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Alba
#11 Posted : Friday, June 12, 2015 3:20:08 PM
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Dawkins is very delusional in certain areas, especially with his views about how science disproves religion.
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Lolest!
#12 Posted : Friday, June 12, 2015 4:31:20 PM
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Muriel wrote:
The Dawkinses of this world are woe #2.

I have always wondered at the over supply of anti-christian atheism as compared to anti-islam atheism.

I have come to the realisation that atheism and islam are two sides of the same coin.

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Muheani
#13 Posted : Friday, June 12, 2015 7:29:30 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
Muriel wrote:
The Dawkinses of this world are woe #2.

I have always wondered at the over supply of anti-christian atheism as compared to anti-islam atheism.

I have come to the realisation that atheism and islam are two sides of the same coin.

smile


Sasa hiyo ndio kurusha mawe borithi
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masukuma
#14 Posted : Friday, June 12, 2015 8:55:07 PM
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Muriel wrote:
The Dawkinses of this world are woe #2.

I have always wondered at the over supply of anti-christian atheism as compared to anti-islam atheism.

I have come to the realisation that atheism and islam are two sides of the same coin.

to be fair... "development" creates the most atheists and thus most atheists grow up in countries that have been traditionally christian environments also known as western countries - it's natural to attack that which you see everyday in your face or were taught and not some distant thing like shintoism or buddism or african traditional religion. I would love to listen in on jewish atheists (although judaism like islam is more like a way of life)
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#15 Posted : Monday, June 15, 2015 10:49:00 PM
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tycho wrote:
Swenani wrote:
tycho wrote:
The other day I visited a friend and found 'The God delusion' in one of his shelves. I sat down and read it and at the end of the day, I wondered why some people rated the book so highly.

Now am seeing this comment from one of Dawkins' friends:

“His treatment of philosophical ideas in The God Delusion is frequently funny and certainly good journalism,” Ruse said, “but to put it politely it is deeply uninformed.”

This article has given me a glimpse of Dawkins' life, and I wonder if this issue of atheism/theism isn't just a game people play to structure their time meaningfully while chest thumping.

http://www.theguardian.c...stroying-his-reputation



tycho wrote:
I use wazua to allay my fears. And in my estimation my fears are a result of expectation and experience being at odds. It becomes easy for me to use this forum to deny, question, even ridicule another's experience and expectation just to affirm my secret wishes.

Wazua is used as a conning implement when it's a propaganda 'machine'.



I like your thinking on this. I had similar thoughts while starting the thread.

But there's a puzzle I'm trying to resolve: Let me call it the puzzle of optimal relation. That is, if one can stop conning him/herself, how can she/he relate with others who are probably conning themselves?

Or to put it in another way, what's there to say?


What's there to listen to?
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Muriel
#16 Posted : Tuesday, June 16, 2015 9:12:19 AM
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¿ wrote:
Muriel wrote:

Swenani, brother, since Tuesday I have been waiting for your follow up question in vain.

I had anticipated you would ask me what the other concept is.

I would have answered not necessarily 'christianity' as is commonly taken by the man on the street, but 'the great controversy in which there is no hope for redemption for and by oneself'.


Does the self condemn or accept condemnation?


It is capable.
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#17 Posted : Tuesday, June 16, 2015 9:29:34 AM
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Muriel wrote:
¿ wrote:
Muriel wrote:

Swenani, brother, since Tuesday I have been waiting for your follow up question in vain.

I had anticipated you would ask me what the other concept is.

I would have answered not necessarily 'christianity' as is commonly taken by the man on the street, but 'the great controversy in which there is no hope for redemption for and by oneself'.


Does the self condemn or accept condemnation?


It is capable.


If the self can condemn itself,it is possible it can redeem itself and if it accepts external condemnation then it can just as easily reject or ignore this foreign concept. Either way, there is hope.
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Muriel
#18 Posted : Tuesday, June 16, 2015 9:55:14 AM
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masukuma wrote:
Muriel wrote:
The Dawkinses of this world are woe #2.

I have always wondered at the over supply of anti-christian atheism as compared to anti-islam atheism.

I have come to the realisation that atheism and islam are two sides of the same coin.

to be fair... "development" creates the most atheists and thus most atheists grow up in countries that have been traditionally christian environments also known as western countries - it's natural to attack that which you see everyday in your face or were taught and not some distant thing like shintoism or buddism or african traditional religion. I would love to listen in on jewish atheists (although judaism like islam is more like a way of life)


I like the point that you have linked 'development' to 'christian environments'.

But as a counter, certain Middle Eastern countries are comparably 'developed' as Western countries, e.g. S. Arabia, Qatar etc. It is yet to be documented the rise of 'attacking that which is seen everyday in ones face or taught.

Hence the link between atheism and 'development' is fictional. 'Development' does not create atheists. Something else does.
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Muriel
#19 Posted : Tuesday, June 16, 2015 10:11:22 AM
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¿ wrote:
Muriel wrote:
¿ wrote:
Muriel wrote:

Swenani, brother, since Tuesday I have been waiting for your follow up question in vain.

I had anticipated you would ask me what the other concept is.

I would have answered not necessarily 'christianity' as is commonly taken by the man on the street, but 'the great controversy in which there is no hope for redemption for and by oneself'.


Does the self condemn or accept condemnation?


It is capable.


If the self can condemn itself,it is possible it can redeem itself and if it accepts external condemnation then it can just as easily reject or ignore this foreign concept. Either way, there is hope.


It is a long leap, from self condemnation to self redemption. How sure are you of its landing? It could be capable of just self condemnation, nothing more.

Meanwhile, it is true that it can accept or ignore an external condemnation - and move on.
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Muriel
#20 Posted : Tuesday, June 16, 2015 10:26:24 AM
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Muheani wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
Muriel wrote:
The Dawkinses of this world are woe #2.

I have always wondered at the over supply of anti-christian atheism as compared to anti-islam atheism.

I have come to the realisation that atheism and islam are two sides of the same coin.

smile


Sasa hiyo ndio kurusha mawe borithi


smile
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