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jguru
#11 Posted : Thursday, July 12, 2012 8:51:43 AM
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essyk wrote:
For the sake of the unborns.
This is what happens when we cease to think as humans.

A photo captured in kibera.Sad



Have a loving day



Who would throw away a new born baby boy with the trash? Such a cruel cruel thing to do. Sad

What happened to placing the baby in a warm basket and leaving it at the door to a nun's convent or a church? Sad

So so sad. Sad
Set out to correct the world's wrongs and you will most certainly wind up adding to them.
essyk
#12 Posted : Thursday, July 12, 2012 9:58:08 AM
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As a woman I strongly believe that women should be financially empowered, my mum advised me to never be dependent on a man 100% and I find it to be true. I see so many women trapped in unhappy marriages and they cant get out because the husband is the bread winner. I honestly do not understand this way of thinking, because I would rather go and sell veggies at marikiti than live in misery. Anyways my point is let us not be quick to place all the blame on the woman, only she knows the kind of hell she was going through that made her do this. Instead lets encourage safe surrender, no questions asked!

I echo your sentiments wholeheartedly.
The story is too deep I can't believe what I did for that lady and child.
But the woman was an orphan and her dad was
abusive and ruthless in every sense esp towards the mum and family in genaral.
I think she rebelled early in life cz that wasn't the first baby to be killed. She had dropped out of school and her life took a downward slope.
They had all given up on her and left her to the world.

That aside, I agree that women need to be empowered, but in our society an empowered woman is regarded as a vain one.Men hate the idea of an empowered woman esp in Africa because they feel their roles are threatened.

Many ladies get married to escape poverty from their homes and depend on the man fully to get her family out of poverty.
It's a societal mentality that man must provide but I think that has had been misunderstood.
Many women will hold on to 'God have mercy relationships'for the sake of kids,finance but not LOVE.
That really sucks.Can you imagine living ur whole life trapped in a loveless relationship?
As in till ur 75 years old? you will die very fast.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.
kichwangumu
#13 Posted : Thursday, July 12, 2012 1:16:05 PM
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...great a good cold Thursday spoilt.

1. why did I continue opening this thread? and it stated clearly graphic? mmhmm? why?

2. what tha f#$% is wrong with us humans? we have so much disregard to life this much...?kwa takataka? I pray, whoever who did this to this child to live an extremely long painful,sad life.
I'm literary fight tears back. nkt

essyk
#14 Posted : Thursday, July 12, 2012 1:19:19 PM
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kichwangumu wrote:
...great a good cold Thursday spoilt.

1. why did I continue opening this thread? and it stated clearly graphic? mmhmm? why?

2. what tha f#$% is wrong with us humans? we have so much disregard to life this much...?kwa takataka? I pray, whoever who did this to this child to live an extremely long painful,sad life.
I'm literary fight tears back. nkt


