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Mocality shutting down!
wanyee
#21 Posted : Monday, February 18, 2013 3:59:32 PM
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Actually the challenge in the scenario would be how to convert the average "mulika Mwizi" phone into a m-commerce gadget..that can be used to search and select goods evaluate pricing and even allow multi media interaction..some few guys could play around with its architecture to allow that..impossible?...
alma
#22 Posted : Tuesday, February 19, 2013 8:27:06 AM
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wanyee wrote:
Actually the challenge in the scenario would be how to convert the average "mulika Mwizi" phone into a m-commerce gadget..that can be used to search and select goods evaluate pricing and even allow multi media interaction..some few guys could play around with its architecture to allow that..impossible?...


Again we are overthinking.

Mocality did not fail because they didn't have a mobile solution. They failed because they did not have enough business.

Business is simple and has always been

Buy at price X + Get people interested in X + Sell to people at price (x+y%)

How you do that is the details.

I guess the problem with most of us business people is that we are so stuck up on the details we forget the business.
Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
ChessMaster
#23 Posted : Tuesday, February 19, 2013 10:32:14 AM
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alma wrote:
wanyee wrote:
Actually the challenge in the scenario would be how to convert the average "mulika Mwizi" phone into a m-commerce gadget..that can be used to search and select goods evaluate pricing and even allow multi media interaction..some few guys could play around with its architecture to allow that..impossible?...


Again we are overthinking.

Mocality did not fail because they didn't have a mobile solution. They failed because they did not have enough business.

Business is simple and has always been

Buy at price X + Get people interested in X + Sell to people at price (x+y%)

How you do that is the details.

I guess the problem with most of us business people is that we are so stuck up on the details we forget the business.

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@wanyee - Feature phones will be replaced by smartphones especially because of apps like whatsapp but you'll still be left with a problem like alma said,business.
Uncertainty is certain.Let go
wanyee
#24 Posted : Tuesday, February 19, 2013 11:53:51 AM
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ChessMaster wrote:
alma wrote:
wanyee wrote:
Actually the challenge in the scenario would be how to convert the average "mulika Mwizi" phone into a m-commerce gadget..that can be used to search and select goods evaluate pricing and even allow multi media interaction..some few guys could play around with its architecture to allow that..impossible?...


Again we are overthinking.

Mocality did not fail because they didn't have a mobile solution. They failed because they did not have enough business.

Business is simple and has always been

Buy at price X + Get people interested in X + Sell to people at price (x+y%)

How you do that is the details.

I guess the problem with most of us business people is that we are so stuck up on the details we forget the business.

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@wanyee - Feature phones will be replaced by smartphones especially because of apps like whatsapp but you'll still be left with a problem like alma said,business.


I concur but i thought i was addressing that problem by involving more people( with "tumulika mwizis" ) into the "business" because people are buying goods at the moment ...--->business ,,just that they are not using the method of Mocality ..i.e via the web.
wanyee
#25 Posted : Tuesday, February 19, 2013 11:57:00 AM
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Then the problem would why didnt they have enough business ..i think penetration and kenyans are obsessed with their tu phones and sms remember that sms lottery thing 5555 or something?Think Think Think Think
ChessMaster
#26 Posted : Tuesday, February 19, 2013 12:02:06 PM
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wanyee wrote:
ChessMaster wrote:
alma wrote:
wanyee wrote:
Actually the challenge in the scenario would be how to convert the average "mulika Mwizi" phone into a m-commerce gadget..that can be used to search and select goods evaluate pricing and even allow multi media interaction..some few guys could play around with its architecture to allow that..impossible?...


Again we are overthinking.

Mocality did not fail because they didn't have a mobile solution. They failed because they did not have enough business.

Business is simple and has always been

Buy at price X + Get people interested in X + Sell to people at price (x+y%)

How you do that is the details.

I guess the problem with most of us business people is that we are so stuck up on the details we forget the business.

Applause Applause Applause Applause

@wanyee - Feature phones will be replaced by smartphones especially because of apps like whatsapp but you'll still be left with a problem like alma said,business.


