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alma
#21 Posted : Saturday, April 04, 2015 12:50:31 PM
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Oh come on here we go again.

The religious bigots on show. Ati you won't go to the conference because muslims killed christians.

That's a nice headline.

If you believe that, then the terrorists have worked a number on you. And you trully need to change your friends.

Infact, in psychology, you too will have the same propensity to kill humans because your damn religion was "attacked".

Muslims died in Garissa. Christians died too. Christians were shot in Garissa, Muslims too.

Christians and Muslims and any human being who's got a pea brain was pissed off.

Let the conference go on and be attended by people with a brain.

I have first hand information from some guys who were hidden by muslims in their homes. First hand information about some Muslim women who pleaded with these mad men not to kill anyone.

Get a grip in your life. Don't be stupid.

Al Shabaab has killed more muslims than they will ever kill Kenyan christians. ISIS has even burned a Muslim alive.

This country is one. Next you will be telling me to only love my clan.
Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
tycho
#22 Posted : Saturday, April 04, 2015 12:53:56 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
Annual Islamic Conference - Don't be sad, Indeed Allah Is with us.

4th - 6th Apr 2015 KICC, Nairobi, Kenya
<-> Free entry for non-Muslims
<-> Entry sh1000 for Muslims.

Speakers:
- Sh. Saeed Rageah
- Sh. Adil Kalbani
- Dr. Adil Al Qarni
- Sh. Abdulraheem McCarthy
- Sh. Boonaa Mohamed
- Prof. Awach Binhazim
- Sh. Wasim Kimpson
- Sh. Yosha Evans
- sh. Yahya Abu Sunaya

Come one, come all! Yu can ask all your questions!


What's this conference about?

THEME: DON'T BE SAD, INDEED ALLAH IS WITH US



Am looking at some pictures from Thursday's massacre, and am wondering how this theme is consoling the Muslim and/or non Muslim.

@tycho it's quite sad what happened on Thur. As you can attest, this conference was planned way early several months before with that theme. If you are saying this theme is in response to what happened two days ago on Thu, then you're being dishonest.


Okay, am not saying that the conference is a reaction to the massacre.

And besides, this is not the first incidence that can be related to the theme. Certainly the theme needs to be relevant.
alma
#23 Posted : Saturday, April 04, 2015 1:13:24 PM
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Tycho

Do some PR please or even hire the PSCU hashtag squad.

There has to be a day of talking about Islam and taking of kafir's lives.

Otherwise, this conference will be just another upus conference of stuck up muslims who don't realise that the name of Islam is at stake.

Preparing for the hereafter is not something that the common non-muslim wants to hear about.

Change the topics please.

Islam is at war with itself and Kenyans are dying.
Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
AlphDoti
#24 Posted : Saturday, April 04, 2015 2:23:19 PM
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@tycho, you're right a talk must have a relevant theme. However, this conference was planned way long before, several months actually. It was not planned this week. You can even see I posted the advert weeks ago.

Anyway as Sheikh Ragaeh said this conference is a Journey of faith. Our faith is based on mutual respect towards others. Our prophets had neighbours who were Jews, who were non-Muslims. We want to relive his legacy, regardless of what other people say, what labels have been labelled. We want to show to the rest of the world that Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus all of those they came preaching peace.

This conference is talking about how we can love our prophet, respect his tradition, learn about him. It is a fact that a lot of Muslims themselves are not educated about Islam. And sometimes the action of a Muslim may be understood as that action is part of his faith. Yet in reality, this is coming from his ignorance or lack of understanding or cultural background.

From this conference, we have speakers from different background. They understand the culture and mindset of the people. We have speakers from local and from UK, US... It is a peaceful dialogue, no arguing... anybody can ask a question. You are welcome to come.

