants it back? it's not like wearing an odd shaped hat that one day you can opt out off - it's loss of a part of your body. Christians don't really practice it "religiously" coz i guess it's in the same reason we don't leave the farm fallow on the seventh year or still do some of the 39 things out lawed things on Sabbath.

Then remove the 8th day from your equation, because that is Abrahamic.

I will not remove it simply because majority of the worlds circumcised males were circumcised on the 8th day! and as demonstrated - it's not always in obedience to the ritual required by SOME abrahamic religions - Christians don't care! they haven't cared for a while. anyway... back to topic...
it's an optional surgical procedure that is meted upon an infant - all so called health "benefits" can be achieved in some other way and in a much more guaranteed manner - without surgery.

Just for the record, as far I am concerned (from religious perspective), FGM is permissible BUT not a MUST. If there is any harm in female circumcision then it can even be BANNED (and I support) because it has been proven by scientific and medically proven that the way it is done is harmful to the health of the girl child.

And similarly, the male circumcision is not a MUST but is RECOMMENDED. For the male, there is no scientific and medical harm to male circumcision. All we hear is that oh it is painful, or oh it is risky, or oh it is deforming, or oh it is sexually diminishing, or oh there is no health benefits.

But we know it is hygienic. All those men who are not circumcised smell in the hand after visiting the toilet and forgot to wash their hand after holding a bare "head". You need to borrow leave from Muslims and clean yourself to avoid urine droplets remaining inside the sac and causing irritation and becoming smelly from the body heat. This sometimes leads to infection...

I guess those not practicing it are not seeing these "benefits". Try and conduct this test - ask those men who "smell their hands after pissing" to go face the knife! coz it will stop them from smelling themselves then see if the cost benefit assessment will topple things your way. Try this with any other "benefit" and see if they want to lose their fore skin for these benefits!

Jambo AlphDoti,

Please note mathukuma has recently announced his defection from Wazua Christian Union to form Wazua Agnostics Forum. He is therefore not authorised to make any posts, replies or arguments on behalf of the Union.

The Union shall not be held responsible...

the 1st guy who got the snip must have "Seen" the benefits - right? if it's so useful... the benefits would be self manifest

@ - wachana na labels! I was not talking as a "christian" but never the less, I can argue as whomever I please.

@masukums, that's why I gave my kids honey to taste when they were infants. Now being adults, they know how honey tastes and its benefits if you ask them now.

So you must cut those boys when young because you know it is beneficial to them. Otherwise, if you let them grow into adulthood with the sac, fear will overcome them. They don't know the taste of honey, just like the one fed mollaces alone ever since born, he thinks nothing more is beneficial.

Deliberate infliction of pain and loss of pleasure is a must for society. Sexual pleasure and sexuality is the most powerful motivator of human action, regulating its expression is imperative.

Cut them all. Male or female. Whichever a society has chosen.

BTW, the war against 'FGM' may be having its true reason as an attempt to creating a homogeneous society globally. If it is, then it should be resisted!