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You should be better than your parents
Marty
#21 Posted : Thursday, November 17, 2011 3:44:47 PM
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Pastor M wrote:
@Mtu Biz no worries....Now my question is if its you who has being invited to talk on this topic 'the theme of the seminar is 'STIVE TO BE BETTER THAN YOUR PARENTS"...I have the materials...I just want some additional points,I believe wazua has people who are more experienced....Kindly look at this topic in a positive way because from the comments I got I think you looked at it in a negative way.



I think they ought to have a better theme, somethings revolving around achieving full potential and achieving greatness. Striving to be better than parents is highly subjective coz some parents are really doing badly in some aspects of their lives and hence them being a benchmark is setting the bar kinda low. Not sure they meant by being better in what regard...think pwagu pwaguzi
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#22 Posted : Thursday, November 17, 2011 3:46:50 PM
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@Pastor has all but recieved unwarranted bashing for a very sensible question and for what could be an inspiring talk to some young folks. Advising kids to be better than their folks is basically asking them to set their ambitions higher, which is the least advice anyone can give to kids.
Pastor M
#23 Posted : Thursday, November 17, 2011 3:59:31 PM
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However you need to advice them to follow their dreams not forgetting this is a harsh world which ussually judges one by his/her economic abilities.

Also advice them to read the book,'Rich dad,poor dad'.

Thanks infact I m rereading the Book Now and some of my points will come from this Book,I quote from Rich Dad, Poor Dad ...When we as parents advise our children to "go to school, study hard and get a good job," we often
do that out of cultural habit. It has always been the right thing to do. When I met Robert, his ideas
initially startled me. Having been raised by two fathers, he had been taught to strive for two different
goals. His educated dad advised him to work for a corporation. His rich dad advised him to own the
corporation. Both life paths required education, but the subjects of study were completely different.
His educated dad encouraged Robert to be a smart person. His rich dad encouraged Robert to know
how to hire smart people.http://www.changeagent101.com/lib/richdad.pdf
Mtu Biz
#24 Posted : Thursday, November 17, 2011 4:13:57 PM
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Pastor M wrote:
@Mtu Biz no worries....Now my question is if its you who has being invited to talk on this topic 'the theme of the seminar is 'STIVE TO BE BETTER THAN YOUR PARENTS"...I have the materials...I just want some additional points,I believe wazua has people who are more experienced....Kindly look at this topic in a positive way because from the comments I got I think you looked at it in a negative way.


Ok.

I think your approach to this topic should lean more on defining what 'BETTER THAN YOUR PARENTS' means. As opposed to assuming that it means you should be more moneyed.

Since you do not know their parents or how they got where they did economically, i suggest you dwell on BETTER in terms of character and their relationship with God and fellow men.

When you approach this topic from an economic view point... it almost seems to suggest that the said parents have failed.

What is more worth while to strive for, money or character ?

The bible teaches that a good name is better than riches, and to be esteemed better than silver or Gold.

Forget what Robert Kiyosaki has to say. You have the eternal truth about all things in the word.

Sola Scriptura


Kratos
#25 Posted : Thursday, November 17, 2011 4:29:03 PM
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Hogwash!

“People will believe a big lie sooner than a little one, and if you repeat it frequently enough, people will sooner or later believe it.” ― Walter C. Langer
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#26 Posted : Thursday, November 17, 2011 4:32:47 PM
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....and if one of the kids is UK's??
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#27 Posted : Thursday, November 17, 2011 4:33:49 PM
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How about talking students about setting personal goals on what they want to achieve in life. (Being a school I see this as careers -engineers, lawyers, pilots, accountants etc)

Highlight challenges they face to achieve and sustain the achievement. Success does not come on a silver platter

Talk about need for mentors –people who can inspire them, have made it in life – (not necessarily materially but in careers, leadership etc) and are society’s role models. – Are our parents such? Are they the best benchmarks?