It is very sad seeing people killing others... we should be living in peace. So this conference will touch on that too.
washiku
#25 Posted : Saturday, April 04, 2015 2:34:31 PM
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Quote:
THEME: DON'T BE SAD, INDEED ALLAH IS WITH US


Very timely theme for our country. You guys pray hard for this Nation. I never want to lose hope on it, yet circumstances are sometimes very tempting towards that direction.
mawinder
#26 Posted : Saturday, April 04, 2015 3:14:43 PM
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washiku wrote:
Quote:
THEME: DON'T BE SAD, INDEED ALLAH IS WITH US


Very timely theme for our country. You guys pray hard for this Nation. I never want to lose hope on it, yet circumstances are sometimes very tempting towards that direction.

After they have killed Christians.They planned that conference and theme knowing they will attack Garissa.Very bad people.I wonder what can be done to Jamia mosque as an example.
Muriel
#27 Posted : Sunday, April 05, 2015 9:04:27 PM
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mawinder wrote:
Will they allow pets like pigs and dogs????


A bag in which someone can carry a note book has a drawing of mohammed hugging a piglet.

Will it be ok to go with it?
Muriel
#28 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2015 1:03:58 PM
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Will there be pork smokies even the ones sold by hawkers to munch as one listens to the presentations?

Can one supply them to interested folk attending the conference given it's not an exclusive event?
mawinder
#29 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2015 3:28:52 PM
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Muriel wrote:
Will there be pork smokies even the ones sold by hawkers to munch as one listens to the presentations?

Can one supply them to interested folk attending the conference given it's not an exclusive event?

Unfortunately the organizer Is busy on his workplan as his leave is over and may not answer you.
Mukiri
#30 Posted : Monday, April 06, 2015 7:56:17 PM
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God forbid if a bunch of guys, walked into this conference and killed 147*... people, placed the bodies of alkebab boys, which RECCE would take credit for eliminating. And have alkebab claim responsibility.

It would be very bad.

Proverbs 19:21
Muriel
#31 Posted : Tuesday, April 07, 2015 8:09:33 AM
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Mukiri wrote:
God forbid if a bunch of guys, walked into this conference and killed 147*... people, placed the bodies of alkebab boys, which RECCE would take credit for eliminating. And have alkebab claim responsibility.

It would be very bad.


America and CIA will be blamed and videos posted showing why.
SHOCO
#32 Posted : Wednesday, April 08, 2015 2:05:02 AM
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Alpha ,

Am not available for the conference but would have loved to get a clarification on the questions below from the sheiks,

1.Can a Muslim willingly leave Islam?What are the consequences if any?



2.If the hijab is to protect a woman from receiving undue attention from males because of her hair.Why have toddlers and old women wear them?



3.Am certain,according to Islam,Allah is perfect.If a pious muslim dies in jihad(martyr) and his body is dismembered.How will he enjoy paradise?Considering he/she was created by Allah(perfect in all His ways).Perfection requires one not to repeat actions...I think He is incapacitated in giving the martyr a new body.
Muriel
#33 Posted : Wednesday, April 08, 2015 10:16:49 AM
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SHOCO wrote:
Alpha ,

Am not available for the conference but would have loved to get a clarification on the questions below from the sheiks,

1.Can a Muslim willingly leave Islam?What are the consequences if any?



2.If the hijab is to protect a woman from receiving undue attention from males because of her hair.Why have toddlers and old women wear them?



3.Am certain,according to Islam,Allah is perfect.If a pious muslim dies in jihad(martyr) and his body is dismembered.How will he enjoy paradise?Considering he/she was created by Allah(perfect in all His ways).Perfection requires one not to repeat actions...I think He is incapacitated in giving the martyr a new body.


I joked till the conference was over. I regret.

I should have asked more serious questions as Shoco is and be more serious.
AlphDoti
#34 Posted : Wednesday, April 08, 2015 4:39:05 PM
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SHOCO wrote:
Alpha ,

Am not available for the conference but would have loved to get a clarification on the questions below from the sheiks,

1.Can a Muslim willingly leave Islam?What are the consequences if any?

2.If the hijab is to protect a woman from receiving undue attention from males because of her hair.Why have toddlers and old women wear them?

3.Am certain,according to Islam,Allah is perfect.If a pious muslim dies in jihad(martyr) and his body is dismembered.How will he enjoy paradise?Considering he/she was created by Allah(perfect in all His ways).Perfection requires one not to repeat actions...I think He is incapacitated in giving the martyr a new body.

