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KPLC and Vision 2030 directorate gone bananas!!!
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shygal
#11 Posted : Monday, October 22, 2012 4:10:58 PM
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And why are we thinking of exploiting the whole of our geothermal potential if we can't even absorb an extra 300 Megawatts. Am i not getting something right here?
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Ericsson
#12 Posted : Monday, October 22, 2012 4:12:55 PM
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And when is KPLC announcing their full year results wamekaa sana
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josiah33
#13 Posted : Monday, October 22, 2012 4:17:22 PM
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Doesn't it say something that the World Bank would rather give guarantees to the expensive IPP's-the one's that use diesel for generation- than to LTWP?
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uzimalife
#14 Posted : Monday, October 22, 2012 4:58:45 PM
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shygal wrote:
And why are we thinking of exploiting the whole of our geothermal potential if we can't even absorb an extra 300 Megawatts. Am i not getting something right here?


Its the structure of the LTWP deal. Read the article above..
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GGK
#15 Posted : Monday, October 22, 2012 5:40:03 PM
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Power purchase agreements are normally structured such that the power producer [LTWP] is paid for installed capacity and actual delivery to the distributor [KPLC].

However in this case WB had issues, coz of abrupt surge in capacity and actual power not reaching the consumer because the transmission lines will be completed far much later than the power station. IMHO, these are real issues. But given consumers will probably start reaping the benefits from yr 2030, what would be the problem if we planned to phase the project? Why build a mega project just for the sake of it?
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hisah
#16 Posted : Monday, October 22, 2012 5:40:36 PM
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Glad to see that many guys are waking up to the nasty reality of these bretton woods institutions and also WTO. There are many examples out there e.g Bolivia revolt due to water bills after WB recommended to the govt to privatize the water firm and hike the bills, in Tz the WB recommended the medicine price to be raised during an AIDS epidemic, in Ecuador the WB's poverty reduction strategy was to increase the price of cooking gas etc...

Recommended reading - confessions of an economic hitman by John Perkins, Shock doctrine - disaster capitalism by Naomi Klein, Joseph Stiglitz - The Price of Inequality plus "Of the 1%, by the 1%, for the 1%," an article for Vanity Fair and your own discerning research.

http://y2u.be/DrynBzUpyag - many will be shocked by this video.

http://y2u.be/olKOPrRqdH4 - Joseph Stiglitz - The Price of Inequality

http://y2u.be/pA5bwYWvGtc - Confessions of an Economic Hitman

http://www.naomiklein.org/shock-doctrine - Naomi Klein website

And in KE you are looking at a potential VAT intro to essential foods... Sad
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VituVingiSana
#17 Posted : Monday, October 22, 2012 8:03:34 PM
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mgeman wrote:
Simple message to the world bank fools, we don't need you. We have a blueprint showing how much power we need and know that we'll absorb that capacity, not only the 300MW, we are working on much more than that from Geothermal in Olkaria and Menengai. If the worst comes to the worst we will shutdown the expensive IPPs starting with your Aggreko.
OK. Now how will you get the electricity from the wind farm to where it is needed? By camel express?

There are transmission lines from Olkaria to Nairobi (among other major towns) & thermal IPPs are located close to the urban areas and can feed into the grid.
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murchr
#18 Posted : Tuesday, October 23, 2012 3:00:08 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
mgeman wrote:
Simple message to the world bank fools, we don't need you. We have a blueprint showing how much power we need and know that we'll absorb that capacity, not only the 300MW, we are working on much more than that from Geothermal in Olkaria and Menengai. If the worst comes to the worst we will shutdown the expensive IPPs starting with your Aggreko.
OK. Now how will you get the electricity from the wind farm to where it is needed? By camel express?

There are transmission lines from Olkaria to Nairobi (among other major towns) & thermal IPPs are located close to the urban areas and can feed into the grid.


@VVS Have you not heard that we shall be getting power from Ethiopia, where will this be passing though? How long will it take the wind farm to set up? isn't that time enough for Ketraco to install the required transmission. This is just another sabotage. Its not the first time. Just track every WB project...issues kibao.
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josiah33
#19 Posted : Tuesday, October 23, 2012 7:04:57 AM
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murchr wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
mgeman wrote:
Simple message to the world bank fools, we don't need you. We have a blueprint showing how much power we need and know that we'll absorb that capacity, not only the 300MW, we are working on much more than that from Geothermal in Olkaria and Menengai. If the worst comes to the worst we will shutdown the expensive IPPs starting with your Aggreko.
OK. Now how will you get the electricity from the wind farm to where it is needed? By camel express?

There are transmission lines from Olkaria to Nairobi (among other major towns) & thermal IPPs are located close to the urban areas and can feed into the grid.


@VVS Have you not heard that we shall be getting power from Ethiopia, where will this be passing though? How long will it take the wind farm to set up? isn't that time enough for Ketraco to install the required transmission. This is just another sabotage. Its not the first time. Just track every WB project...issues kibao.

Yes, some 400 Megawatts to be imported from Ethiopia plus a transmission powerline and the work is to start in 2013.This other 300 Megawatt LTWP project is long overdue and some people are still squabbling about it. Are the priorities right here?
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guru267
#20 Posted : Tuesday, October 23, 2012 8:08:22 AM
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murchr wrote:
How long will it take the wind farm to set up? isn't that time enough for Ketraco to install the required transmission.


The WB believes the transmission lines from the area will not be ready by the time the farm is complete! Its a valid concern...

Why is GOK rejecting the phased implementation plan??
Why does GOK want Kenyans to pay for power that is not connected to the national grid??
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