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Life is short, have an affair
danas10
#21 Posted : Saturday, August 22, 2015 9:37:31 PM
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tycho wrote:
It's been a long week. But I have seen the 'powers of darkness' and I have seen humanity more clearly than before.

Life, indeed is short to the blind, and blindness leads to despair many a times.

Keeping up faith is the difficult thing.


I would have thought you have seen yourself in a different way. Maybe even more clearer than before.
tycho
#22 Posted : Sunday, August 23, 2015 11:47:56 AM
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danas10 wrote:
tycho wrote:
It's been a long week. But I have seen the 'powers of darkness' and I have seen humanity more clearly than before.

Life, indeed is short to the blind, and blindness leads to despair many a times.

Keeping up faith is the difficult thing.


I would have thought you have seen yourself in a different way. Maybe even more clearer than before.


The 'I' that is capable of seeing its self/selves in different ways, is now conscious of itself. The 'I' that's the whole of humanity, and in extension, the universe, is seeing itself.

I'm talking beyond reason and thought. Describing the 'thing in itself'.
tycho
#23 Posted : Sunday, August 23, 2015 11:55:02 AM
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Marriage, seems to be a weak attempt at love and that it has the tendency to destroy what it wishes to promote. In the first place it's predicated on the brevity of life yet it apparently shortens life further. Marriage is made of a decadent psychology.
danas10
#24 Posted : Sunday, August 23, 2015 4:21:38 PM
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tycho wrote:
Marriage, seems to be a weak attempt at love and that it has the tendency to destroy what it wishes to promote. In the first place it's predicated on the brevity of life yet it apparently shortens life further. Marriage is made of a decadent psychology.


Isn't this conclusion flawed especially because it is being made by an "I" that sees itself in totality? How much of "universal marriage" have you encountered to arrive here?

ps...am just trying to understand and yes, i (non universal) disagree with your conclusion Sad
tycho
#25 Posted : Sunday, August 23, 2015 4:47:53 PM
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danas10 wrote:
tycho wrote:
Marriage, seems to be a weak attempt at love and that it has the tendency to destroy what it wishes to promote. In the first place it's predicated on the brevity of life yet it apparently shortens life further. Marriage is made of a decadent psychology.


Isn't this conclusion flawed especially because it is being made by an "I" that sees itself in totality? How much of "universal marriage" have you encountered to arrive here?

ps...am just trying to understand and yes, i (non universal) disagree with your conclusion Sad


Lol. I'm seeing some humor here. Let me see how to make myself clear. As for 'universal marriage' I have the picture of Rev. Moon's weddings ...
danas10
#26 Posted : Sunday, August 23, 2015 7:00:35 PM
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tycho wrote:
danas10 wrote:
tycho wrote:
Marriage, seems to be a weak attempt at love and that it has the tendency to destroy what it wishes to promote. In the first place it's predicated on the brevity of life yet it apparently shortens life further. Marriage is made of a decadent psychology.


Isn't this conclusion flawed especially because it is being made by an "I" that sees itself in totality? How much of "universal marriage" have you encountered to arrive here?

ps...am just trying to understand and yes, i (non universal) disagree with your conclusion Sad


Lol. I'm seeing some humor here. Let me see how to make myself clear. As for 'universal marriage' I have the picture of Rev. Moon's weddings ...


Mhhh...I am known to have the least humor in my bones but I will let you be. I was thinking of universal diversity. So, go ahead and make yourself clear otherwise you are free to ignore my question Sad
tycho
#27 Posted : Sunday, August 23, 2015 9:28:01 PM
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danas10 wrote:
tycho wrote:
danas10 wrote:
tycho wrote:
Marriage, seems to be a weak attempt at love and that it has the tendency to destroy what it wishes to promote. In the first place it's predicated on the brevity of life yet it apparently shortens life further. Marriage is made of a decadent psychology.


Isn't this conclusion flawed especially because it is being made by an "I" that sees itself in totality? How much of "universal marriage" have you encountered to arrive here?

ps...am just trying to understand and yes, i (non universal) disagree with your conclusion Sad


Lol. I'm seeing some humor here. Let me see how to make myself clear. As for 'universal marriage' I have the picture of Rev. Moon's weddings ...