Me thinks ur ID has a role in that.
I guess ur emotional cz ur seeing it here but can u imagine how many kids are dumped daily?
Even now there is a woman in labour plotting on doing this or worse.
"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.
kyt
#15 Posted : Thursday, July 12, 2012 2:17:21 PM
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this are the consequences of a society left to rot, expect more in the future, dont feign shock here people, kindly dont.
LOVE WHAT YOU DO, DO WHAT YOU LOVE.
Rahatupu
#16 Posted : Thursday, July 12, 2012 2:39:54 PM
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Nabwire wrote:
Essyk that was sad, I cant even imagine. But reading through your story I was just hoping they did not give the baby back to her mother, but unfortunately they did! Someone who throws her child away in a pit latrine of all places while the child is still alive is definetely not fit to raise that child. The fact that she chose to kill that child and let the other one live, to me shows that she had issues with the father of the child and not necessarily the child. Society has a tendency to put all the blame on the woman, but guess what somewhere there is a man who fathered that child, he goes off scot free, no blame, no guilt!! I bet the women who leave their children for dead are usually under alot of financial strain. I am not trying to absolve them of their horrendous acts but sometimes its better to look at issues from their point of view. I picture her as an 18 year old, fully dependent on her parents and when she gets pregnant, the father of her child abandons her. She cant tell her parents because they are already under too much stress trying to make ends meet, so she hides her pregnancy, which must be the most harrowing experience. Imagine having to live a lie everyday in a one room shack, Im guessing she must be going through hell When she delivers she has no support, no one to talk to, throw in post partum depression and I can definetely understand how she would come to this conclusion.Women are attacked verbally everyday in society, just read through some of the posts here and you realize that women are indeed very strong! Had that woman had the financial means to care for her child, I doubt if she would have made this type of decision. As a woman I strongly believe that women should be financially empowered, my mum advised me to never be dependent on a man 100% and I find it to be true. I see so many women trapped in unhappy marriages and they cant get out because the husband is the bread winner. I honestly do not understand this way of thinking, because I would rather go and sell veggies at marikiti than live in misery. Anyways my point is let us not be quick to place all the blame on the woman, only she knows the kind of hell she was going through that made her do this. Instead lets encourage safe surrender, no questions asked!
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@Nabwire, I agree with part of your analysis but some bits are not true. I know of a guy whose mother dumped him when he was 5 days old. He was brought up by another woman and only knew that this woman was not her real mother when he was 36. The woman who dumped him was not poor neither was the one who raised her wealthy. It has more to do with background and upbringing than economic empowerment.
Nabwire
#17 Posted : Thursday, July 12, 2012 6:02:35 PM
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essyk wrote:


That aside, I agree that women need to be empowered, but in our society an empowered woman is regarded as a vain one.Men hate the idea of an empowered woman esp in Africa because they feel their roles are threatened.





That right there is the problem. Women have been conditioned to please everyone else but themselves. Here is a quote by Roseanne Barr

The thing that women have yet to learn is no one gives you power, you just take it.smile

We have been trained to follow so many rules since childhood, its no wonder some women do not know their true selves, they are so used to following all the rules imposed on them by society. I say break all the rules, do what brings you happiness. Ofcourse everything in moderation. Its a very thin line between being empowered and being an angry feminist smile
Some of my best mentors have been men, and one thing that I constantly see in men & leadership, is just do it!! They dont have as many self imposed limitations as we do.
You are right Rahatupu, its about character but you also have to agree that money can and does play a big role. Thats amazing that he didnt find out he was adopted till 36, wow!

tycho
#18 Posted : Friday, July 13, 2012 4:17:00 PM
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essyk wrote:
tycho wrote:


But humans have always done things like this since times gone. In fact, the photo exhibits a perfectly human judgement.

And humans are not alone; cats eat their kitten, ditto dogs . . .



-Kittens born in winter, when they aren't likely to survive, are sometimes killed to save strength for the mother.

-If you put your cat under too much stress, she might decide she can't protect her kittens and give them up as a lost cause.

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/...r_kittens#ixzz20LGQ4OQp

Dogs

-a dog will eat her pups when they die shortly after birth or just before they die because she knows there is something wrong with her pups and it helps her get a missing nutrient that she needs.

See the diff between humans and animals.?
What we think is abnormal in animals is actually right and what we view as wrong with humans is actually wrong.


I haven't seen the diff between humans and animals from this.

What's winter to a cat? Is it not similar to a life of dearth and neglect . . . coldness?

Cats suffer from stress, so do humans, and humans will do what you've said the cats would do.

As for dogs. There is this very friendly and playful dog who has given birth to blind puppies twice. And when we saw the first blind puppy we doubted if it would survive. Some of us even thought of euthanasia, some were plainly murderous, but the dog is still alive sniffing the Kibera drainage system with plenty of hope.

Now, if even humans could not tell what would happen to the blind dog, how can a dog even begin to be certain of her decesion?

If animals are justified in killing their offspring, then so are humans: and this I say if indeed there is no difference between humans and animals.
essyk
#19 Posted : Friday, July 13, 2012 11:46:33 PM
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If animals are justified in killing their offspring, then so are humans: and this I say if indeed there is no difference between humans and animals.


The difference is called conscience.
The sanctity of a human life is more important than the prevailing conditions.
I have every reason to go rob a bank cz I need lots of cash.
But conscience tell me it's wrong.

When ur conscience is seared you become animalistic .

"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.
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