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Goverment vs Culture Conflict
tycho
#11 Posted : Monday, November 18, 2013 4:24:23 PM
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Muriel wrote:
tycho wrote:
Muriel wrote:
Laugh.

laugh.

laugh.




Cry.

Cry.

Cry.

Cry.



Why?


Balance. I suppose.
Muriel
#12 Posted : Monday, November 18, 2013 4:27:40 PM
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tycho wrote:
Muriel wrote:
tycho wrote:
Muriel wrote:
Laugh.

laugh.

laugh.




Cry.

Cry.

Cry.

Cry.



Why?


Balance. I suppose.



What were you thinking beating a thief?
tycho
#13 Posted : Monday, November 18, 2013 4:36:32 PM
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Muriel wrote:
tycho wrote:
Muriel wrote:
tycho wrote:
Muriel wrote:
Laugh.

laugh.

laugh.




Cry.

Cry.

Cry.

Cry.



Why?


Balance. I suppose.



What were you thinking beating a thief?


Nothing. Only anger reigned in my heart. Ego, perhaps.
Muriel
#14 Posted : Monday, November 18, 2013 4:41:37 PM
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Posts: 3,142
tycho wrote:
Muriel wrote:
tycho wrote:
Muriel wrote:
tycho wrote:
Muriel wrote:
Laugh.

laugh.

laugh.




Cry.

Cry.

Cry.

Cry.



Why?


Balance. I suppose.



What were you thinking beating a thief?


Nothing. Only anger reigned in my heart. Ego, perhaps.


Government is the custodian of instruments of coercion. Like beating. Are you government?
tycho
#15 Posted : Monday, November 18, 2013 5:09:07 PM
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Joined: 7/1/2011
Posts: 8,804
Location: Nairobi
Muriel wrote:
tycho wrote:
Muriel wrote:
tycho wrote:
Muriel wrote:
tycho wrote:
Muriel wrote:
Laugh.

laugh.

laugh.




Cry.

Cry.

Cry.

Cry.



Why?


Balance. I suppose.



What were you thinking beating a thief?


Nothing. Only anger reigned in my heart. Ego, perhaps.


Government is the custodian of instruments of coercion. Like beating. Are you government?


'Government'. When you say it has coercive powers I get lost. I'm not even supposed to have such power, even if I were government. But I'm government I believe.
Lolest!
#16 Posted : Monday, November 18, 2013 7:41:53 PM
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tycho wrote:
Muriel wrote:
tycho wrote:
Muriel wrote:
Laugh.

laugh.

laugh.




Cry.

Cry.

Cry.

Cry.



Why?


Balance. I suppose.
Nimekumbuka tamthilia ya Amezidi iliyoandikwa na Saad A Yahya.
Laughing out loudly smile Applause d'oh! Sad Drool Liar Shame on you Pray
kysse
#17 Posted : Tuesday, November 19, 2013 2:33:08 AM
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muriel and tycho speaking in tongues of men.

tycho wrote:


For some curious reason I was angry when we first met yesterday, and that made me to want to pause and think some more about what we're talking about.
why were you angry?

I can hardly say that you're not angry about FGM, cattle rustling, mob justice etc. I think you've expressed the anger only too clearly.

And I was angry because I thought you were being too harsh, and perhaps too vindictive on 'ourselves', and culture. Then I realized that 'right thinking' can hardly entail 'anger'.

And not being angry means being powerful, potent. Or does it mean 'indifference'? Thinking can never be indifferent.
So, 'right thinking' can only be about 'meeting our needs as humans' with the faith that all problems are surmountable. Right thinking is about having the faith that we work for the 'ultimate good'. Otherwise, we'd have no motivation, no life.

'Right thinking' is about 'creating'. Therefore it's about accepting what is.

Right thinking is 'right knowing'. But knowledge is a matter relationships. And 'ultimate knowledge' must be be about being in the 'ultimate relationship' with all things. Right thinking is about being one with 'God'. Being, and becoming with the 'mandate of heaven'.
Dear lord
When 'we' blame the 'government', are we thinking rightly? Is blaming ourselves right thinking?
Right thinking is about having the faith that we work for the 'ultimate good'. Otherwise, we'd have no motivation, no life.

Just the other day, I found myself beating a thief. It didn't end up in a lynching. But that was mob justice, no? yes, What would you do to a man who's snatched your bag? What does shouting 'thief', mean? Well my thoughts about my thief, who happens to be a 'student' of mine led me to frightening realizations about crime and correction. One can easily say that it's not mob justice when the state kills a robber even after due process. But is that true? The government represents the mob.

Look at cattle rustling. Why do you think it's about dowry than the demand, your demand for beef?


FGM is about a certain peoples culture, isn't it important that they decide for themselves about what to do about it? Can they think for themselves? Are they engaged in right thinking? Am I thinking right about them? About myself? Is the government thinking right about the citizens?



smile smile I think you have summarised it so well.
Food for thought.

tycho wrote:
Muriel wrote:


What were you thinking beating a thief?

Nothing. Only anger reigned in my heart. Ego, perhaps.


That thing EGO makes people live very miserable fake lives.
You gotta be real both within and without to enjoy living.





Muriel
#18 Posted : Tuesday, November 19, 2013 8:10:18 AM
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I cannot think up an adequate response to what Kysse is saying, seeing that she has enjoined me in her piece.

And I blame Lolest! for planting this in her mind!


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