I concur but i thought i was addressing that problem by involving more people( with "tumulika mwizis" ) into the "business" because people are buying goods at the moment ...--->business ,,just that they are not using the method of Mocality ..i.e via the web.


I'm on the same page with you.Waiting for people to shift so M-commerce can take off. One reason though I agree with alma is that there are some issues even if people convert.For one thing,Kenyans love bargaining and that needs to be addressed when it comes to M/E-commerce.There is an opportunity but business sense will convert that opportunity into money.

I wonder why mocality didn't focus on mobile solutions,it is the dominant means of access to the web for Africans.
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ChessMaster
#27 Posted : Tuesday, February 19, 2013 12:06:29 PM
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wanyee wrote:
Then the problem would why didnt they have enough business ..i think penetration and kenya are obsessed with their tu phones and sms remeber that sms lottery thing 5555 or something?


The lottery things are more about making easy money. I think they didn't focus on understanding how Kenyans relate with the web and what they are comfortable to do with it.I don't know about the deals side of the business but seriously,if your are doing something that works on location shouldn't you also focus on a GPS app and promote it well.
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wanyee
#28 Posted : Tuesday, February 19, 2013 12:10:37 PM
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ChessMaster wrote:
wanyee wrote:
ChessMaster wrote:
alma wrote:
wanyee wrote:
Actually the challenge in the scenario would be how to convert the average "mulika Mwizi" phone into a m-commerce gadget..that can be used to search and select goods evaluate pricing and even allow multi media interaction..some few guys could play around with its architecture to allow that..impossible?...


Again we are overthinking.

Mocality did not fail because they didn't have a mobile solution. They failed because they did not have enough business.

Business is simple and has always been

Buy at price X + Get people interested in X + Sell to people at price (x+y%)

How you do that is the details.

I guess the problem with most of us business people is that we are so stuck up on the details we forget the business.

Applause Applause Applause Applause

@wanyee - Feature phones will be replaced by smartphones especially because of apps like whatsapp but you'll still be left with a problem like alma said,business.


I concur but i thought i was addressing that problem by involving more people( with "tumulika mwizis" ) into the "business" because people are buying goods at the moment ...--->business ,,just that they are not using the method of Mocality ..i.e via the web.


I'm on the same page with you.Waiting for people to shift so M-commerce can take off. One reason though I agree with alma is that there are some issues even if people convert.For one thing,Kenyans love bargaining and that needs to be addressed when it comes to M/E-commerce.There is an opportunity but business sense will convert that opportunity into money.

I wonder why mocality didn't focus on mobile solutions,it is the dominant means of access to the web for Africans.

In terms of placing bids...the same thing sms bidding am sure if a good coder gets the pseudo-code right an exciting gaming -like process where a customer can be c̶o̶n̶f̶u̶s̶e̶d̶ convinced that they got a good bargain remember Kenyans like to feel that way
ChessMaster
#29 Posted : Tuesday, February 19, 2013 12:17:01 PM
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wanyee wrote:
ChessMaster wrote:
wanyee wrote:
ChessMaster wrote:
alma wrote:
wanyee wrote:
Actually the challenge in the scenario would be how to convert the average "mulika Mwizi" phone into a m-commerce gadget..that can be used to search and select goods evaluate pricing and even allow multi media interaction..some few guys could play around with its architecture to allow that..impossible?...


Again we are overthinking.

Mocality did not fail because they didn't have a mobile solution. They failed because they did not have enough business.

Business is simple and has always been

Buy at price X + Get people interested in X + Sell to people at price (x+y%)

How you do that is the details.

I guess the problem with most of us business people is that we are so stuck up on the details we forget the business.

Applause Applause Applause Applause

@wanyee - Feature phones will be replaced by smartphones especially because of apps like whatsapp but you'll still be left with a problem like alma said,business.


