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symbols wrote:tycho wrote:symbols wrote:I thought you were talking about the objectives of the program.
Why define it as a super mind or metapsychology?
I agree the reflective space has been expanded but that could also affect the attention span. Because all programmers are programed. It is programing itself, that's why these studies are recent. Any program is to optimize itself. That's what the super mind wants. It's always been there. What we see is a reflection. Of the super mind. Being programmed doesn't mean you have the same program or the same responses.But considering what you've said above,then that would mean it's all part of the super mind's plan to optimize itself.For what reason? To be and become. The purpose of life is life.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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The science is mathematics. The mathematics of social networks. Influencing thresholds and turning points, distribution and scheduling. Ordering and semantics.
But art has a crucial role. Science and art intertwined. Live social networks.
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Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Social networks are a powerful tool. They are a resource. The new field for Revolution and counter-revolt. If they are a tool then I am glad I am not the raw material. I think we are all raw materials now. I had a scary experience of this the other day. I was searching for a running belt on Amazon. I didn't buy. But since then Facebook has been advertising running belts on my FB page. I have never, to my knowledge, linked the two pages. Privacy today is as dead as the dodo. "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Wakanyugi wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Social networks are a powerful tool. They are a resource. The new field for Revolution and counter-revolt. If they are a tool then I am glad I am not the raw material. I think we are all raw materials now. I had a scary experience of this the other day. I was searching for a running belt on Amazon. I didn't buy. But since then Facebook has been advertising running belts on my FB page. I have never, to my knowledge, linked the two pages. Privacy today is as dead as the dodo. Is the cost of privacy greater than the benefits? Effect on morality? Now we are raw materials, producers, and consumers at the same time.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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tycho wrote:symbols wrote:tycho wrote:symbols wrote:I thought you were talking about the objectives of the program.
Why define it as a super mind or metapsychology?
I agree the reflective space has been expanded but that could also affect the attention span. Because all programmers are programed. It is programing itself, that's why these studies are recent. Any program is to optimize itself. That's what the super mind wants. It's always been there. What we see is a reflection. Of the super mind. Being programmed doesn't mean you have the same program or the same responses.But considering what you've said above,then that would mean it's all part of the super mind's plan to optimize itself.For what reason? To be and become. The purpose of life is life. The purpose of life is life.What does that mean?To be life and become life?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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tycho wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Social networks are a powerful tool. They are a resource. The new field for Revolution and counter-revolt. If they are a tool then I am glad I am not the raw material. I think we are all raw materials now. I had a scary experience of this the other day. I was searching for a running belt on Amazon. I didn't buy. But since then Facebook has been advertising running belts on my FB page. I have never, to my knowledge, linked the two pages. Privacy today is as dead as the dodo. Is the cost of privacy greater than the benefits? Effect on morality? Now we are raw materials, producers, and consumers at the same time. What are the benefits?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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tycho wrote:The science is mathematics. The mathematics of social networks. Influencing thresholds and turning points, distribution and scheduling. Ordering and semantics.
But art has a crucial role. Science and art intertwined. Live social networks. What would the music be without sounds
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Wakanyugi wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Social networks are a powerful tool. They are a resource. The new field for Revolution and counter-revolt. If they are a tool then I am glad I am not the raw material. I think we are all raw materials now. I had a scary experience of this the other day. I was searching for a running belt on Amazon. I didn't buy. But since then Facebook has been advertising running belts on my FB page. I have never, to my knowledge, linked the two pages. Privacy today is as dead as the dodo. To me, that it is you who did go looking for the running belt first proves to me that you were not the raw material there. You took the initiative. On the other hand, if first you saw the running belt on "facebook" (How I detest it!) then decided you want it and went to Amazon you would then be a raw material ready for "processing". I have not "linked" anything anywhere and I have a bunch of pro privacy addons hence my dodo is still alive today.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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symbols wrote:tycho wrote:symbols wrote:tycho wrote:symbols wrote:I thought you were talking about the objectives of the program.
Why define it as a super mind or metapsychology?
