@hamburglar I understand and respect because I have definitely not walked your journey. Heck, it appears you have genuine grounds to be mad/ angry/ disappointed/ denounce God, let alone all we hypocritical religious folk out there.

You agree with me you don't see life now the way you saw it 20 years ago. Similarly you must give room for growth in wisdom in another 20 years.


But I did see some irony in your last post:
+ you mentioned "god" 17 times
+ you believe so much in humanity despite us being directly responsible for most of what you would blame God for
+ Bill Gates/Warren Buffet are agnostics not atheists. History shows almost all prolific achievers having belief in a greater cause.


Finally, I assure you many who see your success, your neighbour, underprivledged kids, and those you help thank God for the blessing you are. So if my actions as a Chrisitian were weighed against yours, some would see more Goodness in you.


"One good deed is worth a thousand prayers." – Zarathushtra

Muganda, There is nothing to see past death's door. You sound like an intelligent guy, but you and I both know that after you die, you are worm's food, 6 feet under and nothing more, that's the end of the road....I stopped fearing words like you last sentence just because I live in reality, and this reality has given me a peace of mind that I never had when I was religious back in the day.

I look back at my religious days and where I am now and I feel so much at peace with my life. Religion was holding me back. I have been successful in life and most of it I can attribute directly to my atheism. See, when theists are faced with hurdles, they turn to God for answers in the form of prayer....In my experience, when I was religious (and I grew up in a very religious family), these prayers never got me anywhere.

Man has been praying for centuries, but look at the state of world today, it's still catastrophically messed up. We have Muslim fundamentals on a murderous streak, killing indiscriminately, bombing everything that in their warped brainwashed minds believe is not in line with their Islam beliefs. Catholics killing of protestants in Ireland, Muslims and Christians massacring each other in Nigeria, Palestinians and Jews in the Middle East, Christians in Uganda persecuting gay people, I could go on and on and on but I have a feeling you already know where I am going with this. All this killing is done in the name of God. Surely, can this god just be contently sitting wherever he is and just letting all this happen?

Anyway, my point is, as soon as I decided to ditch religion and spirituality, I understood that, if I am faced with a hurdle, instead of praying to god, it's better for me to figure out a way to overcome that hurdle on my own. Guess what, that mentality really opened my mind. I became a better thinker, a doer, self reliant and it helped me start critically thinking outside of the box and that thinking has contributed to much of my success which in turn I have used to help my fellow man.

I hate to put my business in public, but I will for once. With the success that I have achieved in life, I have been able to pay school fees for under-privileged kids and with the help of an affluent friend of mine, I have already secured land in Athi River where I hope to one day open a children’s home and try to help some more. I am at the point in my life where I know that it's up to man to help fellow man, because praying and waiting for this so called god to intervene will never happen. People continue to suffer and wait for their prayers to be answered. I am a realist and every minute that we waste praying, a child dies of hunger. This thinking has made me embrace humanity as opposed to religion.

I believe in humanity, in human beings helping each other because the results are tangible. I have never seen any results from all those years that people have been praying to a higher deity for answers, and the reason is because there is no higher deity.

Religion suppresses common sense. Most religious people do not want to think because they say that they will leave it in god's hands. That is a tacit fallacy, a mentality that holds people behind. Norway is the richest country in the world going by average income, but is the least religious country too with about 30% of the country believing in a deity. Sub-Sahara Africa is the poorest but average about 90% believers of some sort of god. Even though correlation does not equal causation, but there is a clear relationship between these two concepts. The reason why most white people tend to do better in life is because they don't subscribe to any religious dogma. Religion is very dangerous. It's the cause of natural selection.

That's why I say, getting out of the shackles of religion gives one a better vision of the reality. Mmarto, thanks for being civil, but I don't need to pray to have faith, I would rather use logic than faith any day. Plus, if this god really existed, why do we have to pray to ask for anything? If he can already see what we need, why can't he just give it to us and stop the suffering that mankind goes through daily? Logically, is I was this god and I saw that someone needed something, I wouldn't wait for him to pray and ask for it, I would just give it to him. This god must have a huge ego that needs to be stroked before he can grant people favors. What's the point of praying to ask for something? Why can't he just make it available and make people's lives easier? If I have food and my neighbor is starving to death, I won't wait until he asks me for some food, I will just give it to him. This praying business defies logic, but indoctrinization is one of the hardest thing to get rid of. Besides we are all just victims of our environement.

If Mmarto you were born in Saudi Arabia, you would be shouting allah wakbar at the top of your voice. It just happens that you were born into a christian family and that's why you are christian. It makes no sense why god would let religion cause so much destruction to the world. And that's why I am an atheist and glad that I saw the light. As for judgement day, that's part of the fear that's perpetuated by man. There will not be any judgement and if there is, then I will ask tell this god that I lived a consciously clean life, better than most of my hypocrite christian friends that I see doing unchristian things everyday. If he wants to send me to this so called "hell" for not kissing his ass, then I will gladly go because I refuse to kiss ass so as to be rewarded in the end. I will do good deeds and continue to do everything in my power to help my fellow man, because that is what life is all about.

Bill Gates is doing so much for people in Africa and he is an atheist. I would rather associate with the works of atheists like Bill Gates and Warren Buffet than follow secular leaders like the Roman Catholic priests and their daily molestation scandals, Pastor Long and a bunch of so many other crooked pastors and priest that are too many to name. I am where I am today because of this decision that I made. My friends and peers who are still clinging to religion are still going through life tribulations waiting for their prayers to be answered. I see it all the time. I have friends that are waiting for god to open doors for them when in reality, if they just took time to invest in their own abilities, these doors would have been opened a long time ago. I have seen friends who continue to suffer because they left their whole life in the hands of god, instead of using the head to get things done in their lives...One of my friends found himself homeless after he lost his job and decided to put everything in god's hands....Well, apparently god had other better things to do....If this same guy would have used his head instead of depending on this missing in action god, would he have gone out to get another job and I know he would have got a new job, he would still have his house today....But he chose to be a regular church member instead of looking for a new job and he ended up in a homeless shelter. Case of reason versus faith. You be the judge. Maybe this post will open some people's eyes, maybe not, but to each their own.

To all you atheist!!! Matthew 16:26 "What good will it be for a man if he gains the whole world, yet forfeits his soul? Or what can a man give in exchange for his soul?"

@humbglar the richest group in the world are Jews not atheists. again don't measure success using monetary terms only
Ask God to reveal himself to you Coz he's just bubbling under
as for Bob he reminds me of the tower of Babel when men thought like him