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Mukiri
#21 Posted : Wednesday, June 12, 2013 7:13:52 PM
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masukuma wrote:
limanika wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
Mind detailing the sizes eg
Asia - 44.6M SqKMs
Africa - 30M SqKMs
North America - 24.6M SqKMs
South America - 17.8M SqKMs
Antarctica - 13.2M SqKMs
Europe - 9.9M SqKMs
Australia/Oceania - 8M SqKMs

My only question would be why does Asia, with only 10M more sq kms have 60% of the worlds population? And four times that of Africa? Is it coz the English never colonized them?


possibly disease!

Why population of India and China is comparatively high:
.They were able to discover medicine for most of common diseases long ago, hence low mortality rates
.Due to hostility of Muslims and the fact that Africa was conjoined to Asia, Europeans could not reach India / China on a massive scale till 15th Century. Their populations were thus preserved from the disruptive Europeans
.Their Society was more homogeneous hence less internal conflicts = less mortality rates
.There were fewer wild animals = less mortality rates
.They were not transported to other continents as slaves
Africa was the exact opposite till 20th century; slave trade took away a huge chunk of healthy population.
Native Americans were wiped out by European diseases

in the scheme of things Native Americans received the short end of the stick! Heck people even forget about them!

England as tiny as it is has caused untold suffering the world over! In addition there were and still continue to be monetary system giants. Is there something special in that country? Food, air, bigger brain size etc

Proverbs 19:21
Muheani
#22 Posted : Wednesday, June 12, 2013 7:18:05 PM
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Njung'e
#23 Posted : Wednesday, June 12, 2013 7:19:49 PM
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Flipping the globe won't just work coz the earth's axis does not run horizontally through the equator but vertically (or vertically inclined through the equator)The poles are nothing but reference points in relation to the equator while facing "North"and thus was born East and West....Africans had a away of defining East and West,thus in my community,reference was the sun's position hence,"ithuiro" for West and "Irathiro" for East......Just a moment.It's the Earth which rotates and in which direction?.If we faced South and reffered to our East as West and vice-versa,wouldn't we be implying that it's the sun which is rotating viz a stationary Earth?....or wouldn't we be going back in time instead of being on top of time?......Anyway,i still would be confused coz if i took the Greenwich line all the way to dead top,my North would be any direction since the point rotates on zero circumference.......ooops.I am tired of thinking!....Wapi Mukiha?
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masukuma
#24 Posted : Wednesday, June 12, 2013 7:46:34 PM
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Njung'e wrote:
Flipping the globe won't just work coz the earth's axis does not run horizontally through thr equator but vertically (or vertically inclined to the equator)The poles are nothing but reference points in relation to the equator while facing "North"and thus was born East and West....Africans had a away of defining East and West,thus in my community,reference was the sun's position hence,"ithuiro" for West and "Irathiro" for East......Just a moment.It's the Earth which rotates and in which direction?.If we faced South and reffered to our East as West and vice-versa,wouldn't we be implying that it's the sun which is rotating viz a stationary Earth?.......Anyway,i still would be confused coz if i took the Greenwich line all the way to dead top,my North would be any direction since the point rotates on zero circumference.......ooops.I am tired of thinking!....Wapi Mukiha?

lol.... as i said
Quote:

Think about it... in the great expanse of space - there is no north, no south, no east and no west! no horizontal and no vertical. no top and no bottom! no point of reference to deduce these directional things!


The earth is tilted at a 23.5 degree angle perpendicular to our orbit around the sun.


using my quotation above as a reference it means if we were 'aliens' approaching the solar system we could approach it from any angle and it would not the traditional view i.e.


it could be

or it could be

or


there is no plane of reference except where you are coming from.
ps. the photo I attached at the beginning was the original photo taken by Apollo 17 before it was changed to fit the orientation propagated by maps
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Njung'e
#25 Posted : Wednesday, June 12, 2013 8:22:51 PM
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@Masukuma,
All this i getsmile .....but i am not diasppointed by the photo as such since in our case,there is no top (or the top is virtual.Just in our minds.Many who will see this will wonder what the hell the damn Apollo was doing "below" the Earth).It's the same thing again.If you gave Wazuans a gun to shoot the moon,i am certain 99.99% would aim the gun straight to the moon and fire!

As for the maps....Well.Every day is a learning day!
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murchr
#26 Posted : Thursday, June 13, 2013 8:06:10 AM
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The size of Texas and that of Kenya are relatively the same, but if u look at the map, Kenya looks like a tiny rag....plays well with our psychology, they think "BIG" we think "small"
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masukuma
#27 Posted : Thursday, June 13, 2013 8:39:17 AM
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murchr wrote:
The size of Texas and that of Kenya are relatively the same, but if u look at the map, Kenya looks like a tiny rag....plays well with our psychology, they think "BIG" we think "small"

our brains have been messed with for so long!


