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AlphDoti wrote:I support death sentence criminals: burglar, rapists, terrorist, adultery, corruption, murderer, etc
When the law is applied, you find the society rate of crime drops drastically.
It creates a sense of security within a society. Where people are not obliged to use large locks and steel doors, heavy security, burglar alarms, all these kinds of things, which are prominent in places like our country Kenya and western countries! People live in fear.
So to me, basically, the law is a deterrent. Something to discourage people.
And I agree, people should be present to observe it.
It is not for entertainment in public. But for them to see the law and application. The sight of it helps to enforce in the minds of the people the laws are being applied and we should avoid these kinds of crimes.
And a result of that you find that the rate of this crime is quite low in general in countries where strict law is applied without compromise. A law that has not as it's primary object a change of thoughts but rather a mere change of visible actions is no good. It is only for morbid 'entertainment'. The observers love such shallow laws.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Muriel wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Muriel wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Muriel wrote:marko wrote:Muriel wrote:Swenani wrote:marko wrote:Swenani wrote:No one has the right to determine whether or not you will be born and also to decided when you should die,I support life imprisonment instead of death So if someone raped and strangled to death your young daughter you would still be of the same view? Yes,By having that person killed will make you feel better or raise your young daughter from death? Judgement is not a case of repairing hurt feelings. But yes, it is possible to forgive that much. Just like someone makes a choice to end someones life in the process of violently robbing them so too so should they lose the right to their own life. Why should one be forgiven yet they themselves took a life that was not theirs to take? Those who forgive perpetrators of crimes against their loved ones are the exception and not the norm. Forgiveness is not exclusive of judgement. It's also still possible to forgive yet the consequences of the action still must be borne. @swenani, so what do you achieve by putting him life imprisonment, will that bring your daughter back? No it won't. But rehabilitation, the aim, is a victory in itself. It is just like saving another life. Statistics show that most of the offenders have 60% repeat of the same crime. Please google and confirm. Regardless, those of the remaining 40% must be very thankful in thought, word and action that they were given a shot at rehabilitation. I don't want to gamble with 40% of my daughter's life. If you were told a terrorist has 60% chance to repeat their bad act, would you release them after rehabilitation? Would you even take them to rehabilitation?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Muriel wrote:AlphDoti wrote:I support death sentence criminals: burglar, rapists, terrorist, adultery, corruption, murderer, etc
When the law is applied, you find the society rate of crime drops drastically.
It creates a sense of security within a society. Where people are not obliged to use large locks and steel doors, heavy security, burglar alarms, all these kinds of things, which are prominent in places like our country Kenya and western countries! People live in fear.
So to me, basically, the law is a deterrent. Something to discourage people.
And I agree, people should be present to observe it.
It is NOT FOR ENTERTAINMENT in public. But for them to see the law and application. The sight of it helps to enforce in the minds of the people the laws are being applied and we should avoid these kinds of crimes.
And a result of that you find that the rate of this crime is quite low in general in countries where strict law is applied without compromise. A law that has not as it's primary object a change of thoughts but rather a mere change of visible actions is no good. It is only for morbid 'entertainment'. The observers love such shallow laws. I said NOT FOR ENTERTAINMENT. Check my post above. And for sure it will not be for entertainment. Those who will witness a criminal being executed, will think twice if he had similar thoughts in his mind. The rate of crime will decrease as a result.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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AlphDoti wrote:Muriel wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Muriel wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Muriel wrote:marko wrote:Muriel wrote:Swenani wrote:marko wrote:Swenani wrote:No one has the right to determine whether or not you will be born and also to decided when you should die,I support life imprisonment instead of death So if someone raped and strangled to death your young daughter you would still be of the same view? Yes,By having that person killed will make you feel better or raise your young daughter from death? Judgement is not a case of repairing hurt feelings. But yes, it is possible to forgive that much. Just like someone makes a choice to end someones life in the process of violently robbing them so too so should they lose the right to their own life. Why should one be forgiven yet they themselves took a life that was not theirs to take? Those who forgive perpetrators of crimes against their loved ones are the exception and not the norm. Forgiveness is not exclusive of judgement. It's also still possible to forgive yet the consequences of the action still must be borne. @swenani, so what do you achieve by putting him life imprisonment, will that bring your daughter back? No it won't. But rehabilitation, the aim, is a victory in itself. It is just like saving another life. Statistics show that most of the offenders have 60% repeat of the same crime. Please google and confirm. Regardless, those of the remaining 40% must be very thankful in thought, word and action that they were given a shot at rehabilitation. I don't want to gamble with 40% of my daughter's life. If you were told a terrorist has 60% chance to repeat their bad act, would you release them after rehabilitation? Would you even take them to rehabilitation? That is the common opinion in some quarters about 'terrorists' and those of their persuasion, but I digress.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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AlphDoti wrote:Muriel wrote:AlphDoti wrote:I support death sentence criminals: burglar, rapists, terrorist, adultery, corruption, murderer, etc
When the law is applied, you find the society rate of crime drops drastically.
