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quicksand
#1941 Posted : Monday, December 09, 2013 10:25:17 AM
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xyzee wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
Kihara joni wrote:
mukiha wrote:
McReggae wrote:

What's funny with it?

Arent muslim women supposed to cover their hair, funny because this is in a muslim country

Well, let me try to answer question as regards Amina Mohammmed, she is misguided. If you asked a Muslim woman who knows her religion, who has a relationship with her Creator, who is stable in her society, who has understanding of her responsibility, she will tell you that for Muslim women, wearing hijab is a good thing to do. It is mentioned in the Quran.

"Tell the believing men to lower their gaze and guard their private parts: that is purer for them. Surely God is aware of everything they do." (Quran 24:30)
"And tell the believing women that they should lower their gaze, guard their private parts, and not display their beauty except for what normally shows; and to draw their veils over their bosoms." (Quran 24:31)

Hijab is mandatory and it is part of the Islamic tradition of dress and modesty.

WHat she's doing is wrong because God tells her something to do, and she disobeys and takes that as OK. The same book that tells her to pray and be good Muslim, tells her to cover too. But God is forgiving to those who repent and do not repeat their mistakes. She needs to repent and start following the teachings of Islam. Because wearing hijab does nor prevent someone form being good citizen.

But I guess she doe not like the hijab because she thinks it limits her 'freedom'. Some women like these have wrong definition of freedom.
They think freedom is in doing whatever they like to do. No. Freedom is in doing the right thing, not in doing whatever we wish to do.

I think she does like this to break away from Islamic teachings, to be able to get the kinds of jobs she is getting. So that she can mix easily with men, so that she can be appointed to kind of work that exposes women.
I think she is being used as a commodity.


Black Buibui in a hot sunny day! While men are walking around in their vests wacha ikae.


Yeap. That is the cornerstone of a secular society ...being free to "reject religion" or cherry-pick tenets and follow it as one sees fit smile
Many (most) religions are patriarchal and demand subservience from women to men
of some sort.
I don't know why muslim women not covering their hair should bother some people so. After all, what one does with himself or herself and his/her body and soul is between them and their God. Some men have appointed themselves as judge, jury and executor over 'perceived' women religious infractions. Statistically, this is prevalent in state-religion Muslim countries. Judaism and Christianity also have rules about modest conduct and dress for women, but it is mostly Muslim male adherents who go whipping women for inappropriate dress and execute honour killings for things like making out with boys/men etc etc.
There is a siege mentality that thrives and is prevalent in men when religion defines the laws used to govern a country. Fellows unable to deal with women on equal terms use religion to take choice from women, and intrude what should be inviolate personal freedoms by acting out state-sanctioned violence.
The only reason this doesn't happen here is because guys would be prosecuted and jailed.
Check this:
http://all-that-is-inter...g.com/1960s-afghanistan
For social thinkers and historians to reflect.
AlphDoti
#1942 Posted : Monday, December 09, 2013 2:36:42 PM
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Joined: 6/20/2008
Posts: 6,275
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quicksand wrote:
xyzee wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
Kihara joni wrote:
mukiha wrote:
McReggae wrote:

What's funny with it?

Arent muslim women supposed to cover their hair, funny because this is in a muslim country

Well, let me try to answer question as regards Amina Mohammmed, she is misguided. If you asked a Muslim woman who knows her religion, who has a relationship with her Creator, who is stable in her society, who has understanding of her responsibility, she will tell you that for Muslim women, wearing hijab is a good thing to do. It is mentioned in the Quran.

"Tell the believing men to lower their gaze and guard their private parts: that is purer for them. Surely God is aware of everything they do." (Quran 24:30)
"And tell the believing women that they should lower their gaze, guard their private parts, and not display their beauty except for what normally shows; and to draw their veils over their bosoms." (Quran 24:31)

Hijab is mandatory and it is part of the Islamic tradition of dress and modesty.

WHat she's doing is wrong because God tells her something to do, and she disobeys and takes that as OK. The same book that tells her to pray and be good Muslim, tells her to cover too. But God is forgiving to those who repent and do not repeat their mistakes. She needs to repent and start following the teachings of Islam. Because wearing hijab does nor prevent someone form being good citizen.

