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Mukiri wrote:Especially how and what we eat. True on this, I had some friends over and decided to make them a meal so I made beans and added some full potatoes and served them they looked at me and asked why nawapatia kitoweo tupu because to us that meal should either come with ugali, rice or spaghetti, another thing how many times a week does a kenyan eat ugali? at mum's it's about 5 times the other 2 (weekend) are Githeri .
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Kihara joni wrote:Mukiri wrote:Especially how and what we eat. True on this, I had some friends over and decided to make them a meal so I made beans and added some full potatoes and served them they looked at me and asked why nawapatia kitoweo tupu because to us that meal should either come with ugali, rice or spaghetti, another thing how many times a week does a kenyan eat ugali? at mum's it's about 5 times the other 2 (weekend) are Githeri . I do not think that is what Mukiri meant. His is more to do with 'traditional' diets vs 'westernized' diets.
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tycho wrote:Question(s).
1. Was it foolish or unreasonable for the monkeys to keep the institution of the climbing of ladders? Or rather, was it important for them to know 'why'?
My opinion is that knowing why in this case would be totally irrelevant. They didn't even know or ask why they were where they were from the very beginning. So asking 'why' in the nth generation is useless. The game had already been validated.
2. What insights are applicable to humans?
Reality is a construction that is easily reified. And more often than not humans make monkeys of themselves.
For example, if we can think the 'west' makes the 'Africans' monkeys then we are monkeys indeed. Somewhat true, brother. We cannot expect non-persons to do as persons would. Why, even mentally unstable grown men and women will make decisions that baffle the mentally stable grown men and women. But an interesting story nevertheless and certainly with subtle lessons to be grasped as appropriate.
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Kihara joni wrote:Mukiri wrote:Especially how and what we eat. True on this, I had some friends over and decided to make them a meal so I made beans and added some full potatoes and served them they looked at me and asked why nawapatia kitoweo tupu because to us that meal should either come with ugali, rice or spaghetti, another thing how many times a week does a kenyan eat ugali? at mum's it's about 5 times the other 2 (weekend) are Githeri . I always wonder who taught us that chai as we know it must always be a mixture of milk, water and tea leaves... Heard about "Nipee Bamba 20 ya Airtel?"
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Muriel wrote:Kihara joni wrote:Mukiri wrote:Especially how and what we eat. True on this, I had some friends over and decided to make them a meal so I made beans and added some full potatoes and served them they looked at me and asked why nawapatia kitoweo tupu because to us that meal should either come with ugali, rice or spaghetti, another thing how many times a week does a kenyan eat ugali? at mum's it's about 5 times the other 2 (weekend) are Githeri . I do not think that is what Mukiri meant. His is more to do with 'traditional' diets vs 'westernized' diets. Perhaps what we consider Kosher type foods fall into this category. A long time ago people may have eaten dirty pigs, snakes, monkeys, hyenas, dogs or even rats and died out of some disease. People then established a societal conditioning that eating pigs, reptiles, primates, canines and some rodents is 'sin' coz they are unclean animals. fast forward a couple of thousand years. If you ask a man on the Kenyan Streets - Do you eat Monkeys? He will look at you like you have insulted him, his wife and his mother!! he will exclaim -NO!! NO!! but when you ask - Why not? He will not give you a satisfactory answer based on his own experience..... has anyone here tasted monkey flesh? If your neighbour was caught cooking monkeys - what would the village do to him??? All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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masukuma wrote:Muriel wrote:Kihara joni wrote:Mukiri wrote:Especially how and what we eat. True on this, I had some friends over and decided to make them a meal so I made beans and added some full potatoes and served them they looked at me and asked why nawapatia kitoweo tupu because to us that meal should either come with ugali, rice or spaghetti, another thing how many times a week does a kenyan eat ugali? at mum's it's about 5 times the other 2 (weekend) are Githeri . I do not think that is what Mukiri meant. His is more to do with 'traditional' diets vs 'westernized' diets. Perhaps what we consider Kosher type foods fall into this category. A long time ago people may have eaten dirty pigs, snakes, monkeys, hyenas, dogs or even rats and died out of some disease. People then established a societal conditioning that eating pigs, reptiles, primates, canines and some rodents is 'sin' coz they are unclean animals. fast forward a couple of thousand years. If you ask a man on the Kenyan Streets - Do you eat Monkeys? He will look at you like you have insulted him, his wife and his mother!! he will exclaim -NO!! NO!! but when you ask - Why not? He will not give you a satisfactory answer based on his own experience..... has anyone here tasted monkey flesh? If your neighbour was caught cooking monkeys - what would the village do to him??? Laugh Laugh Laugh They would probably lynch him, especially if he has been a generous guy sharing his food. Anyway, that is a flimsy explanation. What would make one go chasing monkeys especially after he has discovered eating easier-to-get vegetation can fill his stomach? I think that it is the eating of vegetation that has been rained upon by westernization such that today anyone who eats e.g. masukuma regularly is considered 'rural' or 'poor'. And is stigmatized.
