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OLYMPIA CAPITAL MATERIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
Sober
#21 Posted : Thursday, July 21, 2011 8:42:28 PM
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erifloss wrote:
'And the award of the most useless CEO goes to......' Instead of gold he turns every investment to fools gold or rather dust.


Why do these guys always talk about offshore investment...mara south african investment in construction sector becaise of world cup, and now am hearing of south korea.
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#22 Posted : Thursday, July 21, 2011 9:49:27 PM
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Sober wrote:
erifloss wrote:
'And the award of the most useless CEO goes to......' Instead of gold he turns every investment to fools gold or rather dust.


Why do these guys always talk about offshore investment...mara south african investment in construction sector becaise of world cup, and now am hearing of south korea.


Maybe they just want to be thought of as an 'international' entity.
Cde, wewe utawachwa nyuma with your 'Panafrican-ness'
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FUNKY
#23 Posted : Friday, July 22, 2011 8:41:45 AM
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If i am not wrong,Olympia Capital are the former Dunlop Industries in Kenya. Any one has any idea about how their performance is in the Botswana Stock Exchange as they are listed there as well?
accelriskconsult
#24 Posted : Friday, July 22, 2011 9:28:46 AM
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Sober wrote:
erifloss wrote:
'And the award of the most useless CEO goes to......' Instead of gold he turns every investment to fools gold or rather dust.


Why do these guys always talk about offshore investment...mara south african investment in construction sector becaise of world cup, and now am hearing of south korea.



Good question. The CMA ought to perform some due diligence on this company. Reliance on audited financial statements is clearly not working. I will not be surprised if what is presented as investments outside of Kenya is nothing but hot air.
FUNKY
#25 Posted : Friday, July 22, 2011 9:30:53 AM
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@ accelriskconsult - Who are the auditors of Olympia Capital?
VituVingiSana
#26 Posted : Friday, July 22, 2011 10:03:22 AM
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FUNKY wrote:
@ accelriskconsult - Who are the auditors of Olympia Capital?

DCDM but auditors do not give EPS calcs unless in the Financial Statements! I think this was calculated by B.U.R.E.K.A.B.I.S.A to con folks!
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#27 Posted : Friday, July 22, 2011 10:09:19 AM
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FUNKY wrote:
If i am not wrong,Olympia Capital are the former Dunlop Industries in Kenya. Any one has any idea about how their performance is in the Botswana Stock Exchange as they are listed there as well?


I think its performance in botswana is the same as here, the share has registered a significant drop in the last 12 months.

http://www.bse.co.bw/lis...ted.php?company=OLYMPIA#
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#28 Posted : Friday, July 22, 2011 10:41:34 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
FUNKY wrote:
@ accelriskconsult - Who are the auditors of Olympia Capital?

DCDM but auditors do not give EPS calcs unless in the Financial Statements! I think this was calculated by B.U.R.E.K.A.B.I.S.A to con folks!



Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly VVV you are addressing a veteran- an ex top 4 auditor and that is why even without checking I knew that Olympia has a middle level firm as auditors. I did not even consider the accuracy of numbers presented. I am more concerned that there may be no and there may never have been investments in SA, Botswana or even Korea. It would be interesting for DCDM to tell us what procedures they performed to confirm the investments in foreign countries. To be honest the CMA is not doing enough to police these companies. As far as I am concerned audited financial statements can mislead even the very best. Supervision should include on site visits and checks on operations. The managers of Access Kenya and Olympia seem to have pulled a fast one on the investing public as well as the CMA. In some other countries, such actions would be considered economic crimes and the prison sentences would be lengthy.
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#29 Posted : Friday, July 22, 2011 11:00:33 AM
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@accelriskconsult - The Botswana subsidiary is also listed so audited locally. I doubt the Kenyan auditors go to Botswana if there is a local firm that audits the subsidiary. I think the same DCDM does the Botswana audits.

I have no issues with the auditor. In a past AGM, the auditor (to the discomfort of B.U.R.E.K.A.B.I.S.A) read a speech that criticized the Corporate Governance of Olympia! You should have seen the faces of the Directors. I thought they were going to fire DCDM on the spot!
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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#30 Posted : Friday, July 22, 2011 11:13:48 AM
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You have got to give it to Matu. He's managed to con the market until there are no sellers. Of course who would want to sell a share at 4.50 when it is making 3.31 shillings and Matu is promising more?
FUNKY
#31 Posted : Friday, July 22, 2011 11:17:04 AM
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Who Knows maybe this year Olympia might rebound back and surprise everyone. I bought some just for " SPECULATION PURPOSES" yesterday. Lets see what happens now.
Iborian
#32 Posted : Friday, July 22, 2011 11:23:50 AM
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Are you the same chap who bought CMC @12.90 and kept on urging others to do the same with a promise of it hitting 15?