Greenland takes as much space on the map as Africa, when in reality Africa's area is 14 times greater and Greenland's area is comparable to Algeria's alone.
Alaska takes as much area on the map as Brazil, when Brazil's area is nearly five times that of Alaska.
Finland appears with a greater north-south extent than India, although India's is greater.
Antarctica appears as the biggest continent, although it is actually the fifth in terms of area.
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masukuma
#28 Posted : Thursday, June 13, 2013 9:18:11 AM
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it is my argument that all these 'images' have had a negative impact on africa not only to the eyes of the western world but by africans themselves. images such as this represent Africa's perception of itself

plague our minds about Africa and even some parts of Kenya. I always ask myself - before these humanitarian organizations came to be - who was feeding Africans? I mean depending on who you ask we have 'plagued' this continent for thousands of years. Turkana did not suddenly become 'a desert' in the 80s. The turkana move into what is now known as the turkana basin some 200-300 years ago - who was feeding them?
Our image has taken a beating - if it is not hunger, its war in the more arable areas of Africa, if not war its Aids if not Aids its tribalism and tribal anarchy. its shocking that even in the eyes of Africans themselves we convince ourselves that 'we would have been further ahead' if only the colonialist stayed for longer! what we forget is that colonialism did not only bring roads and buildings but also brought forced labour, heavy taxation, and swift and vengeful violence for any insurrection. Development was essentially organised to extract cheap cash crops and natural resources for use by the colonial powers. To facilitate easy administration, tribal differences and rivalries were exploited to the full, and Africans who refused to assimilate to the culture of their overlords were kept out of the market economy and the education system - the once glorious ethnic group the Maasai is a testament to this. Our 'tribalism' is actually a by product of colonialism. Our country was divided into ethnic blocks where certain ethnic groups live. Super tribes like the Kalenjin and Luhya were invented in the 1940s to balkanize people.

its time we took control of our destiny - we have no friends! for the last 300 years African labour build the 'new world' and now our minerals and wealth is building the east! Zindukeni and determine the future you want your kids to live in. Self sufficiency is the only way out! the only way to get some respect around here.
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bkismat
#29 Posted : Thursday, June 13, 2013 9:30:51 AM
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So the GOK has been paying the pensions for the colonial civil servants? Some thing are just unbelievable.
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urstill
#30 Posted : Thursday, June 13, 2013 10:35:58 AM
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A question I never got an answer! When in exactly north pole position, can one still say there's north? Same question applies to south pole. As for East-West, I can reason with that!!
Sometimes I usually feel that we should do away with these western style of doing things. It is ripping our continent apart. For example, personally, I have decided my marriage is African. Hakuna kiherehre mingi ya wedding, sijui honeymoon.
Furthermore, come to think of it, back in the days as a kid, I never heard of sijui mother's day, anniversaries, presents left and center,etc yet our mothers and fathers lived happily "ever after" unlike these days with all that junk into the relationship.
Man must live!
Tokyo
#31 Posted : Thursday, June 13, 2013 10:36:52 AM
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T-Bag wrote:
What T*&%$#*! Aha moment! Japan that size produces all these cars, electronics on the African roads/houses and the scrap metal everywhere in a Africa to boot?


Japan is 2/3 size of kenya with more than three times Kenya's population .70% mountainous and only around 20% habitable in a hostile corner of the globe
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Mukiri
#32 Posted : Thursday, June 13, 2013 11:06:18 AM
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Tokyo wrote:
T-Bag wrote:
What T*&%$#*! Aha moment! Japan that size produces all these cars, electronics on the African roads/houses and the scrap metal everywhere in a Africa to boot?


Japan is 2/3 size of kenya with more than three times Kenya's population .70% mountainous and only around 20% habitable in a hostile corner of the globe

Now that one thinks about it, Necessity is the mother of invention. I asked about England.. how a tiny country can cause so much suffering, how they remain financial giants. Japan is clearly illuminated in the comment above. England must have realized the disadvantaged position they were in and opted to exploit the world. Japan opted to be innovative. While we in Africa in our abundance took a chill pill and opted to let others do the thinking for us!

Change starts from within. This is my declaration 'I will produce that which I consume. I will make money from selling its excess. I will not direct my efforts to bettering a parasite/user to my detriment'

Thank you @Magigi for 'Man's search for meaning' by Viktor Frankl. He who wrote 'Don't aim at success. The more you aim at it and make it a target, the more you are going to miss it. For success, like happiness, cannot be pursued; it must ensue, and it only does so as the unintended side-effect of one's dedication to a cause greater than oneself or as the by-product of one's surrender to God'

Proverbs 19:21
limanika
#33 Posted : Thursday, June 13, 2013 11:46:43 AM
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Mukiri wrote:
Tokyo wrote:
T-Bag wrote:
What T*&%$#*! Aha moment! Japan that size produces all these cars, electronics on the African roads/houses and the scrap metal everywhere in a Africa to boot?


