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Education/Life Policy
niando
#11 Posted : Tuesday, February 01, 2011 4:19:47 PM
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Been with CFC life for 7 years , no problem so far(may be because mine in mostly a life cover with a small income building option so I dont mind much about any returns from the policy as long as my life is covered if I kick the bucket immaturely)

But my advise is that If you have to take life insurance take pure life.

Insurance is not an investment.


I had another policy with another company . This was sold by a Wazuan to me in 2008 after a hyped marketing gimmicks in the former Stockskenya.But I feel very much defrauded.The guy also left the company

He had told us that the policy will have a 12.5% return per year.

After 3 years, one can withdraw and get 100% of the fund.

I joined.

Come end of year one, I get a statement showing that only 55% of my premium was going to investment.(this had not been disclosed to me)
This was a shock of lifetime.
Come year 2 only 90% of the policy was being credited to the investment.
The 'investment' had barely grown.

Year 3 the same.

I decided to cancel the policy after end of year 3, Last year , at a 30% loss just to cut loses.

After that the premiums I had been paying ,I redirected them to my CDS account. My return on shares is now 15%.

I get valuable information on the shares to invest from Wazua.


Investment insurance is just a legitimate fraud





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Shal
#12 Posted : Tuesday, February 01, 2011 5:06:23 PM
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Joined: 11/3/2009
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I have been toiling with the idea of education insurance for some time and after doing my math, i really concur with the guys who think one is better off with other forms of investment. Think of better things to do with your money and forget edu. insurance.
Pablo
#13 Posted : Tuesday, February 01, 2011 6:20:07 PM
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Location: Nairobi
Got a WHOLE LIFE insurance policy for my better half who is in business two years ago. For a 10M package the premiums are less than 50k a year with Old Mutual. A similar package with the investment component (such as the education plan) would be more like 50k a month. The return on this endowment things is typically less that 3% annualized.

By the way the agents eat possibly 25% of each premium you pay to the insurance company as commissions for this education things. That's why they follow you like a bloodhound.
shenzitype
#14 Posted : Tuesday, February 01, 2011 9:59:17 PM
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Joined: 2/13/2007
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Benefits of ins cont...

3. Peace of mind. Say, you have this very elaborate business plan and the only thing that is left is what u can't control - death and injury, Ins guarantees you that in case of either the world that you leave behind read (family) is left with a measure of income preventing them from raiding the business start ups that you had set up. (bankruptcy)

I knw Africans we do not believe in planing for such contingencies but we are also geting increasingly urbanized
mukiha
#15 Posted : Wednesday, February 02, 2011 10:43:03 AM
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Joined: 6/27/2008
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The only time people complain about the returns from insurance policies is when they think of them as investments. For that reason, allow me to re-post what I wrote in June last year:

mukiha wrote:
Don't assess insurance on the basis of returns at maturity. Think about this, what return do you get after insuring your car for a year? Zero - thus you actually loose the whole premium!

Life insurance should be viewed in the same way. The monthly/yearly payments are PREMIUMS. They will never be paid back to you. The SUM-INSURED is the amount they will pay your beneficiary in case you die any time during the cover... even five minutes after making the first payment.

Just like car insurance, if you don't die before the expiry of the cover, you loose the whole premium! However, the insurance company decides to be generous to you and pays you the SUM-INSURED. This should not be compared to the premiums, after all, it is NOT an investment.

What you should do instead is decide how much premium you want to pay and then compare how much SUM-INSURED you can get from different insurance companies.

Conversely, decide how much SUM-INSURED you want, then compare how much it will cost (the PREMIUMS) at different insurance companies.

Isn't this the same thing we do when shopping for car insurance? We should treat life cove the same way

Once you have a clear understanding of insurance, it becomes easy to decide whether or not to take one.

I have an education cover for my kids, I took it to specifically take care of their education in case of my death.

But I also have a life cover... actually 2 covers - one attached to my medical cover and the other attached to the education policy.

So If I drop dead today, my family will get paid the sums insured under the life covers instantly; then upon maturity of the education cover, another amount will be paid to them for the education of the kids...timed to coincide with form 1.

In the meantime, I am busy investing....
Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
mukiha
#16 Posted : Wednesday, February 02, 2011 11:10:16 AM
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YesuWangu wrote:
CFC Life is quite hogwash.

Or at least the CFC Life agent I dealt with. I took out an educator policy through this agent. He was a friend and neighbour. One day, I sat down with an in-law, who also worked for CFC Life as an agent and she took me through that policy with a fine tooth comb. It was an open discussion and she told me things. Apparently, I had been duped and was not going to get value for my money.

When I tried contacting my agent to shed light on a few things he started becoming shifty. My take is that so long as he made his commissions, all was fair.

I canceled the policy after contributing for about 7 months. I would like my money back. Damn CFC Life!

No wonder CFC Stanbic wants them off their back!
Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
kiterunner
#17 Posted : Saturday, July 23, 2011 3:51:05 PM
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i can finally say i understand insurance products, thanks to wazua
our goals are best achieved indirectly
kanda
#18 Posted : Saturday, July 23, 2011 5:41:57 PM
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Posts: 68
mukiha wrote:
The only time people complain about the returns from insurance policies is when they think of them as investments. For that reason, allow me to re-post what I wrote in June last year:

mukiha wrote:
Don't assess insurance on the basis of returns at maturity. Think about this, what return do you get after insuring your car for a year? Zero - thus you actually loose the whole premium!

Life insurance should be viewed in the same way. The monthly/yearly payments are PREMIUMS. They will never be paid back to you. The SUM-INSURED is the amount they will pay your beneficiary in case you die any time during the cover... even five minutes after making the first payment.

Just like car insurance, if you don't die before the expiry of the cover, you loose the whole premium! However, the insurance company decides to be generous to you and pays you the SUM-INSURED. This should not be compared to the premiums, after all, it is NOT an investment.

What you should do instead is decide how much premium you want to pay and then compare how much SUM-INSURED you can get from different insurance companies.

Conversely, decide how much SUM-INSURED you want, then compare how much it will cost (the PREMIUMS) at different insurance companies.

Isn't this the same thing we do when shopping for car insurance? We should treat life cove the same way

Once you have a clear understanding of insurance, it becomes easy to decide whether or not to take one.

I have an education cover for my kids, I took it to specifically take care of their education in case of my death.

But I also have a life cover... actually 2 covers - one attached to my medical cover and the other attached to the education policy.

So If I drop dead today, my family will get paid the sums insured under the life covers instantly; then upon maturity of the education cover, another amount will be paid to them for the education of the kids...timed to coincide with form 1.

In the meantime, I am busy investing....


you sure you can get sum assured from two policies for the same event??
Inuendo
#19 Posted : Saturday, July 23, 2011 7:35:49 PM
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I consider myself very lucky to have read these threads at this time heheheh was just about to commit to an education policy...smile smile
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jerry
#20 Posted : Saturday, July 23, 2011 8:38:10 PM
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@kanda. Life is invaluable. In general insurance it's not possible to benefit more than once for a particular accident/misfortune. In life insurance there's no limit to how many policies you can have and you'll benefit from all of them in case anything happens.
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