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MUMIAS!
mlennyma
#21 Posted : Tuesday, November 08, 2011 8:45:52 AM
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@mkono just be far sighted since this guy wants to portray leadership responsibility to be elected and cant afford to messup...although i heard the sold farmers land.
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StatMeister
#22 Posted : Tuesday, November 08, 2011 8:46:27 AM
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Cde Monomotapa wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
Don't mean to be a party pooper but, I believe this share has some falling still to go, below 5.00.

and that's a good look hey smile another 50cts dividend will be 9-10% yield ;-)

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the deal
#23 Posted : Tuesday, November 08, 2011 8:47:36 AM
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Buy Buy Buy inflation will inflate sukari's revenues.
StatMeister
#24 Posted : Tuesday, November 08, 2011 8:48:49 AM
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As importers suffer with the dollar, sugar will benefit from higher prices for imported sugar, hence an indirect import protections. I hope they make hay while this sun shines
A bad day fishing is better than a good day at work
Aguytrying
#25 Posted : Tuesday, November 08, 2011 8:54:03 AM
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Cde Monomotapa wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
Don't mean to be a party pooper but, I believe this share has some falling still to go, below 5.00.

and that's a good look hey smile another 50cts dividend will be 9-10% yield ;-)

now that is sweet. I just wish i believed in the company like i used to, but i dont. Tarda became a mirage. Nice dividend yield!!
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the deal
#26 Posted : Tuesday, November 08, 2011 9:00:40 AM
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StatMeister wrote:
As importers suffer with the dollar, sugar will benefit from higher prices for imported sugar, hence an indirect import protections. I hope they make hay while this sun shines

yes mumias sugar at sh400/kg Applause
Dudette
#27 Posted : Tuesday, November 08, 2011 9:07:03 AM
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BGL wrote:
i bought eacables @ 48 bob so afadhari mumias!







@BGL, If GGK feels like taking poison, what do you feel like taking?
Njung'e
#28 Posted : Tuesday, November 08, 2011 9:36:26 AM
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the deal wrote:
we are all trapped in this jail cell called Mumias sugar, I bought at 7.20 the rest is history.. .let's call a Kesha for this one.


Laughing out loudly ....Not laughing at you yet coz when i said we would drop,you said buy buy buy.There you are.I haven't retracted what i promised myself.....The low will still be in mid Jan....See you then hoping you will not have joined GGK in making a safe exit to your makerLaughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
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Njung'e
#29 Posted : Tuesday, November 08, 2011 9:40:01 AM
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youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
Njung'e are you dipping in yet?


NO!!!....because i believe i have seen nothing!...but that's just me and i am not allowing anybody to talk me into high sugar prices.That would only work if production was up there....i still hold the view that 3.50 is possible
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mwanahisa
#30 Posted : Tuesday, November 08, 2011 9:47:01 AM
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Njung'e wrote:
the deal wrote:
we are all trapped in this jail cell called Mumias sugar, I bought at 7.20 the rest is history.. .let's call a Kesha for this one.


Laughing out loudly ....Not laughing at you yet coz when i said we would drop,you said buy buy buy.There you are.I haven't retracted what i promised myself.....The low will still be in mid Jan....See you then hoping you will not have joined GGK in making a safe exit to your makerLaughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly


Njunge, as you well know, many of us do not like betting against you as far as Sugar is concerned. All the same, there appears to be more positives regarding MSC relative to the negatives ATM. Do you have any info on the current production figures?

Whereas we can not discount MSC's share price falling further, MSC swings quite a bit even in a bear market and I for one has been able to make 10-15% on those swings many a time. That means I can be both short and long term at these prices on MSC.

Besides, at a PE of less than 5, Price to Book of less than 1 and a yield approaching 10%, I believe there are worse places to get trapped in.
Impunity
#31 Posted : Tuesday, November 08, 2011 9:58:21 AM
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Why has UNGA managed to stay put despite its pals aka Mumias tanking big time?
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Njung'e
#32 Posted : Tuesday, November 08, 2011 10:45:59 AM
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mwanahisa wrote:

Njunge, as you well know, many of us do not like betting against you as far as Sugar is concerned. All the same, there appears to be more positives regarding MSC relative to the negatives ATM.


Thanks Mwanahisa but are you sure you are not overating Guka?smile .....I am certain there are positives but what i hold is that the first half will not be rosy as we want to paint it.Several issues have conspired against this stock most recent.Weather,poor cane husbandry,planting plannning and of course a few other details,which have already been pointed out here by other Wazuans.My understanding is that production targets (sugar and power) are way off target and matters will not be helped by the fact that annual maintenance for next FY will be held in April 2011 or thereabout.If that happens,then the plant will have had two annual maintenance periods inside one FY.That will cut down production targets by a sizeable margin.

I also understand that the ethanol plant is behind by a whooping 6 months.Whereas production was supposed to start in Sept,this may not be possible until well past April 2012.....Now!



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GGK
#33 Posted : Tuesday, November 08, 2011 11:02:44 AM
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This thread has opened my eyes in terms of dividend yield. Its good thing I couldn't get the poison .... now I can actually buy and benefit in two ways... the dividend & average cost.