@shoco, these are very good questions, I wish you had come to the conference and ask for everyone to benefit. But I'm happy when you ask me about my religion.

1. Your first question is what if someone wants to come out of Islam? Now, the Quran clearly mentions in sura Baqarah ch 2 verse 256: "There is no compulsion in religion. Truth stands out from error"

So when someones wants to convert from Islam to any other religion, fine. In the hereafter, he will be among the losers.

But as far as death penalty is concerned, only if that person after converting if he propagates new faith and speaks against Islam, then the penalty is there. This is the same law, similar law in most countries including Kenya. There is something called apostasy Kenya. Also in America.

NOTE: the answers for the other questions are coming.
nakujua
#35 Posted : Wednesday, April 08, 2015 4:53:41 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
SHOCO wrote:
Alpha ,

Am not available for the conference but would have loved to get a clarification on the questions below from the sheiks,

1.Can a Muslim willingly leave Islam?What are the consequences if any?

2.If the hijab is to protect a woman from receiving undue attention from males because of her hair.Why have toddlers and old women wear them?

3.Am certain,according to Islam,Allah is perfect.If a pious muslim dies in jihad(martyr) and his body is dismembered.How will he enjoy paradise?Considering he/she was created by Allah(perfect in all His ways).Perfection requires one not to repeat actions...I think He is incapacitated in giving the martyr a new body.

@shoco, these are very good questions, I wish you had come to the conference and ask for everyone to benefit. But I'm happy when you ask me about my religion.

1. Your first question is what if someone wants to come out of Islam? Now, the Quran clearly mentions in sura Baqarah ch 2 verse 256: "There is no compulsion in religion. Truth stands out from error"

So when someones wants to convert from Islam to any other religion, fine. In the hereafter, he will be among the losers.

But as far as death penalty is concerned, only if that person after converting if he propagates new faith and speaks against Islam, then the penalty is there. This is the same law, similar law in most countries including Kenya. There is something called apostasy Kenya. Also in America.

NOTE: the answers for the other questions are coming.

waa!!! You mean if i denounce my kenyan citizenship and then speak against kenya i will get the capital punishment. thats awful.
AlphDoti
#36 Posted : Wednesday, April 08, 2015 4:55:04 PM
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SHOCO wrote:
Alpha ,

Am not available for the conference but would have loved to get a clarification on the questions below from the sheiks,

1. Can a Muslim willingly leave Islam?What are the consequences if any?

2. If the hijab is to protect a woman from receiving undue attention from males because of her hair.Why have toddlers and old women wear them?

3. Am certain,according to Islam,Allah is perfect.If a pious muslim dies in jihad(martyr) and his body is dismembered.How will he enjoy paradise?Considering he/she was created by Allah(perfect in all His ways).Perfection requires one not to repeat actions...I think He is incapacitated in giving the martyr a new body.

2. Your second question was, "Why have toddlers and old women wear hijab?"

You're not alone, many do not understand. Simple answer is, because they are Muslim women. The verse does not say young women alone. So read my response below very carefully.

There ARE MANY REASONS (not one as you have stated) why Muslim women wear hijab on their heads. The Quran 33:59 say why women cover their hair.

Reason One: "to identify themselves as being Muslim, that they would be recognized.".
The scarf is act of truthfulness, so that everybody would know that they are Muslim women and they are proud of being Muslim women. The scarf say more: it tells everyone who sees the Muslim woman that the woman standing before them is a woman of enormous courage and integrity. This woman will not lie, she will not cheat, she not deceive. That you can trust her. And it is a warning: that what stands before you is a woman who knows her worth, she knows her values, she is not a toy. So don't even try with her. That this is a woman you take serious. So the hijab identifies her as mulsim woman. This applies to all women: both young and old.

Reason Two: The verse goes further and explains the other reason: "you will not be molested (so as not to be annoyed)."
Please do not misunderstand molested to mean rape. It has nothing to do with rape. Actually, rape has nothing to do with sexual attraction. Rape is an act of violence and hate and domination. It is a fact even old women get raped. No matter what you wear, because it has nothing to do with sex, they are not turned on, they are filled with hate. That is where rape comes from.