Mhhh...I am known to have the least humor in my bones but I will let you be. I was thinking of universal diversity. So, go ahead and make yourself clear otherwise you are free to ignore my question Sad


To make myself clear I'll start thus:

1. I have a problem. Despite being married, I have a propensity for affairs and I realize that the resultant is harmful to me and others

2. Change of behavior has something to do with my mind and thus it follows that to be responsible for action I need a philosophy of mind whose test is adaptive success

3. Because I'm working in a social context and ecosystems then whatever philosophy of mind I need must involve other minds and their subjectivity

4. Any patterns and characteristics common across subjective instances are objective values

5. Objective values across ecosystems imply universal values for practical purposes, and form the 'I' that's immutable. For example 'universal diversity'

6. Ethics is to be based on these objective and universal values such that what is good is what follows these principles and if I may preempt the ethical position then I dare say it's 'mutualist'

These are basically the basic assumptions of the philosophical system I'm elucidating.
tycho
#28 Posted : Monday, August 24, 2015 8:00:18 PM
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If reports that two people are dead because of this leak, then we can begin to suspect that our ethics are wanting. Humans should have mercy in plenty and real space for perfection.

http://www.theguardian.c...ides-ashley-madison-hack
danas10
#29 Posted : Wednesday, August 26, 2015 1:25:42 PM
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tycho wrote:
[tycho/quote]

To make myself clear I'll start thus:

1. I have a problem. Despite being married, I have a propensity for affairs and I realize that the resultant is harmful to me and others

2. Change of behavior has something to do with my mind and thus it follows that to be responsible for action I need a philosophy of mind whose test is adaptive success

3. Because I'm working in a social context and ecosystems then whatever philosophy of mind I need must involve other minds and their subjectivity

4. Any patterns and characteristics common across subjective instances are objective values So, assuming your subjects behave differently (in terms of affairs), which divide will form objective values?

5. Objective values across ecosystems imply universal values for practical purposes, and form the 'I' that's immutable. For example 'universal diversity'

6. Ethics is to be based on these objective and universal values such that what is good is what follows these principles and if I may preempt the ethical position then I dare say it's 'mutualist'

These are basically the basic assumptions of the philosophical system I'm elucidating.


You can engage your mind and the needed philosophy thereof to analyse any pattern of behavior (and maybe even justify it), but isn't drawing conclusions therein flawed...in this case, based on your personal experience? Hence my first "humorous" observation that your conclusion is flawed.Sad

Just my thoughts
tycho
#30 Posted : Thursday, August 27, 2015 2:11:37 PM
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In the case of different behavior for different individuals or when one individual behaves differently along a timeline we have a philosophy of mind enabled with the task of finding, testing and using objective values. For example in the philosophy of mind I'm using I can enumerate the following objective values ( allow me to qualify 'objective' to entail the acquisition of information that's uninfluenced by personal opinion to the extent of non arbitrary rejection of contrary evidence as availed by behavior);

1. The presence of a mind(s)

2. Mind contents like objects, relations, qualia, processes

3. Mind structures and models including energy and information dynamics

4. Behavior and behavior patterns and communication dynamics

Any conclusion I make is per force, an assertion of my experience and evaluation of a conclusion is done by it's results and the structure of these results with respect to my experience. Like in the case of affairs I'd evaluate my conclusions by checking for:

1. Efficacy and effectiveness- is my propensity for affairs lower? Have I reduced my affairs?

2. Efficiency- how much time is required to adapt? How much intelligence is required? What's the ease of acquiring intelligence.

3. Morality and ethics- how much does it conform to the reality of other minds?

Because this is a highly dynamic process and rationality is bounded, I dare not speak of 'flawlessness'. Intelligence is worked on at every moment. For example, the number of objects and possible relations is infinite, add the characteristic of 'information hiding' in a mind system and flaws appear all over. I look at flaws as indicative of uncertainty and chaos- space for infinite possibility.
Swenani
#31 Posted : Thursday, August 27, 2015 4:51:27 PM
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danas10 wrote:
tycho wrote:
It's been a long week. But I have seen the 'powers of darkness' and I have seen humanity more clearly than before.

Life, indeed is short to the blind, and blindness leads to despair many a times.

Keeping up faith is the difficult thing.


I would have thought you have seen yourself in a different way. Maybe even more clearer than before.


