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Horton
#21 Posted : Sunday, November 04, 2012 9:37:26 AM
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guru267 wrote:
Pesa Nane wrote:
LiarThe projected population will be a poorer population and that does not translate to 'traditional' opportunity growth.Shame on you


1. Is this a logical statement??
2. Is Kenyas middle class growing or shrinking?? 3. Have you ever had of vision 2030??
4. Do you have an example of any peaceful & growing country that has a population which is poorer than they were 20years ago??



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#22 Posted : Sunday, November 04, 2012 12:23:29 PM
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Horton wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Pesa Nane wrote:
LiarThe projected population will be a poorer population and that does not translate to 'traditional' opportunity growth.Shame on you


1. Is this a logical statement??
2. Is Kenyas middle class growing or shrinking?? 3. Have you ever had of vision 2030??
4. Do you have an example of any peaceful & growing country that has a population which is poorer than they were 20years ago??



Nigeria

Sad Shame on you Shame on you . i cant seriously believe u cited Nigeria as a peaceful nation. have u heard of boco haram & the sectarian violence in that country...
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#23 Posted : Sunday, November 04, 2012 4:19:51 PM
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Horton wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Pesa Nane wrote:
LiarThe projected population will be a poorer population and that does not translate to 'traditional' opportunity growth.Shame on you


1. Is this a logical statement??
2. Is Kenyas middle class growing or shrinking?? 3. Have you ever had of vision 2030??
4. Do you have an example of any peaceful & growing country that has a population which is poorer than they were 20years ago??



Nigeria


its in appalling that you think Nigeria has had peace for the last 20years!!

Go read a book or at least open Google Shame on you Liar
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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#24 Posted : Sunday, November 04, 2012 5:36:26 PM
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The topic is about Kenya not Nigeria.Let us not deviate from the topic.
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Horton
#25 Posted : Sunday, November 04, 2012 10:30:50 PM
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guru267 wrote:
Horton wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Pesa Nane wrote:
LiarThe projected population will be a poorer population and that does not translate to 'traditional' opportunity growth.Shame on you


1. Is this a logical statement??
2. Is Kenyas middle class growing or shrinking?? 3. Have you ever had of vision 2030??
4. Do you have an example of any peaceful & growing country that has a population which is poorer than they were 20years ago??



Nigeria


its in appalling that you think Nigeria has had peace for the last 20years!!

Go read a book or at least open Google Shame on you Liar


Ohh my bad....true Nigeria wasnt relatively peaceful. Thanks Guru...speaking of reading books....u figured out what a combined ratio is? Laughing out loudly


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tony stark
#26 Posted : Monday, November 05, 2012 12:30:23 AM
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Horton wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Horton wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Pesa Nane wrote:
LiarThe projected population will be a poorer population and that does not translate to 'traditional' opportunity growth.Shame on you


1. Is this a logical statement??
2. Is Kenyas middle class growing or shrinking?? 3. Have you ever had of vision 2030??
4. Do you have an example of any peaceful & growing country that has a population which is poorer than they were 20years ago??



Nigeria


its in appalling that you think Nigeria has had peace for the last 20years!!

Go read a book or at least open Google Shame on you Liar


Ohh my bad....true Nigeria wasnt relatively peaceful. Thanks Guru...speaking of reading books....u figured out what a combined ratio is? Laughing out loudly




You guys are comedians. Nigeria GDP will overtake SA in a few years. Nigeria GDP is over 10 times what it was 20 years ago.

http://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9_&met_y=ny_gnp_mktp_pp_cd&idim=country:NGA&dl=en&hl=en&q=nigeria+gni#!ctype=l&strail=false&bcs=d&nselm=h&met_y=ny_gdp_mktp_cd&scale_y=lin&ind_y=false&rdim=region&idim=country:NGA&ifdim=region&hl=en_US&dl=en&ind=false
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#27 Posted : Monday, November 05, 2012 11:52:07 AM
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tony stark wrote:
Horton wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Horton wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Pesa Nane wrote:
LiarThe projected population will be a poorer population and that does not translate to 'traditional' opportunity growth.Shame on you


1. Is this a logical statement??
2. Is Kenyas middle class growing or shrinking?? 3. Have you ever had of vision 2030??
4. Do you have an example of any peaceful & growing country that has a population which is poorer than they were 20years ago??



Nigeria


its in appalling that you think Nigeria has had peace for the last 20years!!

