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ARM Cement FY 2014 earnings up only 9.8%
VituVingiSana
#21 Posted : Thursday, October 15, 2015 1:56:29 AM
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murchr wrote:
hisah wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
@hisah.
1. What does it mean by unrealized exchange losses? Is it a paper loss or a real loss and when will it be realised?

2. About the strike price, will new shares need to be issued, or have they already been issued? Does it also mean that until the share reaches 53.80 (1$= 103 Kes) that the debt can't be converted? Or can the company be forced to pay the difference to convert the debt into shares?

I'm getting interested as price tanks, hence the many questions.

I can't recall all the details, but it may have been structured like that of TCL i.e. payable in 2016. I think the Nigerian firm (bond holder)was to get 13% shareholding and a board seat. Forex losses if I'm not wrong are still paper losses.

Not sure if the new shares are already issued. I think it'll depended on the debt being converted to equity at maturity.

But I'm sure by 2018 ARM will have rebounded from this market smackdown. The magic number is 54 for the conversion.


If they for instant borrowed $1M which was kes 85 back then, but they now have to pay $1M+interest when the $ is trading at 105 how is that paper loss?
If the loan is due in Oct 2015, then the loss has crystallized because it has to be paid. If the loan is due in 2018, then it is a paper loss until it crystalizes aka paid.
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obiero
#22 Posted : Wednesday, November 18, 2015 7:03:43 AM
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murchr wrote:
hisah wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
@hisah.
1. What does it mean by unrealized exchange losses? Is it a paper loss or a real loss and when will it be realised?

2. About the strike price, will new shares need to be issued, or have they already been issued? Does it also mean that until the share reaches 53.80 (1$= 103 Kes) that the debt can't be converted? Or can the company be forced to pay the difference to convert the debt into shares?

I'm getting interested as price tanks, hence the many questions.

I can't recall all the details, but it may have been structured like that of TCL i.e. payable in 2016. I think the Nigerian firm (bond holder)was to get 13% shareholding and a board seat. Forex losses if I'm not wrong are still paper losses.

Not sure if the new shares are already issued. I think it'll depended on the debt being converted to equity at maturity.

But I'm sure by 2018 ARM will have rebounded from this market smackdown. The magic number is 54 for the conversion.


If they for instant borrowed $1M which was kes 85 back then, but they now have to pay $1M+interest when the $ is trading at 105 how is that paper loss?

From your example, the immediate payment will be real loss, but annualized payments shall be paper loss since the FX high position can retract

HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
obiero
#23 Posted : Friday, November 27, 2015 4:33:37 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
Pesa Nane wrote:
obiero wrote:
this share

what about it elder @obiero?

It has killed peoples money as @hisah has elaborated. Bloody murder.. It doesnt make sense for it to be trading at 30s while it increased profitability and is bound to continue doing so based on increased construction activity in E.A

Lots of debt on its books. That level of debt [some of it USD] makes folks nervous. Unlike KQ, its EBITDA is positive but loan servicing takes a huge chunk out of gross profit. The demand for cement is growing but so is competition & this has reduced margins.

A good buy at lower prices which reflect a lower EPS thus a more reasonable PER.

A good buy at which lower prices?? :)

HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
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