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KNH battles with cancer crisis
FundamentAli
#11 Posted : Tuesday, February 22, 2011 4:28:45 PM
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Ms Mkenya wrote:
@Wendz, please do NOT go to the children's cancer ward first. Go to an adult cancer ward. Then if you are up to it, go to the children's ward. It is a very sad ward (for you, the children play anyway when they can).
Alternatively, you can volunteer to help at the Nairobi Hospice, also located in KNH.

@Fundamentali, there is a cancer centre near M.P Shah but its damn expensive. And i can assure you eben the others will be. What we need is these ones that are supposed cheaper being availed. Those who can afford are being treated anyway and are not subjected to waiting.

On another note, i think people really do need to buy good health insurance!


@ Ms Kenya,

Even the private hospital have been making a cry to the government. Nairobi Hospital CEO asked for subsidies to make treatment affordable. If government cannot provisde such a service, it should to work with others.

As for health insurance and proposed national insurance, imagine what mess there will be if we trust GoK. GoK has to put its house in order first. Nyongo must be using BUPA hence his afforded stay in the US. Telling us wananchi to pay national insurance and our senior members having international covers is cheating mwananchi. After all, they only want a bigger kitty to steal from. As PLO puts it, corruption levels in this country are worrying.
Ms Mkenya
#12 Posted : Tuesday, February 22, 2011 5:16:20 PM
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Pastor M wrote:
@Ms Kenya..."On another note, i think people really do need to buy good health insurance!


I m shopping for a good health insurance to buy for my parents...which insurance do you think will fit my budget of between 10k -15 k per year.[/quote]

@Pasi, it depends on how old they are. Most insurances do not take people above 60 years, max 65 as new entrants. And the premiums are high as one gets older, i suspect 15k is not enough. You can ask @Guka how much he pays smile
But NHIF is a good place to start.

@Fundamentali, of cos Nyongo is using BUPA! Or your taxes.. The rest of us need to 'jipanga'.
....above all, to stand.
Wendz
#13 Posted : Tuesday, February 22, 2011 5:19:34 PM
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Ms Mkenya wrote:
@Wendz, please do NOT go to the children's cancer ward first. Go to an adult cancer ward. Then if you are up to it, go to the children's ward. It is a very sad ward (for you, the children play anyway when they can).
Alternatively, you can volunteer to help at the Nairobi Hospice, also located in KNH.

@Fundamentali, there is a cancer centre near M.P Shah but its damn expensive. And i can assure you even the others will be. What we need is these ones that are supposed cheaper being availed. Those who can afford are being treated anyway and are not subjected to waiting.

On another note, i think people really do need to buy good health insurance!


Thanks for the heads-up.... i know my heart is not very strong with some things and have a very very soft spot for children..... I know even the grown ups wards are not easy place to be but I will brace myself.
Euge
#14 Posted : Wednesday, February 23, 2011 12:38:48 PM
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Pastor M 15k is on the lower side. The older you get, the more expensive it gets. Try APA, they cover old people.
Lord, thank you!
Mpenzi
#15 Posted : Wednesday, February 23, 2011 12:54:11 PM
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I read somewhere that with a total of about 1 Billion shillings the country should be able to equip all the major districts hospitals with at least one of these machines. Since this is now a crisis what is stopping the govt from allocating such an amount for this purpose immediately?

I realise there are other issues - eg lack of enough trained personnel to operate the machines, cost of drugs - but surely training of the necessary personnel can be fast-tracked, for a start.
Mpenzi
#16 Posted : Wednesday, February 23, 2011 12:59:50 PM
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Euge wrote:
Pastor M 15k is on the lower side. The older you get, the more expensive it gets. Try APA, they cover old people.


Even APA doesnt appear useful if you are over 58:

"Individual Health

The APA individual and family health cover insurance is designed to provide total peace of mind for you and your family in case of hospitalization .......

the cover provides a comprehensive and flexible hospitalization (inpatient) cover.

.......

Special Conditions ......

* Age Limit -3 months - 70 years (Maximum joining age 58 years)"

http://www.apainsurance....lth_insurance/index.php
Pastor M
#17 Posted : Wednesday, February 23, 2011 2:15:12 PM
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Anybody who have might have bought this policy CIC insurance.
Kindly advise how it is.....

http://www.cic.co.ke/Our-Policies/Micro-Insurance

BIMA YA JAMII - A revolutionary comprehensive insurance package at only 3,650 KSH per family per year, which is 10 KSH per day.


Benefits:
• No upper age limit
• Ensures there are no deposits required at admission to hospital
• Covers principal member and family members
• Pays all doctor fees, bed charges, including food, X-ray and laboratory costs, all prescribed drugs, dressings, ICU charges and any other in-patient procedure
• Pays maternity costs for normal and caesarean births
• Pays for treatment of chronic and pre-existing medical conditions
• All surgeries carried out in government hospitals (Category A) are fully covered. For surgeries carried out in Category B hospitals i.e. mission hospitals, Kenyatta Hospital and Moi Referral, there will be a charge of 1 KSH to a maximum of 15,000 KSH depending on the nature of the surgery
• Guaranteed quality treatment
• Rebates at high-cost private hospitals
Euge
#18 Posted : Wednesday, February 23, 2011 3:47:05 PM
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Pastor, I haven't bought it but I know it covers those who are not in formal employment and its for mainly public ( and I think mission) hospitals.
Lord, thank you!
tajiri
#19 Posted : Wednesday, February 23, 2011 9:30:48 PM
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Cancer care in Kenya is extremely poor. The pain, lack of support and expense makes it really difficult. The big C as it's called, knows no class from Steve Jobs to the patient lying in KNH. While we advocate for radiotherapy equipment we should be realistic about our goals and capabilities. Radiotherapy is just one of the forms of treatment and most patients need some form of chemotherapy. Kenya has very few well trained cancer specialists. We have radiotherapy equipment at New Nyanza Hospital that was never used.
Chemotherapy drugs are also very expensive and patients need to be free from infections during treatment with good laboratory support, which is absent in Kenya.
Using health economics, it would be a futile mission trying to set up radiotherapy centres yet patients still die of malaria, diarrhoea and pneumonia. These problems have a greater burden of disease in Kenya and need sorting. I suppose we should improve survival from common ailments first. It reminds me of Prof Nyongo talking of centres of excellence while district hospitals have no medication, supplies and staff. Visit thika district hospital, kisii level 5 and kisumu district hospitals; tears will drop from your eyes as you witness poverty and disease. We can all make a difference by supporting any charity involved in health care.. Not necessarily financial but expertise in accounting, procurement, health education, environmental safety,HR.
No form of pain or loss is desirable. Maybe some preventative medicine with lifestyle changes could also help.
Pastor M
#20 Posted : Thursday, February 24, 2011 9:00:22 AM
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@tajiri well said sir....I think in Kenya healthy has never being a priority to our leaders and also to the normal kenyan.It only becomes a priority when a sickness strikes when one of your family member or a friend is diagnosed with a major diseases we run all over blaming satan.How many of us just go to hospital just for regular medical check up?how many of us take our families medical check up ? and we all know that its recommended you go for check up once a year.I once attended a breast cancer check up and despite the many advertising that were all over the town the attendance was very low, mind you it was free.why do we take our healthy for granted when told stop eating that kind of food,stop drinking,stop smoking....
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