Talk about value driven life, a honest living, integrity, and the results for such where students actualize their full potential. –getting the best grades, etc (efforts=success/achievement). You might want to illustrate this with the competitive environments we find ourselves in, where one has to proof his/her worthy through hard work.

etc
mnjoro
#28 Posted : Thursday, November 17, 2011 4:48:14 PM
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@Pastor M
As much as you will address the students refrain from using such words as curses.I find them intimidating and to some extent blackmail.Should realise morden kids fear nothing thus the more you tell them of consequencies of not obeying the more hardened they become.Don,t forget we grew up being told the world is ending and that was kido 35yrs ago.Therefore be real and current.















Mainat
#29 Posted : Thursday, November 17, 2011 5:20:09 PM
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Prosperity gospel has really messed up with the heads of pastors/bishops/evangelists.
Sehemu ndio nyumba
Pastor M
#30 Posted : Thursday, November 17, 2011 5:27:19 PM
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Thank you all,I believe God will help me to speak words that will build I quote from Rich Dad poor Dad....……………My two dads had opposing attitudes in thought. One dad thought that the rich should pay more in taxes to take care of those less fortunate. The other said, "Taxes punish those who produce and reward those who don't produce."One dad recommended, "Study hard so you can find a good company to work for." The other recommended, "Study hard so you can find a good company to buy."One dad said, "The reason I'm not rich is because I have you kids." The other said, "The reason I must be rich is because I have you kids."One encouraged talking about money and business at the dinner ,table. The other forbade the subject of money to be discussed over a meal.One said, "When it comes to money, play it safe, don't take risks." The other said, "Learn to manage risk."One believed, "Our home is our largest investment and our greatest asset." The other believed, "My house is a liability, and if your house is your largest investment, you're in trouble."Both dads paid their bills on time, yet one paid his bills first while the other paid his bills last.One dad believed in a company or the government taking care of you and your needs. He was always concerned about pay raises, retirement plans, medical benefits, sick leave, vacation days and other perks. He was impressed with two of his uncles who joined the military and earned a retirement and entitlement package for life after twenty years of active service. He loved the idea of medical benefits and PX privileges the military provided its retirees. He also loved the tenure system available through the university. The idea of job protection for life and job benefits seemed more important, at times, than the job. He would often say, "I've worked hard for the government, and I'm entitled to these benefits."The other believed in total financial self-reliance. He spoke out against the "entitlement" mentality and how it was creating weak and financially needy people. He was emphatic about being financially competent.One dad struggled to save a few dollars. The other simply created investments………….
Kratos
#31 Posted : Thursday, November 17, 2011 5:41:42 PM
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Mainat wrote:
Prosperity gospel has really messed up with the heads of pastors/bishops/evangelists.


Couldn't have put it any better!

“People will believe a big lie sooner than a little one, and if you repeat it frequently enough, people will sooner or later believe it.” ― Walter C. Langer
Pastor M
#32 Posted : Thursday, November 17, 2011 6:16:43 PM
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Kratos wrote:
Mainat wrote:
Prosperity gospel has really messed up with the heads of pastors/bishops/evangelists.


Couldn't have put it any better!

smile smile smile smile smile smile smile smile smile smile
God's plan for prosperity includes everything. Yet, too often, we associate prosperity with just money. Money is a part of prosperity, but only a small part. In fact, money is the lowest form of prosperity.

This is what prompted Paul to write, "Command those who are rich in this present world not to be arrogant nor to put their hope in wealth, which is so uncertain, but to put their hope in God, who richly provides us with everything for our enjoyment" (1 Timothy 6:17).
Kratos
#33 Posted : Thursday, November 17, 2011 6:38:05 PM
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Pastor M wrote:
Kratos wrote:
Mainat wrote:
Prosperity gospel has really messed up with the heads of pastors/bishops/evangelists.


Couldn't have put it any better!

smile smile smile smile smile smile smile smile smile smile
God's plan for prosperity includes everything. Yet, too often, we associate prosperity with just money. Money is a part of prosperity, but only a small part. In fact, money is the lowest form of prosperity.

