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Kenenisa Bekele comes to the marathon....
madollar
#11 Posted : Friday, April 11, 2014 3:30:40 PM
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Wakanyugi wrote:
madollar wrote:
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If anyone can break Kipsangs record, Bekele is top of my list.

Then again, as we have often learned, the Marathon is the Marathon. So many things have to line up on that particular day - a runners pedigree is just one of them.

The pacesetters have also to run perfect splits with most of them being kenyans i dont see them doing that for bekele.Ulimately it may come down to how mo farah perfoms this sunday in london then the 2 might attack the world record next year in berlin pushing each other until one of them breaks it most likely bekele



I used to bet with a good friend of mine that if Lel and the late Wanjiru run the Marathon together, they would push each other to the world record. They did. It never happened.

I doubt that Farah and Bekele can do it either.

Every record set in the Marathon recently has been largely a lone effort. The hares take you to a sub 60 first half...followed by a lonely push from 30K where the only thing that matters is the will to run.

If Bekele breaks the world record, I expect it will be a repeat of the Paris performance, but with more even splits.

But I seriously doubt his mental fortitude.

if you recall when mutai set 2.03 time fastest in the marathon although not a world record mosop was behind him all the way same as tergat when he set the world record their was a guy who pushed him to the finish line . eliud kipchoge has the 5th fastest time finishing behind kipsang in berlin when he broke the world record.
it can happen

bekele seems to employing the same tactics GEB used avoid the big hitters and run in marathons you can control the pace.That is one of the reasons wanjiru never raced in berlin the organizers rejected his application to make room for GEB to concentrate in his record attempt instead of watching the other big name moves





Wakanyugi
#12 Posted : Friday, April 11, 2014 4:51:47 PM
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These are good points @Madollar and Kusadikika. Some record attempts do benefit from someone pushing you, especially if the hares fail. But you look at that change from 30-35K. A serious record attempter must control the race from here or else he fails, no matter who else is in the mix.

This is where the value of fitness fades and mental attitude becomes all important. GEB had mental strength in spades. So did Wanjiru but he never seriously attempted the record.

Bekele has pace, no question. But the evolution of Marathon record attempts is no longer speed but even splits. A metronomic pace that deliberately conserves energy in the first half in order to repeat the same in the second half.

Then you pray for the gods of marathon running to be in a good mood that day.
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shalishali
#13 Posted : Friday, April 11, 2014 4:57:49 PM
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madollar
#14 Posted : Friday, April 11, 2014 4:57:56 PM
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@wakanyugi what are your thoughts regarding the baby faced killer tirunesh dibaba she will be in london on sunday facing the likes of jeptoo and the kiplagats
Wakanyugi
#15 Posted : Friday, April 11, 2014 5:16:48 PM
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madollar wrote:
@wakanyugi what are your thoughts regarding the baby faced killer tirunesh dibaba she will be in london on sunday facing the likes of jeptoo and the kiplagats


Tirunesh has a killer pace no question.

In fact I think she has the fastest final lap of a 5000 meters race ever recorded, for women. Her success in London though depends on how she has evolved into the longer distances.

I still put my money on our girls here.
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madollar
#16 Posted : Monday, April 14, 2014 3:45:02 PM
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Wakanyugi wrote:
madollar wrote:
@wakanyugi what are your thoughts regarding the baby faced killer tirunesh dibaba she will be in london on sunday facing the likes of jeptoo and the kiplagats


Tirunesh has a killer pace no question.

In fact I think she has the fastest final lap of a 5000 meters race ever recorded, for women. Her success in London though depends on how she has evolved into the longer distances.

I still put my money on our girls here.


The girls did come through but a bad way to start the season for jeptoo with that DNF
Dibaba might find the marathon a bit hard if she competes against a strong field At one point she was only 70 meters from the kiplagats but she had no strength to cut that gap given how powerful her last lap is in the 10K that was a complete surprise

Bekele must be smiling after seeing the results from london only two men ran faster than him farah ,kiprotich and the mutais were complete disasters

The next big race might be between bekele ,kipsang and eliud kipchoge

masukuma
#17 Posted : Monday, April 14, 2014 3:51:55 PM
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madollar wrote:
Wakanyugi wrote:
madollar wrote:
@wakanyugi what are your thoughts regarding the baby faced killer tirunesh dibaba she will be in london on sunday facing the likes of jeptoo and the kiplagats


Tirunesh has a killer pace no question.

