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How much do you save and how do you do it?
kadonye
#11 Posted : Friday, February 11, 2011 6:01:03 PM
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2012 wrote:
madhaquer wrote:
I rarely ever go to the bank everything is in standing orders and I access the spending account through the atm by the 10th that account is empty having distributed cash all over.


Which bank are you with? My bank charges 400bob for per standing order and I cannot join those banks that have a monthly fee.



Where do you bank? NIC has an account with ksh 800 standing charge with limitless standing orders...I dont bank there. I bank with KCB and standing orders are Kes.250.
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qw25041985
#12 Posted : Friday, February 11, 2011 7:48:52 PM
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2012 wrote:
madhaquer wrote:
I rarely ever go to the bank everything is in standing orders and I access the spending account through the atm by the 10th that account is empty having distributed cash all over.


Which bank are you with? My bank charges 400bob for per standing order and I cannot join those banks that have a monthly fee.


kadonye wrote:
I think that is on a higher side unless one is dependent on someone else. I think 10pc minimum is the best. Please dont forget that consumption includes money spent on social items and religious deductions like tithes...


I tried it and it works but it's a struggle. I need to make some lifestyle adjustments for it to work consistently e.g move to a cheaper area code and obey the Mututho rules.

60/40 of 100k example;

The 60%
Rent 20k
Expenditure 20k
Entertainment 10k
Transport/misc 10k

The 40%
Tithe 10k
Short term savings 10k
Long term savings 10k
Emergency kitty (six month survival) 10k

The Loans
In this concept these payments will obviously come from the 40%. Pay your tithe and use the other 30% to pay off your loans. As the good book says if you have debt you are servant to your lender.


@ 2012 LOL Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly . and so far how are u doing
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madhaquer
#13 Posted : Friday, February 11, 2011 10:37:46 PM
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@qw25041985 I am in co-op bank and so is my sacco account + my expense account. A standing order is 150 bob. Just a beer each. A standing order from co-op bank to another bank is 200 bob. My account is a simple savings deposit with no monthly charges.

I purposed to cut costs for my plans to work consistently, so once my expense account runs out I'm screwed. to avoid that I shop once a month for household items, fuel weekly and use the rest for misc (mainly for tutharing)
BGL
#14 Posted : Saturday, February 12, 2011 12:35:20 AM
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NSE is my saving account.

The ''Classical Saving culture'' which i define as letting the bank keep my money and pay me 1.45% while if i want a loan i pay 18% plus all sorts of fees is a culture which was never inculcated in me when i was young and growing up!

That said i vowed never to repeat the same mistake. My young children have bank accounts with over 5 zeroes charged by standing orders... i would rather fix it with an overdraft than not to charge their account.... the good thing with this accounts 'Kids' is that they have no charges at all but accumulate some stupidly ridiculously low interest but it sole purpos eis to take care of their educational and other needs. I also have a savings account which is the primary recipient of all the dividends paid but most of the time it is always in red!

All the free money goes to the NSE a 5 zero figure every two months from my checking account. This is what i consider my saving account (NSE Shares) because i can always liquidate and take cash in a week... When i need cash fast enough my credit card takes care of that. I have also developed a culture oof spending is via Credit Cards and paying my bills at the end of the month when i get the statement. Its my checking account dominating the proceedings and sorting out all the major expenses via standing orders.
Most people hate credit cards..... because of the wrong reasons...or because the media potrays them as such....credit cards just makes things easier and unlike a debit card i am cushioned against unauthorised transactions over the internet if the details falls to thugs..... i fell a victim once and i never paid a single cent from the fraudulent transactions amounting to 55K by the time i realised something when my card was rejected as i was shopping at Tuskys and called Visa only to be told that my card was being to purchase airline tickets plus hotel room deposits in Spain.

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runjam
#15 Posted : Friday, February 25, 2011 8:36:06 AM
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Location: kenya
2012 wrote:
madhaquer wrote:
I rarely ever go to the bank everything is in standing orders and I access the spending account through the atm by the 10th that account is empty having distributed cash all over.