I agree the reflective space has been expanded but that could also affect the attention span. Because all programmers are programed. It is programing itself, that's why these studies are recent. Any program is to optimize itself. That's what the super mind wants. It's always been there. What we see is a reflection. Of the super mind. Being programmed doesn't mean you have the same program or the same responses.But considering what you've said above,then that would mean it's all part of the super mind's plan to optimize itself.For what reason? To be and become. The purpose of life is life. The purpose of life is life.What does that mean?To be life and become life? Yes. To be. And being is organizing and disorganizing. Why disorganize to organize? Because the cost of not disorganizing is greater than the benefits. To enjoy more benefits, one embraces chaos. The direction is life in itself. Energy. Power. Intelligence. Language. Privacy, is about how we know, and understand what we don't know. Cover is for insufficiency before the it. A consolation of the mind. Music has sound, light, kinesthetic sense, and other 'characteristics' whose perception is of a different kind from normal human perception.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Muriel wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Social networks are a powerful tool. They are a resource. The new field for Revolution and counter-revolt. If they are a tool then I am glad I am not the raw material. I think we are all raw materials now. I had a scary experience of this the other day. I was searching for a running belt on Amazon. I didn't buy. But since then Facebook has been advertising running belts on my FB page. I have never, to my knowledge, linked the two pages. Privacy today is as dead as the dodo. To me, that it is you who did go looking for the running belt first proves to me that you were not the raw material there. You took the initiative. On the other hand, if first you saw the running belt on "facebook" (How I detest it!) then decided you want it and went to Amazon you would then be a raw material ready for "processing". I have not "linked" anything anywhere and I have a bunch of pro privacy addons hence my dodo is still alive today. Why is it not, that the running belt manufacturer prompted @Wakanyugi to check for it at amazon? The social network isn't linear, and ordered. The individual orders it for himself. An illustration is best seen in graph theory. You can analyze a path from any node(point) and go through all points and back to it. The same for each point.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/3/2007 Posts: 1,635
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tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Social networks are a powerful tool. They are a resource. The new field for Revolution and counter-revolt. If they are a tool then I am glad I am not the raw material. I think we are all raw materials now. I had a scary experience of this the other day. I was searching for a running belt on Amazon. I didn't buy. But since then Facebook has been advertising running belts on my FB page. I have never, to my knowledge, linked the two pages. Privacy today is as dead as the dodo. To me, that it is you who did go looking for the running belt first proves to me that you were not the raw material there. You took the initiative. On the other hand, if first you saw the running belt on "facebook" (How I detest it!) then decided you want it and went to Amazon you would then be a raw material ready for "processing". I have not "linked" anything anywhere and I have a bunch of pro privacy addons hence my dodo is still alive today. Why is it not, that the running belt manufacturer prompted @Wakanyugi to check for it at amazon? The social network isn't linear, and ordered. The individual orders it for himself. An illustration is best seen in graph theory. You can analyze a path from any node(point) and go through all points and back to it. I suspect it is Google who sold me out. I got to Amazon through them. How they then found my face book page defeats me. As to whether this destruction of privacy is worth it, I will leave that to greater minds to unravel. But here is a theory: "In our super-reality (Unity) we are all one and privacy is in fact an illusion. We know everything about everything and everyone. Could it be that, through technology, social networks etc we are moving to a time when our sub realities will be Unity as well? Then this big brotherism might be worth it." "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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tycho wrote:symbols wrote:tycho wrote:symbols wrote:tycho wrote:symbols wrote:I thought you were talking about the objectives of the program.
Why define it as a super mind or metapsychology?