Go read a book or at least open Google Shame on you Liar


Ohh my bad....true Nigeria wasnt relatively peaceful. Thanks Guru...speaking of reading books....u figured out what a combined ratio is? Laughing out loudly




You guys are comedians. Nigeria GDP will overtake SA in a few years. Nigeria GDP is over 10 times what it was 20 years ago.



@tony shark, please edit your post and replace your link (long url) with this tiny url
http://tinyurl.com/d7ykpya
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guru267
#28 Posted : Monday, November 05, 2012 3:12:59 PM
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tony stark wrote:
You guys are comedians. Nigeria GDP will overtake SA in a few years. Nigeria GDP is over 10 times what it was 20 years ago


If they could achieve this in a period of civil war and conflict imagine what they can achieve with peace and correct government policy!
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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eco
#29 Posted : Monday, November 05, 2012 4:52:42 PM
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guru267 wrote:
tony stark wrote:
You guys are comedians. Nigeria GDP will overtake SA in a few years. Nigeria GDP is over 10 times what it was 20 years ago


If they could achieve this in a period of civil war and conflict imagine what they can achieve with peace and correct government policy!


I do not think the growth in Nigeria's GDP has translated to wealth of the common man. The Gini ratio of Nigeria is still way too high at above 48%.
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the deal
#30 Posted : Monday, November 05, 2012 7:21:01 PM
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@Tony Stark...a little research does help....

1. Nigerian poverty rising despite economic growth

Link http://www.reuters.com/a...y-idUSTRE81C0KR20120213

2. Nigerians living in poverty rise to nearly 61%

Link http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-17015873

3. Rebase to boost Nigeria's economy 40 percent: source

Link http://www.reuters.com/a...g-idUSBRE83O11T20120425

"The makeover may give the country financial bragging rights, but will change little for the millions trapped in poverty."

Rebaseing is merely a statistical gimmick!
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#31 Posted : Monday, November 05, 2012 8:37:05 PM
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the deal wrote:
@Tony Stark...a little research does help....

1. Nigerian poverty rising despite economic growth

Link http://www.reuters.com/a...y-idUSTRE81C0KR20120213

2. Nigerians living in poverty rise to nearly 61%

Link http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-17015873

3. Rebase to boost Nigeria's economy 40 percent: source

Link http://www.reuters.com/a...g-idUSBRE83O11T20120425

"The makeover may give the country financial bragging rights, but will change little for the millions trapped in poverty."

Rebaseing is merely a statistical gimmick!


@the deal all the problems mentioned above can be very simply averted by change in government policy!

If you think a rising population always results in rising poverty then we are clearly not arguing at the same level in economics terms!

This is outdated malthusian way of thinking!
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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tony stark
#32 Posted : Monday, November 26, 2012 6:50:23 PM
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eco wrote:


@tony shark, please edit your post and replace your link (long url) with this tiny url
http://tinyurl.com/d7ykpya


Thanks.
Where do this tiny urls live? I can never find them?
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tony stark
#33 Posted : Monday, November 26, 2012 7:05:18 PM
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guru267 wrote:
the deal wrote:
@Tony Stark...a little research does help....

1. Nigerian poverty rising despite economic growth

Link http://www.reuters.com/a...y-idUSTRE81C0KR20120213

2. Nigerians living in poverty rise to nearly 61%

Link http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-17015873

3. Rebase to boost Nigeria's economy 40 percent: source

Link http://www.reuters.com/a...g-idUSBRE83O11T20120425

"The makeover may give the country financial bragging rights, but will change little for the millions trapped in poverty."

Rebaseing is merely a statistical gimmick!


@the deal all the problems mentioned above can be very simply averted by change in government policy!

If you think a rising population always results in rising poverty then we are clearly not arguing at the same level in economics terms!

This is outdated malthusian way of thinking!


@ deal averages never tell the complete picture and hides a lot of details.
@ Guru i totally agree with you. To illustrate your point the links the deal was so kind to offer show poverty increasing from 54% to 60% from 2004 to 2010.
The population increase from 136 million to 158 million. That is 22 million people.

Absolute poverty increased from 74 million people to 96 million people. Yeah you got it that 22 million people leaving in poverty which mirrors the growth.

Is the country richer? Yes
Are the people richer? Probably not
Are the people the country ..... that I cant answer and that lays this tangent to rest!
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