Which bank are you with? My bank charges 400bob for per standing order and I cannot join those banks that have a monthly fee.


kadonye wrote:
I think that is on a higher side unless one is dependent on someone else. I think 10pc minimum is the best. Please dont forget that consumption includes money spent on social items and religious deductions like tithes...


I tried it and it works but it's a struggle. I need to make some lifestyle adjustments for it to work consistently e.g move to a cheaper area code and obey the Mututho rules.

60/40 of 100k example;

The 60%
Rent 20k
Expenditure 20k
Entertainment 10k
Transport/misc 10k

The 40%
Tithe 10k
Short term savings 10k
Long term savings 10k
Emergency kitty (six month survival) 10k

The Loans
In this concept these payments will obviously come from the 40%. Pay your tithe and use the other 30% to pay off your loans. As the good book says if you have debt you are servant to your lender.


@madhaquer, where does the PAYE fall ?
2012
#16 Posted : Friday, February 25, 2011 11:30:04 AM
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runjam wrote:
where does the PAYE fall ?


This is on net not gross. Never count paye it will never be yours but there are ways of reducing what caesar takes eg increasing your pension contribution to 20k and mortgage.
Speak to your accountants, they know things only gods know. Have you ever wondered how those accountants with average salaries have so many lucrative investments? Never tharao them, they know mathings.

BBI will solve it
:)
bwenyenye
#17 Posted : Friday, February 25, 2011 11:34:28 AM
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DO I reaaly save? i.e in the context of having a bank account with cash. I don't really think so. Yes I have some little money in the account but I would not call that saving.

@2012, I agree that almost 90% of the middle class are financially the living dead! and could be dead in he next 5 to 10 years. I tried to bring that up here in a thread on 'car maintenance high' but I was shouted down.

Now how do I save? I am not afraid of loans. I realise that there are good and bad loans. I do not borrow to further lifestyle i.e cars, school fees, clothing, holidays etc. I borrow and invest ( not on high risk investments like speculation at the NSE) I look for real estate, bonds etc.E.g , I borrowed to buy the Kengen bond. Yes it looked rediculous to many to borrow @16% and earn at 12%. But I saw it differently, I am saving for my kids fund. I pay for 4 years and earn for 10 years after which I still get my savings back to reinvest. Technically I may never need to earn for my kids fees again if I invest the proceeds well. To me, that is how I save.

I think about 70% of my household income goes to such activities every month.
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Muthawamunene
#18 Posted : Friday, February 25, 2011 12:38:04 PM
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20 year old student. parents not paul wanderi and martha stewart (though i wish they were) i save 1k a month and bottom feed on the nse.
MaichBlack
#19 Posted : Friday, February 25, 2011 8:26:59 PM
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Muthawamunene wrote:
20 year old student. parents not paul wanderi and martha stewart (though i wish they were) i save 1k a month and bottom feed on the nse.

Congrats. See my post above [post #4] and click on the link at the end and see the power of compound interest.

By the way, most wazuans were not investing/saving at 20 so you are doing very well for yourself. And what's more, by the time you get big money, you'll already have the knowledge/expertise/experience and the mindset to save and invest. Your kids will not wish Paul Wanderi was their father coz their real father/mother [not sure] - @Muthawamunene - will be doing much better. That's my prayer for you
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
Cde Monomotapa
#20 Posted : Friday, February 25, 2011 10:04:24 PM
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MaichBlack wrote:
Muthawamunene wrote:
20 year old student. parents not paul wanderi and martha stewart (though i wish they were) i save 1k a month and bottom feed on the nse.

Congrats. See my post above [post #4] and click on the link at the end and see the power of compound interest.

By the way, most wazuans were not investing/saving at 20 so you are doing very well for yourself. And what's more, by the time you get big money, you'll already have the knowledge/expertise/experience and the mindset to save and invest. Your kids will not wish Paul Wanderi was their father coz their real father/mother [not sure] - @Muthawamunene - will be doing much better. That's my prayer for you

AMEN!!
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