Hi Danas, whenever I see your post,I always have to search for this post....
danas10 wrote:
This morning i wore my favorite friday jeans to work. unfortunately i forgot it got torn in the middle last friday as i was climbing up the stairs at home in a rush (i shelved mending coz i was feeling lazy).


I walked thru town to the office (totally unware that my pants were torn) I only realised when i sat down and i was changing into office shoes when i saw a hole. As fate would have it, i decided to just mend it since i was alone in the office at the time (around 6.30) so i just dropped my pants half way and with needle and thread at hand, i began to sew. stupid me should have locked the door!!!!

Anyway, my male colleague (a senior jamaa) walked in 8 or so minutes into the mending (guys start streaming in at 7 so i knew i was safe)and as he was coming to say hello....there i was Brick wall Brick wall Brick wall Needless to say, i am now on my desk, i cannot work, no tea for me (we have a central place for tea and if i delay itaisha) sijui ameambia nani Sad (we only share main door but we have separate rooms so hatuonani)

i have peeped on his side and he seems busy at work, am hoping he ignored it in his mind but am so embarrased Sad Sad Sad



Life is short, have an affair
If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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#32 Posted : Thursday, August 27, 2015 8:50:29 PM
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has anybody seen .co.ke emails on that database hack. i donot trust some of u.
danas10
#33 Posted : Thursday, August 27, 2015 10:28:14 PM
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Swenani wrote:

Hi Danas...


Life is great, be happy always


Hi Swenani.
danas10
#34 Posted : Thursday, August 27, 2015 10:32:53 PM
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tycho wrote:
In the case of different behavior for different individuals or when one individual behaves differently along a timeline we have a philosophy of mind enabled with the task of finding, testing and using objective values. For example in the philosophy of mind I'm using I can enumerate the following objective values ( allow me to qualify 'objective' to entail the acquisition of information that's uninfluenced by personal opinion to the extent of non arbitrary rejection of contrary evidence as availed by behavior);

1. The presence of a mind(s)

2. Mind contents like objects, relations, qualia, processes

3. Mind structures and models including energy and information dynamics

4. Behavior and behavior patterns and communication dynamics

Any conclusion I make is per force, an assertion of my experience and evaluation of a conclusion is done by it's results and the structure of these results with respect to my experience. Like in the case of affairs I'd evaluate my conclusions by checking for:

1. Efficacy and effectiveness- is my propensity for affairs lower? Have I reduced my affairs?

2. Efficiency- how much time is required to adapt? How much intelligence is required? What's the ease of acquiring intelligence.

3. Morality and ethics- how much does it conform to the reality of other minds?

Because this is a highly dynamic process and rationality is bounded, I dare not speak of 'flawlessness'. Intelligence is worked on at every moment. For example, the number of objects and possible relations is infinite, add the characteristic of 'information hiding' in a mind system and flaws appear all over. I look at flaws as indicative of uncertainty and chaos- space for infinite possibility.


I feel lost.
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#35 Posted : Friday, August 28, 2015 7:17:45 AM
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danas10 wrote:
Swenani wrote:

Hi Danas...


Life is great, be happy always


Hi Swenani.


Shame on you Shame on you
Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.

tycho
#36 Posted : Friday, August 28, 2015 5:01:10 PM
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danas10 wrote:
tycho wrote:
In the case of different behavior for different individuals or when one individual behaves differently along a timeline we have a philosophy of mind enabled with the task of finding, testing and using objective values. For example in the philosophy of mind I'm using I can enumerate the following objective values ( allow me to qualify 'objective' to entail the acquisition of information that's uninfluenced by personal opinion to the extent of non arbitrary rejection of contrary evidence as availed by behavior);

1. The presence of a mind(s)

2. Mind contents like objects, relations, qualia, processes

3. Mind structures and models including energy and information dynamics

4. Behavior and behavior patterns and communication dynamics

Any conclusion I make is per force, an assertion of my experience and evaluation of a conclusion is done by it's results and the structure of these results with respect to my experience. Like in the case of affairs I'd evaluate my conclusions by checking for:

1. Efficacy and effectiveness- is my propensity for affairs lower? Have I reduced my affairs?

2. Efficiency- how much time is required to adapt? How much intelligence is required? What's the ease of acquiring intelligence.