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Like we didnt lynch a former minister for advising we eat rats. Yet we are fine eating rabbits. Lol
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Muriel wrote:masukuma wrote:Muriel wrote:Kihara joni wrote:Mukiri wrote:Especially how and what we eat. True on this, I had some friends over and decided to make them a meal so I made beans and added some full potatoes and served them they looked at me and asked why nawapatia kitoweo tupu because to us that meal should either come with ugali, rice or spaghetti, another thing how many times a week does a kenyan eat ugali? at mum's it's about 5 times the other 2 (weekend) are Githeri . I do not think that is what Mukiri meant. His is more to do with 'traditional' diets vs 'westernized' diets. Perhaps what we consider Kosher type foods fall into this category. A long time ago people may have eaten dirty pigs, snakes, monkeys, hyenas, dogs or even rats and died out of some disease. People then established a societal conditioning that eating pigs, reptiles, primates, canines and some rodents is 'sin' coz they are unclean animals. fast forward a couple of thousand years. If you ask a man on the Kenyan Streets - Do you eat Monkeys? He will look at you like you have insulted him, his wife and his mother!! he will exclaim -NO!! NO!! but when you ask - Why not? He will not give you a satisfactory answer based on his own experience..... has anyone here tasted monkey flesh? If your neighbour was caught cooking monkeys - what would the village do to him??? Laugh Laugh Laugh They would probably lynch him, especially if he has been a generous guy sharing his food. Anyway, that is a flimsy explanation. What would make one go chasing monkeys especially after he has discovered eating easier-to-get vegetation can fill his stomach? I think that it is the eating of vegetation that has been rained upon by westernization such that today anyone who eats e.g. masukuma regularly is considered 'rural' or 'poor'. And is stigmatized. @masukuma the part where you said a long time ago, there might be a possibility people went through a phase of trial and error in food and all other complex things we have today. I believe otherwise myself, and it is easy to prove. Evidence of this is:If you analyze the complexity of language, "primitive" people would not have developed linguistic complexities that we see today. In fact, if it were true that complexity grows with time, how come we don't use even a quarter of a language. I don't think there is anyone who knows half of my vernacular. That means, the less than half is adequate for survival, so how was it possible to develop the 100% in the first place? For what purpose if 50% is enough to communicate? And this applies to all human languages the world over are equally complex. My convictionThe first human was not ignorant creature. He didn't acquire knowledge gradually. He was not a pagan who came to know source of creation later. He was not a dumb creation who learned language out of his own evolutionary faculties. He didn't lead a life of beast and evolved civilization later. Rather he was provided by faculty of thought and speech, freedom of choice. Was taught to know creator from start. And was created in best of forms. Creator spoke to him, and he obeyed the designer or creator.
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