But I guess she doe not like the hijab because she thinks it limits her 'freedom'. Some women like these have wrong definition of freedom.
They think freedom is in doing whatever they like to do. No. Freedom is in doing the right thing, not in doing whatever we wish to do.

I think she does like this to break away from Islamic teachings, to be able to get the kinds of jobs she is getting. So that she can mix easily with men, so that she can be appointed to kind of work that exposes women.
I think she is being used as a commodity.


Black Buibui in a hot sunny day! While men are walking around in their vests wacha ikae.


Yeap. That is the cornerstone of a secular society ...being free to "reject religion" or cherry-pick tenets and follow it as one sees fit smile
Many (most) religions are patriarchal and demand subservience from women to men
of some sort.
I don't know why muslim women not covering their hair should bother some people so. After all, what one does with himself or herself and his/her body and soul is between them and their God. Some men have appointed themselves as judge, jury and executor over 'perceived' women religious infractions. Statistically, this is prevalent in state-religion Muslim countries. Judaism and Christianity also have rules about modest conduct and dress for women, but it is mostly Muslim male adherents who go whipping women for inappropriate dress and execute honour killings for things like making out with boys/men etc etc.
There is a siege mentality that thrives and is prevalent in men when religion defines the laws used to govern a country. Fellows unable to deal with women on equal terms use religion to take choice from women, and intrude what should be inviolate personal freedoms by acting out state-sanctioned violence.
The only reason this doesn't happen here is because guys would be prosecuted and jailed.
Check this:
http://all-that-is-inter...g.com/1960s-afghanistan
For social thinkers and historians to reflect.

As regards your link, I didn't see anything to reflect about. It's just an album of photos taken by a foreigner who had visited Afghanistan. On the contrary, I see Afghan women dressed decently in haja, with head cover. And I see the family of the photographer just as normal, with short skirts and no one is bothering them.
This is remarkable. No one is asking none-Musim to wear hijab.

As regards the status of women in Islam, it is often the target of attacks in the secular world. The Islamic dress is quoted by many people, saying this suppression of women under Islamic law.

Please do not misunderstand. Islam prescribes hijab to maintain the modesty of women.

You are saying that "Fellows unable to deal with women on equal terms use religion to take choice from women, and intrude what should be inviolate personal freedoms.."

First, women covering their bodies is not oppression.
You see their fathers didn't tell them to do that. Their brothers didn't tell them to do that. Their sons didn't tell them to do that. It is religious obligation.
Women, draw clothing accross their bossoms and do not allow their natural ornaments to be showed except to close family. What are natural ornaments of women, incase you do not know what they are? Their breasts, their shapes that happen to be different from that of men, should be covered.

Secondly, in fact Islam is the first religion which gave rights to the women.
I'm not saying which religin is better, what I'm saying is about rights to women. No other religion has done this. The prophet Muhammad, was the one who uplifted the women.

Before i analyze the reason why religion mandated 'hijab', allow me to first show you how women were treated in the previous societies before Islam.

Please remember in the past, women were degraded and used as objects of lust
The following examples from history amply illustrate the fact that the status of
women in earlier civilizations was very low to the extent that they were denied basic human dignity:

1. For example, in the history of Babylonian Civilization: If a man murdered a woman, instead of the man being punished, the wife of the mane was put to death.
2. If you read the history of Greek Civilization: The Greek they called the woman as the 'Pandora', to mean 'imaginary woman' as a sign of misfortune.
So the women were used as sexual pleasure.
3. If you read the history of Roman Civilization: there were a lot of nudity and a lot of promiscuity amongst the women. The women were iltreated.
4. In the Egyptian civilization: the women were considered as the sign of the devil.
5. In the Arab civilization, before the Quran was revealed:
The moment female child used to be born, very often, she was put to death.
Alhamdulillah, after the Quran was revealed this evil practice stopped in the Arabian.

Islam as I said is the first religion which uplifted women, and the prophet Muhammad was the major benefactor. After Islam has given equal rights to the woman, Islam says it is the duty of the woman to maintain the level of modesty. It uplifted the women, now it is their duty to maintain their status.

And people really talk about the veil , about hijab in Islam, and they always talk about the hijab of women. But God in Quran first speaks about the hijab for man and then of the woman. If you read the Quran in Surah Noor chapter 24:30:
"Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty: that will make for greater purity for them: and Allah is well acquainted with all that they do."