I concur but i thought i was addressing that problem by involving more people( with "tumulika mwizis" ) into the "business" because people are buying goods at the moment ...--->business ,,just that they are not using the method of Mocality ..i.e via the web.


I'm on the same page with you.Waiting for people to shift so M-commerce can take off. One reason though I agree with alma is that there are some issues even if people convert.For one thing,Kenyans love bargaining and that needs to be addressed when it comes to M/E-commerce.There is an opportunity but business sense will convert that opportunity into money.

I wonder why mocality didn't focus on mobile solutions,it is the dominant means of access to the web for Africans.

In terms of placing bids...the same thing sms bidding am sure if a good coder gets the pseudo-code right an exciting gaming -like process where a customer can be c̶o̶n̶f̶u̶s̶e̶d̶ convinced that they got a good bargain remember Kenyans like to feel that way


Surprisingly 'gamification' is being taken up by business. I think what would work in Kenya is a site that doesn't tell attract sellers but buyers.Basically you come to tell people what you want then you let the sellers fight over your business. The sellers with the best prices and quality will eventually flourish and the buyer gets a good price.Just an idea.Though,you would also have to think of how to filter out the crooks.
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deadpoet
#30 Posted : Tuesday, February 19, 2013 12:55:46 PM
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Mocality deals should have focused exclusively on booze!
wanyee
#31 Posted : Tuesday, February 19, 2013 12:59:33 PM
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Its sounds like an online web Mall where you let the seller put up stores...in the lines of My-space ...Yes crooks ....they will be there..

it can as simple as scrolling ticker of prices with the option of selecting and bidding hope am not over thinking heresmile
KenyanLyrics
#32 Posted : Tuesday, February 19, 2013 1:00:56 PM
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The answers here are very informed. Wazuans clearly understand the internet.
I share the opinion that high cash burn was the cause of death of Mocality. The business model was fine, and its evident to me that they were making money. Deals and ads were selling on the site. They were probably making a few hundred thousand per month. Problem is, from information I have gathered, that would cover the salary of only one executive at Mocality.
I think this problem can be solved by Naspers stopping their approach of doing startups as internal company projects. Their employees will always ask for high salaries and posh offices which kill the startup. Instead, Naspers should take all the money they have for new projects and invest in younger, cheaper tech talent in the respective countries.
ChessMaster
#33 Posted : Tuesday, February 19, 2013 1:13:27 PM
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KenyanLyrics wrote:
The answers here are very informed. Wazuans clearly understand the internet.
I share the opinion that high cash burn was the cause of death of Mocality. The business model was fine, and its evident to me that they were making money. Deals and ads were selling on the site. They were probably making a few hundred thousand per month. Problem is, from information I have gathered, that would cover the salary of only one executive at Mocality.
I think this problem can be solved by Naspers stopping their approach of doing startups as internal company projects. Their employees will always ask for high salaries and posh offices which kill the startup. Instead, Naspers should take all the money they have for new projects and invest in younger, cheaper tech talent in the respective countries.


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Wah,thats a shocker.But now you've got me and a lot of other techies interested.It means if you can lower your costs to a few people you can harvest where the big boys can't.
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ChessMaster
#34 Posted : Tuesday, February 19, 2013 1:44:20 PM
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@wanyee - How would you deal with distribution to flats?Because of the way Kenyans have built them in some areas I find it a major hurdle.
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alma
#35 Posted : Tuesday, February 19, 2013 2:18:25 PM
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Agreed with you Kenyanlyrics. Their execs are recycled overpaid "marketing" fellows. I once asked one of them why they were using a billboard and he told me "for visibility". Therein lies the problem.

Visibility to whom?

Poor people walking to work and seeing a billboard can see you, but are they your customers?

That's also the problem with this mobile thingi. So what if 1million mobile users can access my products or services. If they can't afford it, I'm talking to the wrong people.

I'm not a believer in mobile apps, nor websites nor lack of websites.

I'm a believer that these are just tools to complement business.