When the verse speaks about protection, protection comes from your attitude. What is called an Islamic attitude. So because the Muslim woman knows what Allah has said about her. I'm not a toy, I'm true, I'm honest, you can trust me. So she takes her attitude and lets the people know. So you don't go past this point with her.

Toddlers


Young women


Older women




AlphDoti
#37 Posted : Wednesday, April 08, 2015 6:48:06 PM
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SHOCO wrote:
Alpha ,

Am not available for the conference but would have loved to get a clarification on the questions below from the sheiks,

1.Can a Muslim willingly leave Islam?What are the consequences if any?

2.If the hijab is to protect a woman from receiving undue attention from males because of her hair.Why have toddlers and old women wear them?

3.Am certain,according to Islam,Allah is perfect.If a pious muslim dies in jihad(martyr) and his body is dismembered.How will he enjoy paradise?Considering he/she was created by Allah(perfect in all His ways).Perfection requires one not to repeat actions...I think He is incapacitated in giving the martyr a new body.

3. Your third questions, you say "you think Allah will not be able to give the martyr a new body" on the Day of Resurrection(Judgement Day).

First, I would like to correct you: it is Islamic belief that everybody was created by Allah. Everybody, you and me.

Secondly, @shoco, do you think, that human beings that have the ability to take a piece of earth, did it up, irrigate it, put down seed, plant crop, the crop comes up, they harvest the crop, then after that what happen? They cut it down, dig it up again, put new seeds, then what happens after that? The crop comes back up again. What happens in the winter? All leaves fall of the trees and the earth goes dead. What happens in the spring time? The water comes, generates the earth again, germinates all over again, new grass, new leaves, new flowers, new fruits!
So Allah says in the Quran "And a sign for them (disbelievers) is the dead earth, after that We give it life, then you eat the fruits from that".

Allah says the one who gave you life in the beginning, is He not able to give life all over again in order to judge you?

Yes! Certainly. You may want to deny, because you don't want to die.

So @shoco, there is a reason for humans to go inside the grave. If the Creator wanted, he could have called us to live, and then disappear into the atmosphere. But he didn't. He calls us to go into another WOMB called the TOMB. We all start out in the WOMB of your mother and we wind up in the WOMB of the earth called the TOMB. From the WOMB to the TOMB. This is the whole trip.

So this is what you have to think about. That grave is going to be a place of DRAMA and TREMOR, a place where you will be questioned before you are resurrected.

We Muslims say the below prayer/dua:
O Allah! Let our last days be the best days of our life, and our last deeds be the best deeds. And the best day, the day we meet you. Ameen.
SHOCO
#38 Posted : Thursday, April 09, 2015 3:30:41 AM
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@shoco, these are very good questions, I wish you had come to the conference and ask for everyone to benefit. But I'm happy when you ask me about my religion.


sorry I did not check the dates of the conference.
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1. Your first question is what if someone wants to come out of Islam? Now, the Quran clearly mentions in sura Baqarah ch 2 verse 256: "There is no compulsion in religion. Truth stands out from error"

So when someones wants to convert from Islam to any other religion, fine. In the hereafter, he will be among the losers.

But as far as death penalty is concerned, only if that person after converting if he propagates new faith and speaks against Islam, then the penalty is there. This is the same law, similar law in most countries including Kenya. There is something called apostasy Kenya. Also in America.



Kindly give examples who have left Islam without being targeted.
Give instances of the laws in Kenya and US which forbid apostasy.


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There ARE MANY REASONS (not one as you have stated) why Muslim women wear hijab on their heads. The Quran 33:59 say why women cover their hair.



I recognise reason 1 as valid ,that veils are worn for religious identification just as you have shown Mother Teresa.Mother Teresa could not have worn just any attire,She had to wear that as part of her religious outfits.

Reason 2 is not objective in the sense that ,it would be universally accepted accross all faiths ,that a woman in veil is not to be molested.
The sight of hair does not necessary invoke sexual feelings

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Allah says the one who gave you life in the beginning, is He not able to give life all over again in order to judge you?