It creates a sense of security within a society. Where people are not obliged to use large locks and steel doors, heavy security, burglar alarms, all these kinds of things, which are prominent in places like our country Kenya and western countries! People live in fear.
So to me, basically, the law is a deterrent. Something to discourage people.
And I agree, people should be present to observe it.
It is NOT FOR ENTERTAINMENT in public. But for them to see the law and application. The sight of it helps to enforce in the minds of the people the laws are being applied and we should avoid these kinds of crimes.
And a result of that you find that the rate of this crime is quite low in general in countries where strict law is applied without compromise. A law that has not as it's primary object a change of thoughts but rather a mere change of visible actions is no good. It is only for morbid 'entertainment'. The observers love such shallow laws. I said NOT FOR ENTERTAINMENT. Check my post above. And for sure it will not be for entertainment. Those who will witness a criminal being executed, will think twice if he had similar thoughts in his mind. The rate of crime will decrease as a result. Your insistence is neither representative nor universal. Repeated observance of violence, it has been observed, builds tolerance to violence and lowers the threshold of violence. So whereas the outward actions are for a time suppressed, the thoughts and the mind become so ingrained with violence that the nature of the person is violent. A casual observance of such people is a good starting point to see this.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,570
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Muriel wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Muriel wrote:
No it won't. But rehabilitation, the aim, is a victory in itself. It is just like saving another life.
Statistics show that most of the offenders have 60% repeat of the same crime. Please google and confirm. Regardless, those of the remaining 40% must be very thankful in thought, word and action that they were given a shot at rehabilitation. Are freaking kidding me??? We have 60% more victims to save 40% of convicted criminals!!! An mind you, the victims will be more than 60% because the criminals will most probably commit more than one crime before they are re - arrested!!! So with a conservative estimate of 4 crimes before re - arrest we have 240% more victims to save 40% of criminals! And this is not counting the new members they will recruit both in and out of prison!!! 4 thugs murdered 147 plus innocent Kenyans in Garisa. How would you feel letting one such fellow walk the streets again??? Your neighbourhood. Your kids school. Where you shop. Where you daughter plays. This fellows should be executed (in public preferably) after having their day in court. This might not be politically correct to say (but I don't care!) but in my opinion, terrorists and their sympathizers don't even deserve a day in court. If there is evidence linking them to terrorism, ni kuokota kichwa kiambu na mwili Kisumu!!! Yeah, yeah. Where do we draw the line? For terrorists, I don't care. Remember those punks that were arrested, taken to court and were released on bond? The idiots carried out terrorist attacks, killing fellow Kenyans while out on bond! These are dogs!!! They have sold their soul to the devil. They should be dispatched out of this world ASAP before they take the rest of us with them. When they join these groups they know and actually plan to die. Let them die on OUR TERMS. Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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Now now Maichblack don't be in such haste. Make sure of your landing first before you jump.
I was factoring in change of attitude. Change of thoughts. Genuine 'repentance' in some parlance. (Absolutely not the one of Owuor) Obviously before any parole is given genuine remorse must be demonstrated. Those who have grown up feeding their minds with displays of violence, like Alphdoti's preferences, such that violence is now their nature are not likely to Walk this road. Hence it's absurd to suppose they will.
fortunately, since not all have had the disbenefit of such a background we should not be in haste.
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/15/2015 Posts: 681 Location: Kenya
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MaichBlack wrote:Muriel wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Muriel wrote:
No it won't. But rehabilitation, the aim, is a victory in itself. It is just like saving another life.