It means, whenever a man looks at a woman and if any unashamed thought comes to his mind, he should lower his gaze.

The next verse in the Quran Surah Noor chapter 24:31 speaks about hijab for women, says:
"And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husbands’ fathers, their sons..."

It means that in front of the people she cannot marry she does not have to wear hijab, otherwise for all other people, she should maintain the hijab.

And there is criteria for hijab, given in the Quran as well as aithentic (Sahih) hadith/Sunnah
1. First, extent between the man and the woman, of the body that should be covered.
For the man it is from the navel to the knees. For women the complete body except the face and the hands upto the wrist should be covered.
Some scholars say even the face and the hands should be covered, but the minimum is complete body apart from hands and face.
2. Secondly, for both man and woman is that the clothes should not be so tight to reveal the figure.
3. Thirdly, for both man and woman is that it should not be transparent such that one can see through
4. Fourthly, for both man and woman is that it should not be so glamorous as to attract the opposite sex.
5. Fift, for both man and woman is that it should not resemble that of the opposite sex. You know in the Western countries, men wearing one hearing, there were certain indications.
6. Sixth, for both man and woman is that it should not resemble that of the unbelievers i.e. we should not wear clothes which are sign or identity of some groups who are unbelivers

Now th ereason for hijab for the women has been discussed in the Quran Surah Al-Ahzab chapter 33:59:
"O Prophet! Tell thy wives and daughters, and the believing women
that they should cast their outer garments over their persons (when abroad);
so that they should be recognized and it will prevent them from being molested.
"

I want to ask you a question that supposed that there are two twin sisters
and they are equally beautiful. And they are walking down the street. One of them weraing Islamic hijab, complete body covered, except the face and the hands.
The other sister is wearing western clothes, a mini skirt or shorts.
And just around the corner there is a hooligan or ruffian who is waiting for a catch, to tease a girl. I'm asking a question, which girl will he tease?
Will he tease the girl wearing hijab or will he tease the girl wearing the mini skirt? Naturally he will tease the girl wearing the skirt or the mini.
Such dresses are an indirect invitation to the opposite sex for teasing and molestation. The Quran rightly says that hijab prevents women from being molested.

You know the Western world talk about women liberation.
THis liberaiton is nothing but a disguised form of exploitation of her body, of deprivation honour and degradation of the soul. The Western society claiming to uplift the woman has actually degraded her to the state of a concubine, of mistresses, or society buttefly of mere tools on the hands of sex pleasure seekers, which are hidden behind the colourful screens of art and culture.

So Islam has uplifted the woman, it their duty to maintain the status.
That is the reason that Islam prescribed hijab to maintain the modesty of women, not to degrade of subjudicate them.
Impunity
#1943 Posted : Monday, December 09, 2013 2:47:00 PM
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washiku wrote:
simonkabz wrote:


Applause Applause This was so real them dayssmile


Those who lived in the middle class westlands and Lavington missed a very important part of their lives!

Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause
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bkismat
#1944 Posted : Monday, December 09, 2013 3:11:48 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
quicksand wrote:
xyzee wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
Kihara joni wrote:
mukiha wrote:
McReggae wrote:

What's funny with it?

Arent muslim women supposed to cover their hair, funny because this is in a muslim country

Well, let me try to answer question as regards Amina Mohammmed, she is misguided. If you asked a Muslim woman who knows her religion, who has a relationship with her Creator, who is stable in her society, who has understanding of her responsibility, she will tell you that for Muslim women, wearing hijab is a good thing to do. It is mentioned in the Quran.

"Tell the believing men to lower their gaze and guard their private parts: that is purer for them. Surely God is aware of everything they do." (Quran 24:30)
"And tell the believing women that they should lower their gaze, guard their private parts, and not display their beauty except for what normally shows; and to draw their veils over their bosoms." (Quran 24:31)

Hijab is mandatory and it is part of the Islamic tradition of dress and modesty.

WHat she's doing is wrong because God tells her something to do, and she disobeys and takes that as OK. The same book that tells her to pray and be good Muslim, tells her to cover too. But God is forgiving to those who repent and do not repeat their mistakes. She needs to repent and start following the teachings of Islam. Because wearing hijab does nor prevent someone form being good citizen.