If my customers will buy my shoe through a mobile app, then I will create it. But I will not create a mobile app simply because there are a lot of shoeless Kenyans who will find it easy to buy the shoe. What if they can't afford the shoe?

Technology is not the solution to problems. It is a means to reduce work load of a solution.

If I have a shop, I must first make a profit from that shop. So I know that if I buy x and sell at y I make a profit.

Only then will I scale up. Scale up may mean I open another shop, open a branch in Uganda, create a website so more people can see my product and even create an app.

But the business must come first. That is why many tech firms fail. They have no business from day 1 but grand solutions to problems that don't exist. Someone say m-farm, m-kesho, m-xxxx, m-nobusiness idea.

Now add the iHub NGO mentality and you have a recipe for disaster. I'm hundred percent sure that the first online venture to take off in Kenya will be done by a mama mboga.
Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
wanyee
#36 Posted : Tuesday, February 19, 2013 3:13:08 PM
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ChessMaster wrote:
@wanyee - How would you deal with distribution to flats?Because of the way Kenyans have built them in some areas I find it a major hurdle.

it depends ....see how Zuku are all over the place may be a subscription based address system where the caretaker gives a pigeon hole/box as an incentive for any mail/parcel delivery ..then the distribution company can rent our a small room for these at every convenient located flat or even franchise it to nearby Kiosk/ mpesa the same way KPLC pre-paid services are being done..d'oh! Think
i over-thought that onesmile
wanyee
#37 Posted : Tuesday, February 19, 2013 3:17:02 PM
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ChessMaster wrote:
@wanyee - How would you deal with distribution to flats?Because of the way Kenyans have built them in some areas I find it a major hurdle.

A supply chain management specialist can come with an elaborate advice may be
wanyee
#38 Posted : Tuesday, February 19, 2013 3:26:36 PM
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G4S parcel services have delivery truck stationed in some areas like westlands for parcel delivery... that may work having a van station in a given locality for sub-delivery then last mile can be done via foot-bikes ....mimic the supply chain of street pharmacists in the US or in our local case the weed dealer
ChessMaster
#39 Posted : Tuesday, February 19, 2013 5:18:23 PM
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alma wrote:
Agreed with you Kenyanlyrics. Their execs are recycled overpaid "marketing" fellows. I once asked one of them why they were using a billboard and he told me "for visibility". Therein lies the problem.

Visibility to whom?

Poor people walking to work and seeing a billboard can see you, but are they your customers?

That's also the problem with this mobile thingi. So what if 1million mobile users can access my products or services. If they can't afford it, I'm talking to the wrong people.

I'm not a believer in mobile apps, nor websites nor lack of websites.

I'm a believer that these are just tools to complement business.

If my customers will buy my shoe through a mobile app, then I will create it. But I will not create a mobile app simply because there are a lot of shoeless Kenyans who will find it easy to buy the shoe. What if they can't afford the shoe?

Technology is nohttp://wazua.co.ke/Images/Emoticons/eusa_clap.gift the solution to problems. It is a means to reduce work load of a solution.

If I have a shop, I must first make a profit from that shop. So I know that if I buy x and sell at y I make a profit.

Only then will I scale up. Scale up may mean I open another shop, open a branch in Uganda, create a website so more people can see my product and even create an app.

But the business must come first. That is why many tech firms fail. They have no business from day 1 but grand solutions to problems that don't exist. Someone say m-farm, m-kesho, m-xxxx, m-nobusiness idea.

Now add the iHub NGO mentality and you have a recipe for disaster. I'm hundred percent sure that the first online venture to take off in Kenya will be done by a mama mboga.


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Spot on.
Uncertainty is certain.Let go
ChessMaster
#40 Posted : Tuesday, February 19, 2013 5:20:43 PM
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wanyee wrote:
G4S parcel services have delivery truck stationed in some areas like westlands for parcel delivery... that may work having a van station in a given locality for sub-delivery then last mile can be done via foot-bikes ....mimic the supply chain of street pharmacists in the US or in our local case the weed dealer


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Thought of something similar. This is one tough nut to crack.
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