Statistics show that most of the offenders have 60% repeat of the same crime. Please google and confirm. Regardless, those of the remaining 40% must be very thankful in thought, word and action that they were given a shot at rehabilitation. Are freaking kidding me??? We have 60% more victims to save 40% of convicted criminals!!! An mind you, the victims will be more than 60% because the criminals will most probably commit more than one crime before they are re - arrested!!! So with a conservative estimate of 4 crimes before re - arrest we have 240% more victims to save 40% of criminals! And this is not counting the new members they will recruit both in and out of prison!!! 4 thugs murdered 147 plus innocent Kenyans in Garisa. How would you feel letting one such fellow walk the streets again??? Your neighbourhood. Your kids school. Where you shop. Where you daughter plays. This fellows should be executed (in public preferably) after having their day in court. This might not be politically correct to say (but I don't care!) but in my opinion, terrorists and their sympathizers don't even deserve a day in court. If there is evidence linking them to terrorism, ni kuokota kichwa kiambu na mwili Kisumu!!! Yeah, yeah. Where do we draw the line? For terrorists, I don't care. Remember those punks that were arrested, taken to court and were released on bond? The idiots carried out terrorist attacks, killing fellow Kenyans while out on bond! These are dogs!!! They have sold their soul to the devil. They should be dispatched out of this world ASAP before they take the rest of us with them. When they join these groups they know and actually plan to die. Let them die on OUR TERMS. Quite agree. This strategy worked with Gen Buhari on 80's and Rwanda in 2k's. The other theorem of saving 40% murderers sijui where it has worked.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Muriel wrote:Now now Maichblack don't be in such haste. Make sure of your landing first before you jump.
I was factoring in change of attitude. Change of thoughts. Genuine 'repentance' in some parlance. (Absolutely not the one of Owuor) Obviously before any parole is given genuine remorse must be demonstrated. Those who have grown up feeding their minds with displays of violence, like Alphdoti's preferences, such that violence is now their nature are not likely to Walk this road. Hence it's absurd to suppose they will.
fortunately, since not all have had the disbenefit of such a background we should not be in haste. @muriel, that is hate speech 
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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Laugh
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Alphdoti you do realize the popular opinion is against 'terrorists' and is rightfully caused by 'you'. If a new born can be gifted with a gun and grenade instead of diapers or with public displays of executions and beatings instead of forgiveness and love what are the odds he will be 'peaceful'? Yet 'peace, peace' you tell us!
There was a time I said to Alma, I think, that those in remand, for example, should be left in remand instead of bailing them out as most end up dead by police or mob or comrade after being b
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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Muriel wrote:Laugh
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Alphdoti you do realize the popular opinion is against 'terrorists' and is rightfully caused by 'you'. If a new born can be gifted with a gun and grenade instead of diapers or with public displays of executions and beatings instead of forgiveness and love what are the odds he will be 'peaceful'? Yet 'peace, peace' you tell us!
There was a time I said to Alma, I think, that those in remand, for example, should be left in remand instead of bailing them out as most end up dead by police or mob or comrade after being b
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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after being bailed. Was not I right then? They should not be with us within the population. Sometimes making peace with captivity is far better than parole as life is prolonged.
To me the end then justifies the means. As for those violent by nature I don't know if 'you' can benefit from that stance and I decline the task of prescribing what should be done.
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MaichBlack wrote:Muriel wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Muriel wrote:
No it won't. But rehabilitation, the aim, is a victory in itself. It is just like saving another life.
