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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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McReggae wrote:Impunity wrote:McReggae wrote:murchr wrote:McReggae wrote:Lolest! wrote:McReggae wrote:Sometimes we get even late getting to know the history of our country!!! Is RAO innocent? Or what do you know that we need to know? Or do you know why Moi spared the Odingas? Share please... The idea was shared equally between the Luo and the Kikuyu supremos......it's the leadership of the coup that was a problem.....very strong in spirit but somehow clueless heads. The Kikuyus tried to replace Mo1 b4 the old man died but ikakataa..the Luo tried to take by force. Hio pia ikakataa...@Lolest on your comment above, its possible there was some outside intervention too. The real sponsors of the coup developed cold feet when it became apparent that the immediate benefactors would not be from their own......people have rarely wanted to get the real details of this coup. Luoz fight in the broad daylight...they are known to be fearless; hiyo kabila ingine are the types that fights by kujifichiwo...they couldn't dare lead from the front and instead lead from the comfort of the slopes while facing the tall mountain! NKT!!!!!!!!  It's odd people don't understand the real facts on this coup.......the more reason they are confused understanding MO1's actions.....the teacher knows the whole truth behind the coup hence his actions/inactions. Did @Lolest read this response before his last response? I doubt. ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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mcrege, i have never read of this angle that you're bringing out. I have read the story from various sources and not once did it come out. Not even in Raila's biography. Though there is one account which soldiers are said to contemplate a kefake presidency!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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Lolest! wrote:mcrege, i have never read of this angle that you're bringing out. I have read the story from various sources and not once did it come out. Not even in Raila's biography. Though there is one account which soldiers are said to contemplate a kefake presidency! Bro it's a story of different demographics pursuing stuff differently.....to answer you MO1 had all the details....his actions were based on the facts that he had. ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/30/2008 Posts: 6,029
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McReggae wrote:Lolest! wrote:mcrege, i have never read of this angle that you're bringing out. I have read the story from various sources and not once did it come out. Not even in Raila's biography. Though there is one account which soldiers are said to contemplate a kefake presidency! Bro it's a story of different demographics pursuing stuff differently.....to answer you MO1 had all the details....his actions were based on the facts that he had. Ditto.Some peopple do not understand that Moi wanted to get rid of people like Charles and he was privy to the whole plot.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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McReggae wrote:Lolest! wrote:mcrege, i have never read of this angle that you're bringing out. I have read the story from various sources and not once did it come out. Not even in Raila's biography. Though there is one account which soldiers are said to contemplate a kefake presidency! Bro it's a story of different demographics pursuing stuff differently.....to answer you MO1 had all the details....his actions were based on the facts that he had. interesting! For all the accounts I've read are from the same demographic. I see an opportunity here...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/23/2008 Posts: 3,966
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Kama mna details, mtoe hapa. Anyone can claim they know something others don't, as long as they don't state what they claim to know. Luck is when Preparation meets Opportunity. ~ Lucius Annaeus Seneca
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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The Luo were the second biggest tribe at the time and Oginga was their Jomo! There is no way MO1 would have hang RAO while Oginga still drew breath and live to brag about it! And why hang RAO who was merely following daddy's orders?? Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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Jus Blazin wrote:Kama mna details, mtoe hapa. Anyone can claim they know something others don't, as long as they don't state what they claim to know. Exactly. There is this totological habit of "yaani u guys don't know? " kumbe ni hewa moto tupu! TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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mawinder wrote:McReggae wrote:Lolest! wrote:mcrege, i have never read of this angle that you're bringing out. I have read the story from various sources and not once did it come out. Not even in Raila's biography. Though there is one account which soldiers are said to contemplate a kefake presidency! Bro it's a story of different demographics pursuing stuff differently.....to answer you MO1 had all the details....his actions were based on the facts that he had. Ditto.Some peopple do not understand that Moi wanted to get rid of people like Charles and he was privy to the whole plot. Thank you @Mwainder. ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Lolest! wrote:Shak wrote:tycho wrote:Lolest! wrote:Was it a miscalculation on the part of Moi by shielding Raila from the gallows despite there being a strong case for his hanging? The more I read about the coup, the more puzzled I get about Moi. Could it be he had deep respect for Jaramogi? Could it be he viewed the Odingas as possible future allies(which they became in the next decade)? Or was it a case of avoiding to touch one community's royal family? I find Moi a Godly Man, and it's highly probable that he worked for the greater good of our nation state, and that in this case he found balance in the presence of the Odingas. For, had he killed Raila, then enemy forces would be concentrated on him, and government fall on unsteady hands. I'm also puzzled that he spared Matiba's life. Or was he as good as dead when they released him from detention? You vannot compare the two. Moi would have beeen justified to hang both Odinga the father and Odinga the son. What happpened to matiba was wrong The governor is always faced with the task of balancing the forces around him, and at all times is constrained by the sacred ideas that animate the body politic. King David couldn't build the temple, for his hands were bloodied. Yet a Governors' greatest achievement is the temple. It is the Constraint.