This is the crux of the matter.If Allah gave someone life in the beginning.This life must be perfect because Allah is perfect in creation.A perfect being cannot repeat actions (He cannot do things all over again)otherwise His perfection here is compromised.
He also is incapable of judging his own creation.He was supposed to create perfect beings in the first place.

A perfect Being becoming a judge of His own creation is an oxymoron.
Its like saying I can have my cake and eat it .at the same time.

Think about it carefully.
AlphDoti
#39 Posted : Thursday, April 09, 2015 12:20:00 PM
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SHOCO wrote:
Alphdoti wrote:
There ARE MANY REASONS (not one as you have stated) why Muslim women wear hijab on their heads. The Quran 33:59 say why women cover their hair.

I recognise reason 1 as valid ,that veils are worn for religious identification just as you have shown Mother Teresa.Mother Teresa could not have worn just any attire,She had to wear that as part of her religious outfits.

Reason 2 is not objective in the sense that ,it would be universally accepted accross all faiths ,that a woman in veil is not to be molested.
The sight of hair does not necessary invoke sexual feelings

I'm glad you accepted one reason although I can see why. It's because of Mother Theresa, otherwise you would still argue about it. Anyway there are many reasons and not every reason is acceptable to everyone. The Creator Himself knows our benefit, but human being has to argue.

As for second reason, I realized you like to use the word "molested". That is not the only meaning, that verse also means "so as not to be annoyed". As I said earlier, and experts have confirmed, rape has nothing to do with sexual attraction. Rape is an act of violence and hate and domination. It is a fact even old women get raped. No matter what you wear, because it has nothing to do with sex, they are not turned on, they are filled with hate. That is where rape comes from.

When the verse speaks about protection, protection comes from your attitude. So because the Muslim woman (or Mother Theresa) knows what Allah has said about her. She will not accept that. That's her attitude.
And that attitude makes everyone notice. So when the Muslim woman (or any other woman from other faiths wearing hijab like Mother Theresa) walks into a shopping center, everyone rushes to open the doors for her, she respects it. She walks into a room where they are telling stories and they stop, because they know I won't tolerate it. So she has the Islamic attitude that lets people know what to expect from her. At the same time anyone who has trouble knows they can go to her and talk to her about her problems and that their problems will be safe and secure. And the guidance they get is the best guidance.

So the little thing, it sounds like little thing, but it adds the difference in the life of woman. People think it is horrible, but it is not horrible.
AlphDoti
#40 Posted : Thursday, April 09, 2015 12:56:11 PM
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SHOCO wrote:
alphdoti wrote:
1. Your first question is what if someone wants to come out of Islam? Now, the Quran clearly mentions in sura Baqarah ch 2 verse 256: "There is no compulsion in religion. Truth stands out from error"

So when someones wants to convert from Islam to any other religion, fine. In the hereafter, he will be among the losers.

But as far as death penalty is concerned, only if that person after converting if he propagates new faith and speaks against Islam, then the penalty is there. This is the same law, similar law in most countries including Kenya. There is something called apostasy Kenya. Also in America.

Kindly give examples who have left Islam without being targeted.
Give instances of the laws in Kenya and US which forbid apostasy.

I cannot give examples because I'm not custodian of such records. My role is to explain the concept.
I cannot give instance of the law in Kenya or America, but yes! It is called TREASON.

In Kenya, if supposed someone sells the secrets of the country to an enemy, even if what he is selling may be the truth, he may have blue prints, then some country will give death penalty, some country will give life in prison. even though the is speaking the truth. So every country has its law.

So what you have to realize, in an Islamic country following Islamic law, and in that country such execution takes place, only if that person after converting if he propagates new faith and speaks against Islam, then the penalty is there. Similarly, like in America if someone sells secrets of the country, he will be put to death. Similarly to APOSTACY, this is the law of the country, when the country is based on the law of religion.

And this is not a new law, it has always been there. In fact, ae already discussed this topic in detail here
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