Statistics show that most of the offenders have 60% repeat of the same crime. Please google and confirm. Regardless, those of the remaining 40% must be very thankful in thought, word and action that they were given a shot at rehabilitation. Are freaking kidding me??? We have 60% more victims to save 40% of convicted criminals!!! An mind you, the victims will be more than 60% because the criminals will most probably commit more than one crime before they are re - arrested!!! So with a conservative estimate of 4 crimes before re - arrest we have 240% more victims to save 40% of criminals! And this is not counting the new members they will recruit both in and out of prison!!! 4 thugs murdered 147 plus innocent Kenyans in Garisa. How would you feel letting one such fellow walk the streets again??? Your neighbourhood. Your kids school. Where you shop. Where you daughter plays. This fellows should be executed (in public preferably) after having their day in court. This might not be politically correct to say (but I don't care!) but in my opinion, terrorists and their sympathizers don't even deserve a day in court. If there is evidence linking them to terrorism, ni kuokota kichwa kiambu na mwili Kisumu!!! Yeah, yeah. Where do we draw the line? For terrorists, I don't care. Remember those punks that were arrested, taken to court and were released on bond? The idiots carried out terrorist attacks, killing fellow Kenyans while out on bond! These are dogs!!! They have sold their soul to the devil. They should be dispatched out of this world ASAP before they take the rest of us with them. When they join these groups they know and actually plan to die. Let them die on OUR TERMS. We are not releasing them back to society,We are asking that instead of killing them,lock them up for life If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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8 drug traffickers down. Glad they overcame all the hullabaloo to respect their sovereignty. Kudos Indonesia. Uhuru should be man enough and sign all those pending conviction. Alternatively, assign that responsibility and will be humbled to serve the Republic doing what it's necessary work to prosper
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Muriel wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Muriel wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Muriel wrote:marko wrote:Muriel wrote:Swenani wrote:marko wrote:Swenani wrote:No one has the right to determine whether or not you will be born and also to decided when you should die,I support life imprisonment instead of death So if someone raped and strangled to death your young daughter you would still be of the same view? Yes,By having that person killed will make you feel better or raise your young daughter from death? Judgement is not a case of repairing hurt feelings. But yes, it is possible to forgive that much. Just like someone makes a choice to end someones life in the process of violently robbing them so too so should they lose the right to their own life. Why should one be forgiven yet they themselves took a life that was not theirs to take? Those who forgive perpetrators of crimes against their loved ones are the exception and not the norm. Forgiveness is not exclusive of judgement. It's also still possible to forgive yet the consequences of the action still must be borne. @swenani, so what do you achieve by putting him life imprisonment, will that bring your daughter back? No it won't. But rehabilitation, the aim, is a victory in itself. It is just like saving another life. Statistics show that most of the offenders have 60% repeat of the same crime. Please google and confirm. Regardless, those of the remaining 40% must be very thankful in thought, word and action that they were given a shot at rehabilitation. I wouldnt mind having them rehabilitated in the grave. It is safer that way.
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Wendz wrote:Muriel wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Muriel wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Muriel wrote:marko wrote:Muriel wrote:Swenani wrote:marko wrote:Swenani wrote:No one has the right to determine whether or not you will be born and also to decided when you should die,I support life imprisonment instead of death So if someone raped and strangled to death your young daughter you would still be of the same view? Yes,By having that person killed will make you feel better or raise your young daughter from death? Judgement is not a case of repairing hurt feelings. But yes, it is possible to forgive that much. Just like someone makes a choice to end someones life in the process of violently robbing them so too so should they lose the right to their own life. Why should one be forgiven yet they themselves took a life that was not theirs to take? Those who forgive perpetrators of crimes against their loved ones are the exception and not the norm. Forgiveness is not exclusive of judgement. It's also still possible to forgive yet the consequences of the action still must be borne. @swenani, so what do you achieve by putting him life imprisonment, will that bring your daughter back? No it won't. But rehabilitation, the aim, is a victory in itself. It is just like saving another life. Statistics show that most of the offenders have 60% repeat of the same crime. Please google and confirm. Regardless, those of the remaining 40% must be very thankful in thought, word and action that they were given a shot at rehabilitation. I wouldnt mind having them rehabilitated in the grave. It is safer that way. Wendz, alright. Read this story in it's entirety and if in the end you feel nothing then it is ok.Quote:“In the ten years since they were arrested, they did all they could to make amends, helping others. They asked for mercy but there was none,” it said. It may also be relevant to know that those are akina Alphdoti doing their thing as they know best.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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Thitifini wrote:MaichBlack wrote:Muriel wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Muriel wrote:
No it won't. But rehabilitation, the aim, is a victory in itself. It is just like saving another life.