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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McReggae wrote:mawinder wrote:McReggae wrote:Lolest! wrote:mcrege, i have never read of this angle that you're bringing out. I have read the story from various sources and not once did it come out. Not even in Raila's biography. Though there is one account which soldiers are said to contemplate a kefake presidency! Bro it's a story of different demographics pursuing stuff differently.....to answer you MO1 had all the details....his actions were based on the facts that he had. Ditto.Some peopple do not understand that Moi wanted to get rid of people like Charles and he was privy to the whole plot. Thank you @Mwainder. If am getting you right either the coup.was stage managed or MO1 knew about it but let the guys continue with the plans and final implementation knowing the uprising would be thwarted and in the process Sir Charles would become a black sheep... @Tycho how many prominent Kenyans died mysteriously during MO1s reign? possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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maka wrote:McReggae wrote:mawinder wrote:McReggae wrote:Lolest! wrote:mcrege, i have never read of this angle that you're bringing out. I have read the story from various sources and not once did it come out. Not even in Raila's biography. Though there is one account which soldiers are said to contemplate a kefake presidency! Bro it's a story of different demographics pursuing stuff differently.....to answer you MO1 had all the details....his actions were based on the facts that he had. Ditto.Some peopple do not understand that Moi wanted to get rid of people like Charles and he was privy to the whole plot. Thank you @Mwainder. If am getting you right either the coup.was stage managed or MO1 knew about it but let the guys continue with the plans and final implementation knowing the uprising would be thwarted and in the process Sir Charles would become a black sheep... @Tycho how many prominent Kenyans died mysteriously during MO1s reign? Conspiracy theorist at work. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/17/2010 Posts: 1,163 Location: Sudan
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And who masterminded the 1971 coup attempt? "Peace is our profession, War is our business" ...Unknown
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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I don't know the number, but those in the limelight have also not been few.
One that concerned me was that of Bishop Muge. It concerned me greatly because it came with a sort of public warning.
Or the Wagalla massacre. In all these Moi had tough choices to make, and all had their constraints and forces. For example, Wagalla happened because there was no idea to contain seperatist ideas. What was a governor to do?
History is written on the ink of blood till an all encompassing idea is found.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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MO1 never made a mistake.....he knew everything, the later day denominator would rather milk the story .....refusing to upgrade their knowledge of a very important occasion in the history of the country. ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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Baba Fidel,like always, did a shoddy job. And like always, alot of Kenyans paid for his incompetence. Aende avue samaki nyalgunga 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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guru267 wrote:The Luo were the second biggest tribe at the time and Oginga was their Jomo!
There is no way MO1 would have hang RAO while Oginga still drew breath and live to brag about it! And why hang RAO who was merely following daddy's orders??
Moi was the A-Z of Kenya. He could have hung both and Kenya would applaud. The world wouldn't question death penalty on coup plotters
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/30/2008 Posts: 6,029
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McReggae wrote:MO1 never made a mistake.....he knew everything, the later day denominator would rather milk the story .....refusing to upgrade their knowledge of a very important occasion in the history of the country. Leave them alone.Their knowledge of history is limited to the syllabus taught in school and passing the exams.They may as well as tell us Kenyatta fought for Uhuru yet he was in UK drinking and left even a son there who is alive.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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McReggae wrote:MO1 never made a mistake.....he knew everything, the later day denominator would rather milk the story .....refusing to upgrade their knowledge of a very important occasion in the history of the country. spill the beans as @kabz and @blazin are asking. Who are these other fellows? There has been a claim of parallel coup by Njonjo but never heard of 1 Kikuyu-Luo coup
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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mawinder wrote:McReggae wrote:MO1 never made a mistake.....he knew everything, the later day denominator would rather milk the story .....refusing to upgrade their knowledge of a very important occasion in the history of the country. Leave them alone.Their knowledge of history is limited to the syllabus taught in school and passing the exams.They may as well as tell us Kenyatta fought for Uhuru yet he was in UK drinking and left even a son there who is alive. How do you benefit by saying others have refused to learn yet you are hoarding what you know? Not unless it's just a conspiracy theory. Btw, the 82 coup isn't mentioned in history books but we still are curious to know more about it.
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