In fact I think she has the fastest final lap of a 5000 meters race ever recorded, for women. Her success in London though depends on how she has evolved into the longer distances.

I still put my money on our girls here.


The girls did come through but a bad way to start the season for jeptoo with that DNF
Dibaba might find the marathon a bit hard if she competes against a strong field At one point she was only 70 meters from the kiplagats but she had no strength to cut that gap given how powerful her last lap is in the 10K that was a complete surprise

Bekele must be smiling after seeing the results from london only two men ran faster than him farah ,kiprotich and the mutais were complete disasters

The next big race might be between bekele ,kipsang and eliud kipchoge


for elite athletes - marathons are all about what happens on that day.
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Wakanyugi
#18 Posted : Monday, April 14, 2014 4:12:00 PM
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madollar wrote:
Wakanyugi wrote:
madollar wrote:
@wakanyugi what are your thoughts regarding the baby faced killer tirunesh dibaba she will be in london on sunday facing the likes of jeptoo and the kiplagats


Tirunesh has a killer pace no question.

In fact I think she has the fastest final lap of a 5000 meters race ever recorded, for women. Her success in London though depends on how she has evolved into the longer distances.

I still put my money on our girls here.


The girls did come through but a bad way to start the season for jeptoo with that DNF
Dibaba might find the marathon a bit hard if she competes against a strong field At one point she was only 70 meters from the kiplagats but she had no strength to cut that gap given how powerful her last lap is in the 10K that was a complete surprise

Bekele must be smiling after seeing the results from london only two men ran faster than him farah ,kiprotich and the mutais were complete disasters

The next big race might be between bekele ,kipsang and eliud kipchoge



I think Tirunesh and Farah have a future in the marathon if they stick at it. I felt a bit sad for Farah though, so much was expected of him.

But for me the lesson from London is one that has been made before. The Marathon is no respecter of big names.

Our first Lady's performance was quite impressive though for a 50 year old debutant at the distance. I hope this will encourage more of our women to attempt the Marathon. I can't tell you how many of my women friends complete half marathons every year and yet insist they could never finish 42K.

"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
Alba
#19 Posted : Monday, April 14, 2014 5:01:44 PM
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Farah is a good runner but not worth the hype he has received. At the Olympics and worlds, he benefited from the fact that all the big guns have left the track and gone to the road races.

Whereas he was running against inexperienced racers on the track, he now has to confront seasoned runners on the road. See the article below:

http://kenyapage.net/com...s-kenyas-running-corps/

Kusadikika
#20 Posted : Monday, April 14, 2014 6:12:36 PM
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Alba wrote:
Farah is a good runner but not worth the hype he has received. At the Olympics and worlds, he benefited from the fact that all the big guns have left the track and gone to the road races.

Whereas he was running against inexperienced racers on the track, he now has to confront seasoned runners on the road. See the article below:

http://kenyapage.net/com...s-kenyas-running-corps/



I think Farah's big name is due to perfect timing and media hype. Perfect timing in that his rise coincides perfectly with the decline of Kenenisa Bekele. The only reason his name is mentioned alongside that of Kenenisa Bekele is because of winning two Olympic medals but in terms of pedigree Mo Farah is nowhere near Bekele.

Consider this in 5000 metres where he is supposed to be the king his fastest time in the distance is the 64th fastest time. Kenenisa Bekele is not only the World record holder in the distance but has also recorded 10 times faster than Mo Farah's fastest. In 10,000 metres his fastest time is 27th fastest. Bekele is again the world record holder and has recorded 7 times faster than Farah.

His marathon time would be tied for position 712 (seven hundred and twelve) fastest time in the world.

Ref:http://www.alltime-athletics.com/
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