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Money Whisperer
#11 Posted : Tuesday, January 07, 2014 11:40:12 AM
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a4architect.com wrote:
the reason for poor shoddy work lies in how ministry of roads manages the contractors eg
1. how the contractor is selected/competency/experience for particular road works.
2. contract sum. Can the contract sum allow for good quality materials procurement ?
3. guidance and supervision form roads engineers i.e are the engineers enough and making proper supervision?

In most international contracts eg the chinese contracts, all the above are present hence better quality. If kirinyaga contractors are supervised well, with well funded contracts and employ experienced labour, their roads will be as good as chinese but kickbacks, low govt engineer staffing and poor quality staffing/labour ensures we get lower quality roads.

oh pliz architect contract sums are always good but kickbacks are factored in so the actual cost is way below the recommended cost
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King G
#12 Posted : Tuesday, January 07, 2014 1:00:37 PM
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omhangla wrote:
and yet they cry Chinese are taking all contracts


For road construction, Chinese anyday .... Nyamasaria - Kisumu Airport - KK by-pass is coming out fine, very well done. While Kericho - Ahero is not yet finished since 2005.
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a4architect.com
#13 Posted : Tuesday, January 07, 2014 1:27:28 PM
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Money Whisperer wrote:
a4architect.com wrote:
the reason for poor shoddy work lies in how ministry of roads manages the contractors eg
1. how the contractor is selected/competency/experience for particular road works.
2. contract sum. Can the contract sum allow for good quality materials procurement ?
3. guidance and supervision form roads engineers i.e are the engineers enough and making proper supervision?

In most international contracts eg the chinese contracts, all the above are present hence better quality. If kirinyaga contractors are supervised well, with well funded contracts and employ experienced labour, their roads will be as good as chinese but kickbacks, low govt engineer staffing and poor quality staffing/labour ensures we get lower quality roads.

oh pliz architect contract sums are always good but kickbacks are factored in so the actual cost is way below the recommended cost


@money..true..budgets are ok lakini the kickback part gives a serious dent to it..maybe we should institutionalise corruption so that the corruption part is officially added on top of the actual construction costs...d'oh!
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poundfoolish
#14 Posted : Tuesday, January 07, 2014 2:08:20 PM
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The Chinese get a govt to govt deal.. once the papers are signed its as good as they will get their money back. They do everything from their pockets and wait for GoK to pay.. as they wait payment, they jump on to the next thing.

But a local contractor.. you even never know if you shall get your money, releasing of funds is usually haphazard so most of them only construct as the cash comes in.. and that is after they have taken their markups first..
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mawinder
#15 Posted : Tuesday, January 07, 2014 2:19:43 PM
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Thika Road turns to Lake Kibaki when it rains.
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kollabo
#16 Posted : Tuesday, January 07, 2014 3:20:03 PM
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a4architect.com wrote:
the reason for poor shoddy work lies in how ministry of roads manages the contractors eg
1. how the contractor is selected/competency/experience for particular road works.
2. contract sum. Can the contract sum allow for good quality materials procurement ?
3. guidance and supervision form roads engineers i.e are the engineers enough and making proper supervision?

In most international contracts eg the chinese contracts, all the above are present hence better quality. If kirinyaga contractors are supervised well, with well funded contracts and employ experienced labour, their roads will be as good as chinese but kickbacks, low govt engineer staffing and poor quality staffing/labour ensures we get lower quality roads.


@A4 have you ever used the Waiyaki way slip-off into Museum hill? Its a left turn-off but the road tilts almost 20degrees to the right, meaning a vehicle moving about 40kph can easily overturn right there.
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a4architect.com
#17 Posted : Tuesday, January 07, 2014 3:54:22 PM
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kollabo wrote:
a4architect.com wrote:
the reason for poor shoddy work lies in how ministry of roads manages the contractors eg
1. how the contractor is selected/competency/experience for particular road works.
2. contract sum. Can the contract sum allow for good quality materials procurement ?
3. guidance and supervision form roads engineers i.e are the engineers enough and making proper supervision?

In most international contracts eg the chinese contracts, all the above are present hence better quality. If kirinyaga contractors are supervised well, with well funded contracts and employ experienced labour, their roads will be as good as chinese but kickbacks, low govt engineer staffing and poor quality staffing/labour ensures we get lower quality roads.


@A4 have you ever used the Waiyaki way slip-off into Museum hill? Its a left turn-off but the road tilts almost 20degrees to the right, meaning a vehicle moving about 40kph can easily overturn right there.


@kollabo..yes. the design there is wanting. the junction where the slip road meets the over pass is even more dangerous with vehicles moving from slip road to over pass interweaving cars from over pass to ojijo road/K1.
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GGK
#18 Posted : Tuesday, January 07, 2014 4:33:47 PM
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The road construction is carried out by a contractor as per design specifications as contained in the tender. All projects have a Resident Engineer (RE) who is meant to ascertain that works are executed as per specifications. The RE endorses all Completion Certificates that forms the basis for payment by the client (KenHA, KURA, KERRA etc). If works are poorly done, I would blame the RE more than the contractor.

Where the design has issues like the Chiromo Road junction(Museum Hill) the two parties needed to have agreed in the on site design changes.
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The optimist
#19 Posted : Tuesday, January 07, 2014 6:19:43 PM
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The guy doing the mail tisa to eldoret army barraks section in two years, he has only tarmacked 10 metres
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King G
#20 Posted : Tuesday, January 07, 2014 6:39:41 PM
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mawinder wrote:
Thika Road turns to Lake Kibaki when it rains.


What do you expect when we steal and block drainage system and equipments
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