I agree the reflective space has been expanded but that could also affect the attention span. Because all programmers are programed. It is programing itself, that's why these studies are recent. Any program is to optimize itself. That's what the super mind wants. It's always been there. What we see is a reflection. Of the super mind. Being programmed doesn't mean you have the same program or the same responses.But considering what you've said above,then that would mean it's all part of the super mind's plan to optimize itself.For what reason? To be and become. The purpose of life is life. The purpose of life is life.What does that mean?To be life and become life? Yes. To be. And being is organizing and disorganizing. Why disorganize to organize? Because the cost of not disorganizing is greater than the benefits. To enjoy more benefits, one embraces chaos. The direction is life in itself. Energy. Power. Intelligence. Language. Privacy, is about how we know, and understand what we don't know. Cover is for insufficiency before the it. A consolation of the mind. Music has sound, light, kinesthetic sense, and other 'characteristics' whose perception is of a different kind from normal human perception. I am yet to see any benefits out of this chaos or to understand why they choose the 'benefits' for others.Is this dialogue?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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Wakanyugi wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Social networks are a powerful tool. They are a resource. The new field for Revolution and counter-revolt. If they are a tool then I am glad I am not the raw material. I think we are all raw materials now. I had a scary experience of this the other day. I was searching for a running belt on Amazon. I didn't buy. But since then Facebook has been advertising running belts on my FB page. I have never, to my knowledge, linked the two pages. Privacy today is as dead as the dodo. To me, that it is you who did go looking for the running belt first proves to me that you were not the raw material there. You took the initiative. On the other hand, if first you saw the running belt on "facebook" (How I detest it!) then decided you want it and went to Amazon you would then be a raw material ready for "processing". I have not "linked" anything anywhere and I have a bunch of pro privacy addons hence my dodo is still alive today. Why is it not, that the running belt manufacturer prompted @Wakanyugi to check for it at amazon? The social network isn't linear, and ordered. The individual orders it for himself. An illustration is best seen in graph theory. You can analyze a path from any node(point) and go through all points and back to it. I suspect it is Google who sold me out. I got to Amazon through them. How they then found my face book page defeats me. As to whether this destruction of privacy is worth it, I will leave that to greater minds to unravel. But here is a theory: "In our super-reality (Unity) we are all one and privacy is in fact an illusion. We know everything about everything and everyone. Could it be that, through technology, social networks etc we are moving to a time when our sub realities will be Unity as well? Then this big brotherism might be worth it." Let me assume what you say is true,who will control big brother and who will decide what is right and wrong?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/3/2007 Posts: 1,635
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Muriel wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Social networks are a powerful tool. They are a resource. The new field for Revolution and counter-revolt. If they are a tool then I am glad I am not the raw material. I think we are all raw materials now. I had a scary experience of this the other day. I was searching for a running belt on Amazon. I didn't buy. But since then Facebook has been advertising running belts on my FB page. I have never, to my knowledge, linked the two pages. Privacy today is as dead as the dodo. To me, that it is you who did go looking for the running belt first proves to me that you were not the raw material there. You took the initiative. On the other hand, if first you saw the running belt on "facebook" (How I detest it!) then decided you want it and went to Amazon you would then be a raw material ready for "processing". I have not "linked" anything anywhere and I have a bunch of pro privacy addons hence my dodo is still alive today. I think you are right. But normally I don't usually worry about this loss of privacy as I have very little to hide. But when it happens as it did, and now reading that facebook is trying to influence our emotions, I tend to wonder. What else can they do? "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/3/2007 Posts: 1,635
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symbols wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:Muriel wrote:Social networks are a powerful tool. They are a resource. The new field for Revolution and counter-revolt. If they are a tool then I am glad I am not the raw material. I think we are all raw materials now. I had a scary experience of this the other day. I was searching for a running belt on Amazon. I didn't buy. But since then Facebook has been advertising running belts on my FB page. I have never, to my knowledge, linked the two pages. Privacy today is as dead as the dodo. To me, that it is you who did go looking for the running belt first proves to me that you were not the raw material there. You took the initiative. On the other hand, if first you saw the running belt on "facebook" (How I detest it!) then decided you want it and went to Amazon you would then be a raw material ready for "processing". I have not "linked" anything anywhere and I have a bunch of pro privacy addons hence my dodo is still alive today. Why is it not, that the running belt manufacturer prompted @Wakanyugi to check for it at amazon? The social network isn't linear, and ordered. The individual orders it for himself. An illustration is best seen in graph theory. You can analyze a path from any node(point) and go through all points and back to it. I suspect it is Google who sold me out. I got to Amazon through them. How they then found my face book page defeats me. As to whether this destruction of privacy is worth it, I will leave that to greater minds to unravel. But here is a theory: "In our super-reality (Unity) we are all one and privacy is in fact an illusion. We know everything about everything and everyone. Could it be that, through technology, social networks etc we are moving to a time when our sub realities will be Unity as well? Then this big brotherism might be worth it." /quote] Let me assume what you say is true,who will control big brother and who will decide what is right and wrong? Right now big brother is the corporate crowd as we have seen. They are spending good money on this technology because they can see the immediate benefit. The Unity I spoke of is more idealistic. One where the system works for the benefit of all. Where technology contributes to the realization of our true self. I believe that will happen...inevitably. "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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symbols wrote:tycho wrote:symbols wrote:tycho wrote:symbols wrote:tycho wrote:symbols wrote:I thought you were talking about the objectives of the program.