Statistics show that most of the offenders have 60% repeat of the same crime. Please google and confirm. Regardless, those of the remaining 40% must be very thankful in thought, word and action that they were given a shot at rehabilitation. Are freaking kidding me??? We have 60% more victims to save 40% of convicted criminals!!! An mind you, the victims will be more than 60% because the criminals will most probably commit more than one crime before they are re - arrested!!! So with a conservative estimate of 4 crimes before re - arrest we have 240% more victims to save 40% of criminals! And this is not counting the new members they will recruit both in and out of prison!!! 4 thugs murdered 147 plus innocent Kenyans in Garisa. How would you feel letting one such fellow walk the streets again??? Your neighbourhood. Your kids school. Where you shop. Where you daughter plays. This fellows should be executed (in public preferably) after having their day in court. This might not be politically correct to say (but I don't care!) but in my opinion, terrorists and their sympathizers don't even deserve a day in court. If there is evidence linking them to terrorism, ni kuokota kichwa kiambu na mwili Kisumu!!! Yeah, yeah. Where do we draw the line? For terrorists, I don't care. Remember those punks that were arrested, taken to court and were released on bond? The idiots carried out terrorist attacks, killing fellow Kenyans while out on bond! These are dogs!!! They have sold their soul to the devil. They should be dispatched out of this world ASAP before they take the rest of us with them. When they join these groups they know and actually plan to die. Let them die on OUR TERMS. Quite agree. This strategy worked with Gen Buhari on 80's and Rwanda in 2k's. The other theorem of saving 40% murderers sijui where it has worked. Gen Buhari in the 80's was not dealing with terrorist or with those who opine it is a higher calling.
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alma1 wrote:alphdoti
unfortunately your reply only makes it worse. What's this Islamic law that allows people to be beheaded in public? @alma, here are some examples in the Bible. Nothing has changed in Islam: Attacking one's parents: Exodus 21:15 Anyone who attacks his father or his mother must be put to death. Kidnapping: Exodus 21:16 Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death. Cursing one's parents: Exodus 21:17 Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death. Bestiality: Exodus 22:19 Anyone who has sexual relations with an animal must be put to death. Violating Sabbath: Exodus 31:14 'Observe the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Anyone who desecrates it must be put to death; 15 Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day must be put to death. Incest: Leviticus 20:12 'If a man sleeps with his daughter-in-law, both of them must be put to death. What they have done is a perversion; their blood will be on their own heads. Sodomy or gay-ism: Leviticus 20:13 'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
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AlphDoti wrote:alma1 wrote:alphdoti
unfortunately your reply only makes it worse. What's this Islamic law that allows people to be beheaded in public? @alma, here are some examples in the Bible. Nothing has changed in Islam: Attacking one's parents: Exodus 21:15 Anyone who attacks his father or his mother must be put to death. Kidnapping: Exodus 21:16 Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death. Cursing one's parents: Exodus 21:17 Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death. AlphDoti, please don't bother engaging me in an argument about since those people are evil, it's ok to be evil too. I don't listen to such nonsense. I'm well aware that there are shortcomings in the Bible. And if you continue with your shallow arguments, you'll find me joining Hambuglar What I saw was a person beheaded. I don't care if that was in the Bible or the Quran and Jesus himself wrote it as Muhammed was looking at it.It is wrong. It is wrong and can never be right. But again, human beings try to blame their God's for all manner of evil. You aren't converting me into Islam anytime soon with those types of arguments. And if a Christian tried to use the same arguments with me, they would lose too. Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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alma1 wrote:AlphDoti wrote:alma1 wrote:alphdoti
unfortunately your reply only makes it worse. What's this Islamic law that allows people to be beheaded in public? @alma, here are some examples in the Bible. Nothing has changed in Islam: Attacking one's parents: Exodus 21:15 Anyone who attacks his father or his mother must be put to death. Kidnapping: Exodus 21:16 Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death. Cursing one's parents: Exodus 21:17 Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death. AlphDoti, please don't bother engaging me in an argument about since those people are evil, it's ok to be evil too. I don't listen to such nonsense. I'm well aware that there are shortcomings in the Bible. And if you continue with your shallow arguments, you'll find me joining Hambuglar What I saw was a person beheaded. I don't care if that was in the Bible or the Quran and Jesus himself wrote it as Muhammed was looking at it.It is wrong. It is wrong and can never be right. But again, human beings try to blame their God's for all manner of evil. You aren't converting me into Islam anytime soon with those types of arguments. And if a Christian tried to use the same arguments with me, they would lose too. @alma, you asked me a question, remember! This was in response to your question: " What's this Islamic law..."
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