But I guess she doe not like the hijab because she thinks it limits her 'freedom'. Some women like these have wrong definition of freedom.
They think freedom is in doing whatever they like to do. No. Freedom is in doing the right thing, not in doing whatever we wish to do.

I think she does like this to break away from Islamic teachings, to be able to get the kinds of jobs she is getting. So that she can mix easily with men, so that she can be appointed to kind of work that exposes women.
I think she is being used as a commodity.


Black Buibui in a hot sunny day! While men are walking around in their vests wacha ikae.


Yeap. That is the cornerstone of a secular society ...being free to "reject religion" or cherry-pick tenets and follow it as one sees fit smile
Many (most) religions are patriarchal and demand subservience from women to men
of some sort.
I don't know why muslim women not covering their hair should bother some people so. After all, what one does with himself or herself and his/her body and soul is between them and their God. Some men have appointed themselves as judge, jury and executor over 'perceived' women religious infractions. Statistically, this is prevalent in state-religion Muslim countries. Judaism and Christianity also have rules about modest conduct and dress for women, but it is mostly Muslim male adherents who go whipping women for inappropriate dress and execute honour killings for things like making out with boys/men etc etc.
There is a siege mentality that thrives and is prevalent in men when religion defines the laws used to govern a country. Fellows unable to deal with women on equal terms use religion to take choice from women, and intrude what should be inviolate personal freedoms by acting out state-sanctioned violence.
The only reason this doesn't happen here is because guys would be prosecuted and jailed.
Check this:
http://all-that-is-inter...g.com/1960s-afghanistan
For social thinkers and historians to reflect.

As regards your link, I didn't see anything to reflect about. It's just an album of photos taken by a foreigner who had visited Afghanistan. On the contrary, I see Afghan women dressed decently in haja, with head cover. And I see the family of the photographer just as normal, with short skirts and no one is bothering them.
This is remarkable. No one is asking none-Musim to wear hijab.

As regards the status of women in Islam, it is often the target of attacks in the secular world. The Islamic dress is quoted by many people, saying this suppression of women under Islamic law.

Please do not misunderstand. Islam prescribes hijab to maintain the modesty of women.

You are saying that "Fellows unable to deal with women on equal terms use religion to take choice from women, and intrude what should be inviolate personal freedoms.."

First, women covering their bodies is not oppression.
You see their fathers didn't tell them to do that. Their brothers didn't tell them to do that. Their sons didn't tell them to do that. It is religious obligation.
Women, draw clothing accross their bossoms and do not allow their natural ornaments to be showed except to close family. What are natural ornaments of women, incase you do not know what they are? Their breasts, their shapes that happen to be different from that of men, should be covered.

Secondly, in fact Islam is the first religion which gave rights to the women.
I'm not saying which religin is better, what I'm saying is about rights to women. No other religion has done this. The prophet Muhammad, was the one who uplifted the women.

Before i analyze the reason why religion mandated 'hijab', allow me to first show you how women were treated in the previous societies before Islam.

Please remember in the past, women were degraded and used as objects of lust
The following examples from history amply illustrate the fact that the status of
women in earlier civilizations was very low to the extent that they were denied basic human dignity:

1. For example, in the history of Babylonian Civilization: If a man murdered a woman, instead of the man being punished, the wife of the mane was put to death.
2. If you read the history of Greek Civilization: The Greek they called the woman as the 'Pandora', to mean 'imaginary woman' as a sign of misfortune.
So the women were used as sexual pleasure.
3. If you read the history of Roman Civilization: there were a lot of nudity and a lot of promiscuity amongst the women. The women were iltreated.
4. In the Egyptian civilization: the women were considered as the sign of the devil.
5. In the Arab civilization, before the Quran was revealed:
The moment female child used to be born, very often, she was put to death.
Alhamdulillah, after the Quran was revealed this evil practice stopped in the Arabian.

Islam as I said is the first religion which uplifted women, and the prophet Muhammad was the major benefactor. After Islam has given equal rights to the woman, Islam says it is the duty of the woman to maintain the level of modesty. It uplifted the women, now it is their duty to maintain their status.

And people really talk about the veil , about hijab in Islam, and they always talk about the hijab of women. But God in Quran first speaks about the hijab for man and then of the woman. If you read the Quran in Surah Noor chapter 24:30:
"Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty: that will make for greater purity for them: and Allah is well acquainted with all that they do."