Why define it as a super mind or metapsychology?
I agree the reflective space has been expanded but that could also affect the attention span. Because all programmers are programed. It is programing itself, that's why these studies are recent. Any program is to optimize itself. That's what the super mind wants. It's always been there. What we see is a reflection. Of the super mind. Being programmed doesn't mean you have the same program or the same responses.But considering what you've said above,then that would mean it's all part of the super mind's plan to optimize itself.For what reason? To be and become. The purpose of life is life. The purpose of life is life.What does that mean?To be life and become life? Yes. To be. And being is organizing and disorganizing. Why disorganize to organize? Because the cost of not disorganizing is greater than the benefits. To enjoy more benefits, one embraces chaos. The direction is life in itself. Energy. Power. Intelligence. Language. Privacy, is about how we know, and understand what we don't know. Cover is for insufficiency before the it. A consolation of the mind. Music has sound, light, kinesthetic sense, and other 'characteristics' whose perception is of a different kind from normal human perception. I am yet to see any benefits out of this chaos or to understand why they choose the 'benefits' for others.Is this dialogue? The explanation for your situation is simple; your order system is changing from without. Or from other nodes. But isn't this normal and even necessary? Your responsibility then becomes one of optimizing to change and entropy. This is the essence of the study of social networks.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Wakanyugi wrote:symbols wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:Muriel wrote:Social networks are a powerful tool. They are a resource. The new field for Revolution and counter-revolt. If they are a tool then I am glad I am not the raw material. I think we are all raw materials now. I had a scary experience of this the other day. I was searching for a running belt on Amazon. I didn't buy. But since then Facebook has been advertising running belts on my FB page. I have never, to my knowledge, linked the two pages. Privacy today is as dead as the dodo. To me, that it is you who did go looking for the running belt first proves to me that you were not the raw material there. You took the initiative. On the other hand, if first you saw the running belt on "facebook" (How I detest it!) then decided you want it and went to Amazon you would then be a raw material ready for "processing". I have not "linked" anything anywhere and I have a bunch of pro privacy addons hence my dodo is still alive today. Why is it not, that the running belt manufacturer prompted @Wakanyugi to check for it at amazon? The social network isn't linear, and ordered. The individual orders it for himself. An illustration is best seen in graph theory. You can analyze a path from any node(point) and go through all points and back to it. I suspect it is Google who sold me out. I got to Amazon through them. How they then found my face book page defeats me. As to whether this destruction of privacy is worth it, I will leave that to greater minds to unravel. But here is a theory: "In our super-reality (Unity) we are all one and privacy is in fact an illusion. We know everything about everything and everyone. Could it be that, through technology, social networks etc we are moving to a time when our sub realities will be Unity as well? Then this big brotherism might be worth it." /quote] Let me assume what you say is true,who will control big brother and who will decide what is right and wrong? Right now big brother is the corporate crowd as we have seen. They are spending good money on this technology because they can see the immediate benefit. The Unity I spoke of is more idealistic. One where the system works for the benefit of all. Where technology contributes to the realization of our true self. I believe that will happen...inevitably. Big brother is you. Big brother controls Big brother.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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tycho wrote:symbols wrote:tycho wrote:symbols wrote:tycho wrote:symbols wrote:tycho wrote:symbols wrote:I thought you were talking about the objectives of the program.
Why define it as a super mind or metapsychology?
