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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/9/2009 Posts: 6,592 Location: Nairobi
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Euge wrote:wondered how Kiswahili adds value. They don't speak Kiswahili at home anyway. Many parents need a bit more wisdom. Please don't shoot me people but will Kiswahili really have value in the future? Would you rather your kid learns swahili or Chinese, Spanish or French? I know what my answer is, venacular, English and one or two foreign languages unless he/she is going to work in Mombasa or Dar. BBI will solve it :)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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2012, I can't shoot you.....legit concern!!! ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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@2012, Kiswahili ni lugha muhimu sana. Inatumika kote katika nchi wanachama wa Jumuiya ya Afrika Mashariki.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/27/2008 Posts: 4,114
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2012 wrote:Euge wrote:wondered how Kiswahili adds value. They don't speak Kiswahili at home anyway. Many parents need a bit more wisdom. Please don't shoot me people but will Kiswahili really have value in the future? Would you rather your kid learns swahili or Chinese, Spanish or French? I know what my answer is, venacular, English and one or two foreign languages unless he/she is going to work in Mombasa or Dar. @2012; you have missed the whole point about education. It is not an issue of what you can do with a subject; it is about what learning a subject does in you! So you think mathematics is useful: when was the last time you calculated the area of a triangle? Would you then conclude that the formula [a-half-base-times-height] was useless? Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/23/2010 Posts: 1,229
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problem is the kiswahili they are taught is not the kiswahili we speak. Pick up any supposedly simple story book in kiswahili and if you go beyond page 3 without reaching for a kamusi, then you teach swahili. E.g. Book titled "Pupa za Bupa" (3e)(I couldnt even figure out what the title meant) On page 1: Tulikuwa tunakula chajio wakati baba alipokuja na habari hii nzuri. i dont know if i eat chajio but i suspect i do.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/23/2010 Posts: 1,229
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mukiha wrote: So you think mathematics is useful: when was the last time you calculated the area of a triangle? Would you then conclude that the formula [a-half-base-times-height] was useless? Not exactly useless but I'd rather they teach me how to find these formulas when I need them. had even forgotten its a half base times height. Guess how we compute compound interest...or how we figure out mortgage repayments...log onto a website, key in figures and presto a neat tabulation.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/9/2009 Posts: 6,592 Location: Nairobi
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mukiha wrote: @2012; you have missed the whole point about education. It is not an issue of what you can do with a subject; it is about what learning a subject does in you!
So you think mathematics is useful: when was the last time you calculated the area of a triangle? Would you then conclude that the formula [a-half-base-times-height] was useless?
Yes mathematic and english are very useful to me. Biology and Chemistry just wasted my time, thanks God they are optional subjects now. As for Kiswahili, I couldn't even read the damn Kinjeketile book but I managed to get an A. All I'm saying is people need not hide behind the illusion of identity in Kiswahili, my boss is from here and can speak fluent Engilsh, French and Spanish, swahili he straggles with but I'm sure he wouldn't excange any of the others for swahili if the offer was put on the table, question is, would you? BBI will solve it :)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/4/2008 Posts: 2,849 Location: Rupi
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2012 wrote:mukiha wrote: @2012; you have missed the whole point about education. It is not an issue of what you can do with a subject; it is about what learning a subject does in you!
So you think mathematics is useful: when was the last time you calculated the area of a triangle? Would you then conclude that the formula [a-half-base-times-height] was useless?
Yes mathematic and english are very useful to me. Biology and Chemistry just wasted my time, thanks God they are optional subjects now. As for Kiswahili, I couldn't even read the damn Kinjeketile book but I managed to get an A. All I'm saying is people need not hide behind the illusion of identity in Kiswahili, my boss is from here and can speak fluent Engilsh, French and Spanish, swahili he straggles with but I'm sure he wouldn't excange any of the others for swahili if the offer was put on the table, question is, would you? I proudly speak my mother tongue and Kiswahili. I love it and cant imagine people conversing in Kiswahili or my mother tongue only for the languages to sound like Chinese to me. Lord, thank you!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/27/2008 Posts: 4,114
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2012 wrote:mukiha wrote: @2012; you have missed the whole point about education. It is not an issue of what you can do with a subject; it is about what learning a subject does in you!
So you think mathematics is useful: when was the last time you calculated the area of a triangle? Would you then conclude that the formula [a-half-base-times-height] was useless?
Yes mathematic and english are very useful to me. Biology and Chemistry just wasted my time, thanks God they are optional subjects now. As for Kiswahili, I couldn't even read the damn Kinjeketile book but I managed to get an A. All I'm saying is people need not hide behind the illusion of identity in Kiswahili, my boss is from here and can speak fluent Engilsh, French and Spanish, swahili he straggles with but I'm sure he wouldn't excange any of the others for swahili if the offer was put on the table, question is, would you? So why do they still teach Latin in some British schools? Nobody uses that language anymore!! I repeat: Education is not just about what you can do with what you are taught; it is MORE about what it does to you... i.e., your thought processes, your style of reasoning, your emotions... your personality... Some one once said that the "medium is the message". The fact that you have to keep a Kamusi at hand to read and understand a story book makes you realise that whenever there is a difficulty, you can always get help by doing a little research. You don't have to be like the annoying wazuans who are always asking for links whenever there is a breaking story...yet there is google and bing etc! Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/4/2007 Posts: 1,162
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For Sport wrote:mukiha wrote: So you think mathematics is useful: when was the last time you calculated the area of a triangle? Would you then conclude that the formula [a-half-base-times-height] was useless? Not exactly useless but I'd rather they teach me how to find these formulas when I need them. had even forgotten its a half base times height. Guess how we compute compound interest...or how we figure out mortgage repayments...log onto a website, key in figures and presto a neat tabulation. @ For Sport, you can learn to derive the formulas thro' various methods. But if you can't remember basic formulas, how about derivation using say calculus?
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