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The way to go this is my analysis.
mukiha
#11 Posted : Friday, March 09, 2012 3:09:55 PM
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@kiash; have you ever looked at the audited accounts of any billion-shilling-profit company?

Here is an example:

KCB made 15b PBT in 2011; their staff costs were 10.8b

EQT made 13b PBT in 2011; their staff costs were 6b

You may confirm these numbers by going to the respective websites and downloading the recently announced financial statements.

With those figures, do you still maintain your position that "those companies make billions in profits while they end up paying pea nuts."?

No wonder @Chiaroscuro has accused you of "populism".

As I keep saying; be careful what you post in wazua...
Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
kiash
#12 Posted : Friday, March 09, 2012 3:40:49 PM
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Thanks @Mukuha,

I have looked at the above results but I would also refer you to another forum

http://www.wazua.co.ke/forum.aspx?g=posts&t=16896#post266161

Well am not sure of the figures given give but paying the staff 35 and 40k in Kenya is really peanuts. What do you do with that?
The banks might be consuming too much of their revenue on salaries but it might also be a case having a lot of staff and they end up paying lots of people peanuts.
Remember what happened with KCB and even Equity; they saw it necessary to reduce the workforce, think was last year
This is no populism, and as you said;
Be careful what you post in wazua...
kiash
#13 Posted : Friday, March 09, 2012 5:52:52 PM
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@Chiaruscuro
I beg to agree and disagree with some points you have made. Thanks most of them are genuine, when I wrote and suggested a minimum wage “hourly” for employees; it was to deal with the point like the one you replied in blue below:

I don't agree with your assumption. I think MOST Kenyans spend their time wondering where their next meal will come from - KNBS estimates that 46% of Kenyans survive on less than 100bob a day. And you think they can spare Sh300 to watch a football match?

Name the companies that you think "make billions" and "do not even pay the minimum wage" You are beginning to sound like Atwoli. He "payukad" things to that effect naming Nakumatt and EQTY. They threatened to sue him and he appologised publickly and admitted that these companies actually pay way above the minimum. No one earns less than 30k in these companies

On the second point I totally disagree with you on this one ati no one earns less than 30K in Nakumatt, talk to those guys who work there, if they were sincere enough there might be some making above what you have quoted but many more earn less. I got a link from last year and if the Nakumatt boss or the bosses of the flower farms in Naivasha respected the govt announcement, then you have the wage.

http://af.reuters.com/article/investingNews/idAFJOE74104G20110502
mukiha
#14 Posted : Saturday, March 10, 2012 12:48:51 PM
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kiash wrote:
Thanks @Mukuha,

I have looked at the above results but I would also refer you to another forum

http://www.wazua.co.ke/forum.aspx?g=posts&t=16896#post266161

Well am not sure of the figures given give but paying the staff 35 and 40k in Kenya is really peanuts. What do you do with that?
The banks might be consuming too much of their revenue on salaries but it might also be a case having a lot of staff and they end up paying lots of people peanuts.
Remember what happened with KCB and even Equity; they saw it necessary to reduce the workforce, think was last year
This is no populism, and as you said;
Be careful what you post in wazua...


Anyone who cannot mange with 35k - 40k per month cannot also not manage with 350k-400k!

35k is enough to get you decent housing, food, clothing, entertainment etc and still leave you with at least 3k savings per month!

If you earn that and can't survive on it, then even ten-times the salary will not help!
Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
mukiha
#15 Posted : Saturday, March 10, 2012 12:50:32 PM
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Oh; and, by the way, have you looked at the price of peanuts recently? They are more expensive coffee!
Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
Olu
#16 Posted : Monday, March 12, 2012 4:02:12 PM
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Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause well said
mukiha wrote:
Oh; and, by the way, have you looked at the price of peanuts recently? They are more expensive coffee!

chiaroscuro
#17 Posted : Wednesday, March 14, 2012 11:18:02 AM
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mukiha wrote:
kiash wrote:
Thanks @Mukuha,

I have looked at the above results but I would also refer you to another forum

http://www.wazua.co.ke/forum.aspx?g=posts&t=16896#post266161

Well am not sure of the figures given give but paying the staff 35 and 40k in Kenya is really peanuts. What do you do with that?
The banks might be consuming too much of their revenue on salaries but it might also be a case having a lot of staff and they end up paying lots of people peanuts.
Remember what happened with KCB and even Equity; they saw it necessary to reduce the workforce, think was last year
This is no populism, and as you said;
Be careful what you post in wazua...


Anyone who cannot mange with 35k - 40k per month cannot also not manage with 350k-400k!

35k is enough to get you decent housing, food, clothing, entertainment etc and still leave you with at least 3k savings per month!

If you earn that and can't survive on it, then even ten-times the salary will not help!


Actually, they won't even survive if you give them 3.5m - 4.0m!

As Dr. Phil likes to say: "You can't solve people's financial problems by giving them more money"
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