It means, whenever a man looks at a woman and if any unashamed thought comes to his mind, he should lower his gaze.

The next verse in the Quran Surah Noor chapter 24:31 speaks about hijab for women, says:
"And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husbands’ fathers, their sons..."

It means that in front of the people she cannot marry she does not have to wear hijab, otherwise for all other people, she should maintain the hijab.

And there is criteria for hijab, given in the Quran as well as aithentic (Sahih) hadith/Sunnah
1. First, extent between the man and the woman, of the body that should be covered.
For the man it is from the navel to the knees. For women the complete body except the face and the hands upto the wrist should be covered.
Some scholars say even the face and the hands should be covered, but the minimum is complete body apart from hands and face.
2. Secondly, for both man and woman is that the clothes should not be so tight to reveal the figure.
3. Thirdly, for both man and woman is that it should not be transparent such that one can see through
4. Fourthly, for both man and woman is that it should not be so glamorous as to attract the opposite sex.
5. Fift, for both man and woman is that it should not resemble that of the opposite sex. You know in the Western countries, men wearing one hearing, there were certain indications.
6. Sixth, for both man and woman is that it should not resemble that of the unbelievers i.e. we should not wear clothes which are sign or identity of some groups who are unbelivers

Now th ereason for hijab for the women has been discussed in the Quran Surah Al-Ahzab chapter 33:59:
"O Prophet! Tell thy wives and daughters, and the believing women
that they should cast their outer garments over their persons (when abroad);
so that they should be recognized and it will prevent them from being molested.
"

I want to ask you a question that supposed that there are two twin sisters
and they are equally beautiful. And they are walking down the street. One of them weraing Islamic hijab, complete body covered, except the face and the hands.
The other sister is wearing western clothes, a mini skirt or shorts.
And just around the corner there is a hooligan or ruffian who is waiting for a catch, to tease a girl. I'm asking a question, which girl will he tease?
Will he tease the girl wearing hijab or will he tease the girl wearing the mini skirt? Naturally he will tease the girl wearing the skirt or the mini.
Such dresses are an indirect invitation to the opposite sex for teasing and molestation. The Quran rightly says that hijab prevents women from being molested.

You know the Western world talk about women liberation.
THis liberaiton is nothing but a disguised form of exploitation of her body, of deprivation honour and degradation of the soul. The Western society claiming to uplift the woman has actually degraded her to the state of a concubine, of mistresses, or society buttefly of mere tools on the hands of sex pleasure seekers, which are hidden behind the colourful screens of art and culture.

So Islam has uplifted the woman, it their duty to maintain the status.
That is the reason that Islam prescribed hijab to maintain the modesty of women, not to degrade of subjudicate them.

I thought this thread was about pictures not writing long articles on religion.
It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt...
-Mark Twain
Impunity
#1945 Posted : Monday, December 09, 2013 3:23:26 PM
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4lourBliss wrote:


d'oh! d'oh! d'oh! d'oh!


Although this is photoshop any other blonde could have said the same.

Kwanja there is one crew I met on board some Emirates who told me they fly to LA and not California...she is 32 and has flown to LA uncountable times...I have since dissociated myself from the urges of landing her!
Sad Sad Sad
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nakujua
#1946 Posted : Monday, December 09, 2013 4:03:14 PM
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bkismat wrote:

I thought this thread was about pictures not writing long articles on religion.

thought so to, the fun is killed by the mammoth descriptions.
washiku
#1947 Posted : Monday, December 09, 2013 5:26:26 PM
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Impunity
#1948 Posted : Monday, December 09, 2013 5:46:13 PM
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washiku wrote:


These are all Ruoz...

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Impunity
#1949 Posted : Monday, December 09, 2013 5:49:39 PM
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nakujua wrote:
bkismat wrote:

I thought this thread was about pictures not writing long articles on religion.

thought so to, the fun is killed by the mammoth descriptions.


Alpha and Mukorimo jamaz!

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Gathige
#1950 Posted : Monday, December 09, 2013 5:57:45 PM
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Impunity wrote:
nakujua wrote:
bkismat wrote:

I thought this thread was about pictures not writing long articles on religion.

thought so to, the fun is killed by the mammoth descriptions.


Alpha and Mukorimo jamaz!

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly


@Impunity, You never ask @Alpha directions when lost. Anakupoteza zaidi.
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