Japan is 2/3 size of kenya with more than three times Kenya's population .70% mountainous and only around 20% habitable in a hostile corner of the globe

Now that one thinks about it, Necessity is the mother of invention. I asked about England.. how a tiny country can cause so much suffering, how they remain financial giants. Japan is clearly illuminated in the comment above. England must have realized the disadvantaged position they were in and opted to exploit the world. Japan opted to be innovative. While we in Africa in our abundance took a chill pill and opted to let others do the thinking for us!

Change starts from within. This is my declaration 'I will produce that which I consume. I will make money from selling its excess. I will not direct my efforts to bettering a parasite/user to my detriment'

Thank you @Magigi for 'Man's search for meaning' by Viktor Frankl. He who wrote 'Don't aim at success. The more you aim at it and make it a target, the more you are going to miss it. For success, like happiness, cannot be pursued; it must ensue, and it only does so as the unintended side-effect of one's dedication to a cause greater than oneself or as the by-product of one's surrender to God'


We have had a superpower at any one time in human history. Spain, Portugal, Rome, Britain, Greece, USA etc have had their turn. It so happened that Britain’s opportunity to be superpower was, maybe accidentally, preceded by industrial revolution which opened new opportunities in international commerce. There were also major breakthroughs in science, making it easier to travel long distances across oceans more safely and in much lesser time. For these and other reasons Britain was able to create a larger empire than any of the preceding superpowers. With advent of globalisation and civilisation, the duty of superpower is limited to creating deterrence and maintaining global peace and security, something the US of A is not doing well. Who will be the next superpower after USA?
masukuma
#34 Posted : Thursday, June 13, 2013 12:23:58 PM
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limanika wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
Tokyo wrote:
T-Bag wrote:
What T*&%$#*! Aha moment! Japan that size produces all these cars, electronics on the African roads/houses and the scrap metal everywhere in a Africa to boot?


Japan is 2/3 size of kenya with more than three times Kenya's population .70% mountainous and only around 20% habitable in a hostile corner of the globe

Now that one thinks about it, Necessity is the mother of invention. I asked about England.. how a tiny country can cause so much suffering, how they remain financial giants. Japan is clearly illuminated in the comment above. England must have realized the disadvantaged position they were in and opted to exploit the world. Japan opted to be innovative. While we in Africa in our abundance took a chill pill and opted to let others do the thinking for us!

Change starts from within. This is my declaration 'I will produce that which I consume. I will make money from selling its excess. I will not direct my efforts to bettering a parasite/user to my detriment'

Thank you @Magigi for 'Man's search for meaning' by Viktor Frankl. He who wrote 'Don't aim at success. The more you aim at it and make it a target, the more you are going to miss it. For success, like happiness, cannot be pursued; it must ensue, and it only does so as the unintended side-effect of one's dedication to a cause greater than oneself or as the by-product of one's surrender to God'


We have had a superpower at any one time in human history. Spain, Portugal, Rome, Britain, Greece, USA etc have had their turn. It so happened that Britain’s opportunity to be superpower was, maybe accidentally, preceded by industrial revolution which opened new opportunities in international commerce. There were also major breakthroughs in science, making it easier to travel long distances across oceans more safely and in much lesser time. For these and other reasons Britain was able to create a larger empire than any of the preceding superpowers. With advent of globalisation and civilisation, the duty of superpower is limited to creating deterrence and maintaining global peace and security, something the US of A is not doing well. Who will be the next superpower after USA?

possibly china then later Brazil after that depending on how we 'panga' ourselves - Africa
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masukuma
#35 Posted : Thursday, June 13, 2013 12:30:14 PM
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Tokyo wrote:
T-Bag wrote:
What T*&%$#*! Aha moment! Japan that size produces all these cars, electronics on the African roads/houses and the scrap metal everywhere in a Africa to boot?


Japan is 2/3 size of kenya with more than three times Kenya's population .70% mountainous and only around 20% habitable in a hostile corner of the globe

its on the ring of fire and suffers as many as 1500 earthquakes a year! Minor tremors occur almost daily in one part of the country or another, causing slight shaking of buildings.
From my studies of human civilization so far these are the factors of 'growth'
1. population
2. unity with the population
3. adapting stronger aspects of other people's cultures and domesticating them.
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limanika
#36 Posted : Thursday, June 13, 2013 12:37:39 PM
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masukuma wrote:
Tokyo wrote:
T-Bag wrote:
What T*&%$#*! Aha moment! Japan that size produces all these cars, electronics on the African roads/houses and the scrap metal everywhere in a Africa to boot?