FUNKY wrote:
Who Knows maybe this year Olympia might rebound back and surprise everyone. I bought some just for " SPECULATION PURPOSES" yesterday. Lets see what happens now.

Iborian
#33 Posted : Friday, July 22, 2011 11:25:42 AM
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BTW, has anyone seen the published Olpmpia results in any media other than online? Anything in the newspapers?
FUNKY
#34 Posted : Friday, July 22, 2011 11:41:58 AM
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@ Iborian-I was checking today's Daily Nation for the same but did not find...don't know about whether it has been published in EA Standard or not. As for CMC motors yes i did buy at 12.90/- and you just wait for their six month results i will have proven my self right.
accelriskconsult
#35 Posted : Friday, July 22, 2011 12:23:26 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
@accelriskconsult - The Botswana subsidiary is also listed so audited locally. I doubt the Kenyan auditors go to Botswana if there is a local firm that audits the subsidiary. I think the same DCDM does the Botswana audits.

I have no issues with the auditor. In a past AGM, the auditor (to the discomfort of B.U.R.E.K.A.B.I.S.A) read a speech that criticized the Corporate Governance of Olympia! You should have seen the faces of the Directors. I thought they were going to fire DCDM on the spot!



VVV-veni vidi vici - thanks for the comment on the performance of DCDM.

The auditors of OCL Botswana are BDO Spencer. I would not trust them too much though.

There is a Swaziland pensions manager that had a member of staff who was stashing cheques in the drawer instead of banking and reinvesting the proceeds. The company was still getting a clean opinion from the external auditors.

What I learnt from external audit is that due diligence should include independent checks. Auditors look at a very narrow scope and will for example not be concerned with repatriation of profits through inflated management/consulting fees and concentration risk. Debt covenants, sweetheart deals with 'supposed' suppliers etc. All these are risks that an investor should be worried about. For all I know, Plush Products and Kalahari Floors could be making more money that is reported to Olympia. Some manufacturing companies go as far as creating entities that pose as customers in order to obtain borrowing or more funding from investors. The external auditor and lenders are especially blind to this kind of risk.

If bank credit appraisers started understanding what an unqualified opinion on the financial statements meant, quite a number of borrowers would be turned away.

selah
#36 Posted : Friday, July 22, 2011 12:31:46 PM
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What I fear about this company is when they report huge sums of money going to non controlling interests,while share holders are left with peanuts.
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Magnetic Touch
#37 Posted : Friday, July 22, 2011 1:01:25 PM
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@Selah, Maybe Matu & Co. are the "non controlling interests".
VituVingiSana
#38 Posted : Friday, July 22, 2011 2:22:05 PM
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accelriskconsult wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
@accelriskconsult - The Botswana subsidiary is also listed so audited locally. I doubt the Kenyan auditors go to Botswana if there is a local firm that audits the subsidiary. I think the same DCDM does the Botswana audits.

I have no issues with the auditor. In a past AGM, the auditor (to the discomfort of B.U.R.E.K.A.B.I.S.A) read a speech that criticized the Corporate Governance of Olympia! You should have seen the faces of the Directors. I thought they were going to fire DCDM on the spot!


VVV-veni vidi vici - thanks for the comment on the performance of DCDM.

The auditors of OCL Botswana are BDO Spencer. I would not trust them too much though.

There is a Swaziland pensions manager that had a member of staff who was stashing cheques in the drawer instead of banking and reinvesting the proceeds. The company was still getting a clean opinion from the external auditors.

What I learnt from external audit is that due diligence should include independent checks. Auditors look at a very narrow scope and will for example not be concerned with repatriation of profits through inflated management/consulting fees and concentration risk. Debt covenants, sweetheart deals with 'supposed' suppliers etc. All these are risks that an investor should be worried about. For all I know, Plush Products and Kalahari Floors could be making more money that is reported to Olympia. Some manufacturing companies go as far as creating entities that pose as customers in order to obtain borrowing or more funding from investors. The external auditor and lenders are especially blind to this kind of risk.

If bank credit appraisers started understanding what an unqualified opinion on the financial statements meant, quite a number of borrowers would be turned away.

For now I am stuck with the pieces of shit & until B.U.R.E.K.A.B.I.S.A is fired I will not encourage anyone to buy into it!
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
FUNKY
#39 Posted : Friday, July 22, 2011 2:30:15 PM
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@ VituVingiSana - you bought them at what price?
Iborian
#40 Posted : Friday, July 22, 2011 2:42:32 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
For now I am stuck with the pieces of shit & until B.U.R.E.K.A.B.I.S.A is fired I will not encourage anyone to buy into it!

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