I agree the reflective space has been expanded but that could also affect the attention span. Because all programmers are programed. It is programing itself, that's why these studies are recent. Any program is to optimize itself. That's what the super mind wants. It's always been there. What we see is a reflection. Of the super mind. Being programmed doesn't mean you have the same program or the same responses.But considering what you've said above,then that would mean it's all part of the super mind's plan to optimize itself.For what reason? To be and become. The purpose of life is life. The purpose of life is life.What does that mean?To be life and become life? Yes. To be. And being is organizing and disorganizing. Why disorganize to organize? Because the cost of not disorganizing is greater than the benefits. To enjoy more benefits, one embraces chaos. The direction is life in itself. Energy. Power. Intelligence. Language. Privacy, is about how we know, and understand what we don't know. Cover is for insufficiency before the it. A consolation of the mind. Music has sound, light, kinesthetic sense, and other 'characteristics' whose perception is of a different kind from normal human perception. I am yet to see any benefits out of this chaos or to understand why they choose the 'benefits' for others.Is this dialogue? The explanation for your situation is simple; your order system is changing from without. Or from other nodes. But isn't this normal and even necessary? Your responsibility then becomes one of optimizing to change and entropy. This is the essence of the study of social networks. What order system are you talking about? All I am seeing is a declaration of might makes right. "Insanity - a perfectly rational adjustment to an insane world." Sometimes optimizing yourself to change is folly.What they are showing is not study of social networks but its manipulation to achieve their goals.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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tycho wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:symbols wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:Muriel wrote:Social networks are a powerful tool. They are a resource. The new field for Revolution and counter-revolt. If they are a tool then I am glad I am not the raw material. I think we are all raw materials now. I had a scary experience of this the other day. I was searching for a running belt on Amazon. I didn't buy. But since then Facebook has been advertising running belts on my FB page. I have never, to my knowledge, linked the two pages. Privacy today is as dead as the dodo. To me, that it is you who did go looking for the running belt first proves to me that you were not the raw material there. You took the initiative. On the other hand, if first you saw the running belt on "facebook" (How I detest it!) then decided you want it and went to Amazon you would then be a raw material ready for "processing". I have not "linked" anything anywhere and I have a bunch of pro privacy addons hence my dodo is still alive today. Why is it not, that the running belt manufacturer prompted @Wakanyugi to check for it at amazon? The social network isn't linear, and ordered. The individual orders it for himself. An illustration is best seen in graph theory. You can analyze a path from any node(point) and go through all points and back to it. I suspect it is Google who sold me out. I got to Amazon through them. How they then found my face book page defeats me. As to whether this destruction of privacy is worth it, I will leave that to greater minds to unravel. But here is a theory: "In our super-reality (Unity) we are all one and privacy is in fact an illusion. We know everything about everything and everyone. Could it be that, through technology, social networks etc we are moving to a time when our sub realities will be Unity as well? Then this big brotherism might be worth it." /quote] Let me assume what you say is true,who will control big brother and who will decide what is right and wrong? Right now big brother is the corporate crowd as we have seen. They are spending good money on this technology because they can see the immediate benefit. The Unity I spoke of is more idealistic. One where the system works for the benefit of all. Where technology contributes to the realization of our true self. I believe that will happen...inevitably. Big brother is you. Big brother controls Big brother. If it is me then why don't I agree with that Big brother is doing?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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symbols wrote:tycho wrote:symbols wrote:tycho wrote:symbols wrote:tycho wrote:symbols wrote:tycho wrote:symbols wrote:I thought you were talking about the objectives of the program.
Why define it as a super mind or metapsychology?
I agree the reflective space has been expanded but that could also affect the attention span. Because all programmers are programed. It is programing itself, that's why these studies are recent. Any program is to optimize itself. That's what the super mind wants. It's always been there. What we see is a reflection. Of the super mind. Being programmed doesn't mean you have the same program or the same responses.But considering what you've said above,then that would mean it's all part of the super mind's plan to optimize itself.For what reason? To be and become. The purpose of life is life. The purpose of life is life.What does that mean?To be life and become life? Yes. To be. And being is organizing and disorganizing. Why disorganize to organize? Because the cost of not disorganizing is greater than the benefits. To enjoy more benefits, one embraces chaos. The direction is life in itself. Energy. Power. Intelligence. Language. Privacy, is about how we know, and understand what we don't know. Cover is for insufficiency before the it. A consolation of the mind. Music has sound, light, kinesthetic sense, and other 'characteristics' whose perception is of a different kind from normal human perception. I am yet to see any benefits out of this chaos or to understand why they choose the 'benefits' for others.Is this dialogue? The explanation for your situation is simple; your order system is changing from without. Or from other nodes. But isn't this normal and even necessary? Your responsibility then becomes one of optimizing to change and entropy. This is the essence of the study of social networks. What order system are you talking about? All I am seeing is a declaration of might makes right. "Insanity - a perfectly rational adjustment to an insane world." Sometimes optimizing yourself to change is folly.What they are showing is not study of social networks but its manipulation to achieve their goals. 1. How aware are you of your social network? 2. What's your network doing? 3. What are you doing in, and to the networks? 4. How do you resolve emergent conflict? 5. How can you influence your network? The network is always there. How to use it is the question.
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