3. Morality and ethics- how much does it conform to the reality of other minds?

Because this is a highly dynamic process and rationality is bounded, I dare not speak of 'flawlessness'. Intelligence is worked on at every moment. For example, the number of objects and possible relations is infinite, add the characteristic of 'information hiding' in a mind system and flaws appear all over. I look at flaws as indicative of uncertainty and chaos- space for infinite possibility.


I feel lost.


Where are you going?
Swenani
#37 Posted : Friday, August 28, 2015 5:08:39 PM
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danas10 wrote:
Swenani wrote:

Hi Danas...


Life is great, be happy always


Hi Swenani.

Hi Danas, Today is a great Friday
If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
danas10
#38 Posted : Friday, August 28, 2015 11:13:21 PM
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tycho wrote:
danas10 wrote:
tycho wrote:
In the case of different behavior for different individuals or when one individual behaves differently along a timeline we have a philosophy of mind enabled with the task of finding, testing and using objective values. For example in the philosophy of mind I'm using I can enumerate the following objective values ( allow me to qualify 'objective' to entail the acquisition of information that's uninfluenced by personal opinion to the extent of non arbitrary rejection of contrary evidence as availed by behavior);

1. The presence of a mind(s)

2. Mind contents like objects, relations, qualia, processes

3. Mind structures and models including energy and information dynamics

4. Behavior and behavior patterns and communication dynamics

Any conclusion I make is per force, an assertion of my experience and evaluation of a conclusion is done by it's results and the structure of these results with respect to my experience. Like in the case of affairs I'd evaluate my conclusions by checking for:

1. Efficacy and effectiveness- is my propensity for affairs lower? Have I reduced my affairs?

2. Efficiency- how much time is required to adapt? How much intelligence is required? What's the ease of acquiring intelligence.

3. Morality and ethics- how much does it conform to the reality of other minds?

Because this is a highly dynamic process and rationality is bounded, I dare not speak of 'flawlessness'. Intelligence is worked on at every moment. For example, the number of objects and possible relations is infinite, add the characteristic of 'information hiding' in a mind system and flaws appear all over. I look at flaws as indicative of uncertainty and chaos- space for infinite possibility.


I feel lost.


Where are you going?


I am not moving...just whirling.
tycho
#39 Posted : Sunday, August 30, 2015 2:31:00 AM
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danas10 wrote:
tycho wrote:
danas10 wrote:
tycho wrote:
In the case of different behavior for different individuals or when one individual behaves differently along a timeline we have a philosophy of mind enabled with the task of finding, testing and using objective values. For example in the philosophy of mind I'm using I can enumerate the following objective values ( allow me to qualify 'objective' to entail the acquisition of information that's uninfluenced by personal opinion to the extent of non arbitrary rejection of contrary evidence as availed by behavior);

1. The presence of a mind(s)

2. Mind contents like objects, relations, qualia, processes

3. Mind structures and models including energy and information dynamics

4. Behavior and behavior patterns and communication dynamics

Any conclusion I make is per force, an assertion of my experience and evaluation of a conclusion is done by it's results and the structure of these results with respect to my experience. Like in the case of affairs I'd evaluate my conclusions by checking for:

1. Efficacy and effectiveness- is my propensity for affairs lower? Have I reduced my affairs?

2. Efficiency- how much time is required to adapt? How much intelligence is required? What's the ease of acquiring intelligence.

3. Morality and ethics- how much does it conform to the reality of other minds?

Because this is a highly dynamic process and rationality is bounded, I dare not speak of 'flawlessness'. Intelligence is worked on at every moment. For example, the number of objects and possible relations is infinite, add the characteristic of 'information hiding' in a mind system and flaws appear all over. I look at flaws as indicative of uncertainty and chaos- space for infinite possibility.


I feel lost.


Where are you going?


I am not moving...just whirling.


Whirling is moving. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sufi_whirling
danas10
#40 Posted : Sunday, August 30, 2015 5:42:26 PM
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tycho wrote:
danas10 wrote:
tycho wrote:
danas10 wrote:

I feel lost.


Where are you going?


I am not moving...just whirling.


Whirling is moving. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sufi_whirling


Aptly so, and in repetitive circles. So how would I say where I am going? My hapless tunes include personal experience, opinion, behavior hence conclusion.
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