Japan is 2/3 size of kenya with more than three times Kenya's population .70% mountainous and only around 20% habitable in a hostile corner of the globe

its on the ring of fire and suffers as many as 1500 earthquakes a year! Minor tremors occur almost daily in one part of the country or another, causing slight shaking of buildings.
From my studies of human civilization so far these are the factors of 'growth'
1. population
2. unity with the population
3. adapting stronger aspects of other people's cultures and domesticating them.

In modern times you have to add strong economy and military. It is almost assured that the country with the strongest economy and military will always be the superpower. If you separate the two and have situation where the strongest country in economy terms is not the strongest in military terms, like we could see in our generation, then you enter a transition phase which is bound to be very uncomfortable
Mukiri
#37 Posted : Thursday, June 13, 2013 4:12:55 PM
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Super power is for what? Is it needed? 666=end of times=new world order=super power

Proverbs 19:21
Magigi
#38 Posted : Thursday, June 13, 2013 4:20:49 PM
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masukuma wrote:
limanika wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
Tokyo wrote:
T-Bag wrote:
What T*&%$#*! Aha moment! Japan that size produces all these cars, electronics on the African roads/houses and the scrap metal everywhere in a Africa to boot?


Japan is 2/3 size of kenya with more than three times Kenya's population .70% mountainous and only around 20% habitable in a hostile corner of the globe

Now that one thinks about it, Necessity is the mother of invention. I asked about England.. how a tiny country can cause so much suffering, how they remain financial giants. Japan is clearly illuminated in the comment above. England must have realized the disadvantaged position they were in and opted to exploit the world. Japan opted to be innovative. While we in Africa in our abundance took a chill pill and opted to let others do the thinking for us!

Change starts from within. This is my declaration 'I will produce that which I consume. I will make money from selling its excess. I will not direct my efforts to bettering a parasite/user to my detriment'

Thank you @Magigi for 'Man's search for meaning' by Viktor Frankl. He who wrote 'Don't aim at success. The more you aim at it and make it a target, the more you are going to miss it. For success, like happiness, cannot be pursued; it must ensue, and it only does so as the unintended side-effect of one's dedication to a cause greater than oneself or as the by-product of one's surrender to God'


We have had a superpower at any one time in human history. Spain, Portugal, Rome, Britain, Greece, USA etc have had their turn. It so happened that Britain’s opportunity to be superpower was, maybe accidentally, preceded by industrial revolution which opened new opportunities in international commerce. There were also major breakthroughs in science, making it easier to travel long distances across oceans more safely and in much lesser time. For these and other reasons Britain was able to create a larger empire than any of the preceding superpowers. With advent of globalisation and civilisation, the duty of superpower is limited to creating deterrence and maintaining global peace and security, something the US of A is not doing well. Who will be the next superpower after USA?

possibly china then later Brazil after that depending on how we 'panga' ourselves - Africa

@Mukiri... a very inspiring book... Will look for this one too...Don't aim at success
masukuma
#39 Posted : Thursday, June 13, 2013 7:33:07 PM
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Mukiri wrote:
Tokyo wrote:
T-Bag wrote:
What T*&%$#*! Aha moment! Japan that size produces all these cars, electronics on the African roads/houses and the scrap metal everywhere in a Africa to boot?


Japan is 2/3 size of kenya with more than three times Kenya's population .70% mountainous and only around 20% habitable in a hostile corner of the globe

Now that one thinks about it, Necessity is the mother of invention. I asked about England.. how a tiny country can cause so much suffering, how they remain financial giants. Japan is clearly illuminated in the comment above. England must have realized the disadvantaged position they were in and opted to exploit the world. Japan opted to be innovative. While we in Africa in our abundance took a chill pill and opted to let others do the thinking for us!

Change starts from within. This is my declaration 'I will produce that which I consume. I will make money from selling its excess. I will not direct my efforts to bettering a parasite/user to my detriment'

Thank you @Magigi for 'Man's search for meaning' by Viktor Frankl. He who wrote 'Don't aim at success. The more you aim at it and make it a target, the more you are going to miss it. For success, like happiness, cannot be pursued; it must ensue, and it only does so as the unintended side-effect of one's dedication to a cause greater than oneself or as the by-product of one's surrender to God'


that indeed is the secret of success!
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Tokyo
#40 Posted : Friday, June 14, 2013 5:59:47 AM
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Africa will grow and develop. But the gap between rich a poor will widen.
Reasons?
For an economy to grow EQually/ equitably to all , you need only three factor
1. Justice- rule of law to all
2. Services- infrastructure etc. tax money working appropriately
3. Security- both to people and their property according to law.
Provide Africa and Kenyan with above and they develop in one generation.

Otherwise what's happening is a kid's growing but bones and internal organs not developing.
I heard Cape Town to Lagos - 6hrs. But cheapest is through Dubai and connect 23hrs
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