This is what prompted Paul to write, "Command those who are rich in this present world not to be arrogant nor to put their hope in wealth, which is so uncertain, but to put their hope in God, who richly provides us with everything for our enjoyment" (1 Timothy 6:17).


Preparing for future collections are we?smile smile

“People will believe a big lie sooner than a little one, and if you repeat it frequently enough, people will sooner or later believe it.” ― Walter C. Langer
Kratos
#34 Posted : Thursday, November 17, 2011 6:39:37 PM
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Pastor M wrote:
Kratos wrote:
Mainat wrote:
Prosperity gospel has really messed up with the heads of pastors/bishops/evangelists.


Couldn't have put it any better!

smile smile smile smile smile smile smile smile smile smile
God's plan for prosperity includes everything. Yet, too often, we associate prosperity with just money. Money is a part of prosperity, but only a small part. In fact, money is the lowest form of prosperity.

This is what prompted Paul to write, "Command those who are rich in this present world not to be arrogant nor to put their hope in wealth, which is so uncertain, but to put their hope in God, who richly provides us with everything for our enjoyment" (1 Timothy 6:17).


Preparing for future collections are we?smile smile

“People will believe a big lie sooner than a little one, and if you repeat it frequently enough, people will sooner or later believe it.” ― Walter C. Langer
Cardinal
#35 Posted : Thursday, November 17, 2011 7:12:48 PM
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I know of a rich muhindi son who became better than his parents at not paying taxes.

What's important in any kid is his character,discipline and values. And this is what children should strive to be better on than their parents
Cardinal
#36 Posted : Thursday, November 17, 2011 7:28:00 PM
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I know of a rich muhindi son who became better than his parents at not paying taxes.

What's important in any kid is his character,discipline and values. And this is what children should strive to be better on than their parents
Lolest!
#37 Posted : Thursday, November 17, 2011 10:08:46 PM
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Mchungaji, I disagree. As much as I would like my kids to have a better life than the one I had/have, I wouldnt peg my success on my parents position. I would rather focus on BEING THE BEST I CAN BE. Comparing oneself to parents may lead to mediocrity if all you do is aim to be better than them. Conversely, it may lead to frustration if your parents were stars of some sort eg Mandelas children would not find it that easy to make themselves a name half as big as their dad. Then why would you want to use strong words like failure and curse? This coming from a preacher would bring disrepute to the name of God!
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#38 Posted : Thursday, November 17, 2011 10:54:02 PM
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Poor pastor rich students . Pastor how much is your constulancy fee .
Peace be with you
Pretz
#39 Posted : Thursday, November 17, 2011 11:05:32 PM
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Dont see what the problem with that message is after all When some of us were growing up, we got the same advise from our parents. We were taught to set our sights higher than our parents. Most of us want and work for our children to get/have the best and by that I mean the best education, manners, opportunities, friends and what have you. So what would be wrong with telling my child to be better than I am???? I might be the wealthiest in my neighbourhood but the unhealthiest or the most ill-mannered. There is always something that our kids can be better at, than we are, just do not limit them to surpass parents achievements.
YesuWangu
#40 Posted : Friday, November 18, 2011 7:48:21 AM
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Lolest! wrote:
Mchungaji, I disagree. As much as I would like my kids to have a better life than the one I had/have, I wouldnt peg my success on my parents position. I would rather focus on BEING THE BEST I CAN BE. Comparing oneself to parents may lead to mediocrity if all you do is aim to be better than them. Conversely, it may lead to frustration if your parents were stars of some sort eg Mandelas children would not find it that easy to make themselves a name half as big as their dad. Then why would you want to use strong words like failure and curse? This coming from a preacher would bring disrepute to the name of God!


I was not sure what to contribute. But I kind of agree with Laughing out loudly. I think that one ought to strive to be better than what exists in his circumstance. Therefore, one does not compete with other human beings. That is where things start going wrong. Just my thoughts.
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