What I don't understand with MSC is why scheduled down times like maintenance tend to have negative impact. If we knew ab-initio that the plant will operate for 10 months in the FY, why do we then get surprised when it operates for 10 months?
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Njung'e
#34 Posted : Tuesday, November 08, 2011 11:18:55 AM
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@GGK,

It's a good thing.Low prices can help average down and cut losses.That's if you have the power and the will (Yeah,it's not for the faint hearted...smile .What you do not understand?...Some of this maintenance are scheduled for specific periods.Unfortunately various other factors,among them,weather,cane fires,farmer's moral and crop can dictate otherwise.....and well,sugar production is that tricky the world over,especially for countries within the tropics.
Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
GGK
#35 Posted : Tuesday, November 08, 2011 11:38:34 AM
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Njung'e wrote:
@GGK,

It's a good Low prices can help average down and cut losses.That's if you have the power and the will (Yeah,it's not for the faint hearted...smile .What you do not understand?...Some of this maintenance are scheduled for specific periods.Unfortunately various other factors,among them,weather,cane fires,farmer's moral and crop can dictate otherwise.....and well,sugar production is that tricky the world over,especially for countries within the tropics.


My point was, if it is known from the very beginning that plant will operate for 11 months every year, why should it even be an issue. Revenue projections are based on 11 months in any case
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Njung'e
#36 Posted : Tuesday, November 08, 2011 11:51:44 AM
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GGK wrote:
[quote=Njung'e]@GGK,
My point was, if it is known from the very beginning that plant will operate for 11 months every year, why should it even be an issue. Revenue projections are based on 11 months in any case


Projections will be at the start of a FY.3 months down the line,you are hit by El-Nino thus hampering cane transportation and you have to call off operations for 3 months or until the gods turn of the rain taps.Do we still have 11 months?That is just one example of the sugar industry challenges.
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GGK
#37 Posted : Tuesday, November 08, 2011 12:00:04 PM
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Njung'e wrote:
GGK wrote:
[quote=Njung'e]@GGK,
My point was, if it is known from the very beginning that plant will operate for 11 months every year, why should it even be an issue. Revenue projections are based on 11 months in any case


Projections will be at the start of a FY.3 months down the line,you are hit by El-Nino thus hampering cane transportation and you have to call off operations for 3 months or until the gods turn of the rain taps.Do we still have 11 months?That is just one example of the sugar industry challenges.


I rest my case... It isn't wise to argue with a baron even if it is a sugar baron
"..I am because we are. "― Ubuntu, Umtu,
Njung'e
#38 Posted : Tuesday, November 08, 2011 12:05:20 PM
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GGK wrote:

I rest my case... It isn't wise to argue with a baron even if it is a sugar baron


@GGK,
I wish i was a sugar baronPray ....No!A drug baronDrool Pray .I would have bought all those miserables shares and made you and everybody else here happy after and foreverLaughing out loudly.Good day!
Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
mwanahisa
#39 Posted : Tuesday, November 08, 2011 12:17:14 PM
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Njung'e wrote:
Thanks Mwanahisa but are you sure you are not overating Guka?smile .....I am certain there are positives but what i hold is that the first half will not be rosy as we want to paint it.Several issues have conspired against this stock most recent.Weather,poor cane husbandry,planting plannning and of course a few other details,which have already been pointed out here by other Wazuans.My understanding is that production targets (sugar and power) are way off target and matters will not be helped by the fact that annual maintenance for next FY will be held in April 2011 or thereabout.If that happens,then the plant will have had two annual maintenance periods inside one FY.That will cut down production targets by a sizeable margin.

I also understand that the ethanol plant is behind by a whooping 6 months.Whereas production was supposed to start in Sept,this may not be possible until well past April 2012.....Now!


I am certainly mot overating you. Your record speaks for itself as far as MSC is concerned. It is always best to know what the situation is on the ground even when we speculate. At least now, I have an idea about current production conditions at the factory and will be sufficiently bearish in determining my buying price levels.

Incidentally, on the ethanol plant, I am not suprised at all. MSC is notorious for not delivering projects on time. The Cogen project springs to mind and as for TARDA - the less said the better. But, the market prices this into the share price and it seems to me we may NOT be too far off a worst case scenario.
Aguytrying
#40 Posted : Tuesday, November 08, 2011 12:27:11 PM
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mwanahisa wrote:
Njung'e wrote:
the deal wrote:
we are all trapped in this jail cell called Mumias sugar, I bought at 7.20 the rest is history.. .let's call a Kesha for this one.


Laughing out loudly ....Not laughing at you yet coz when i said we would drop,you said buy buy buy.There you are.I haven't retracted what i promised myself.....The low will still be in mid Jan....See you then hoping you will not have joined GGK in making a safe exit to your makerLaughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly


Njunge, as you well know, many of us do not like betting against you as far as Sugar is concerned. All the same, there appears to be more positives regarding MSC relative to the negatives ATM. Do you have any info on the current production figures?

Whereas we can not discount MSC's share price falling further, MSC swings quite a bit even in a bear market and I for one has been able to make 10-15% on those swings many a time. That means I can be both short and long term at these prices on MSC.

Besides, at a PE of less than 5, Price to Book of less than 1 and a yield approaching 10%, I believe there are worse places to get trapped in.


@ mwanahisa. I can relate to the price swings that make this a favourable share to trade. And you make a good case (as always). p.e 5, dividend yield of 10%, its really a good investment case. even if it does go lower.

As far as trading is concerned, its safe to do it in a share one has long term ambitions in. Otherwise, im done trading( unless for bonus shares of a long term play). Kengen gave me a sucker punch, still reeling from the effects. At least not in a bear market.
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