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obiero wrote:xxxxx wrote:deadpoet wrote:xxxxx wrote:deadpoet wrote:Just out of curiosity, how many of you are actual ARM shareholders? Why? What difference does that make?? Ermmm, out of curiosity? Someone please remind @ARMCEMENT to report their 2017 financial results. The suspense is killing me. I can't wait to see what investors are all running away from. Lower lows in next few hours.. KES 2.45 We're resigned to lower lows each day til kingdom come. But what we need are the financial results published. The lows at that point are the ones that may freak us out.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/1/2014 Posts: 903 Location: sky
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xxxxx wrote:obiero wrote:xxxxx wrote:deadpoet wrote:xxxxx wrote:deadpoet wrote:Just out of curiosity, how many of you are actual ARM shareholders? Why? What difference does that make?? Ermmm, out of curiosity? Someone please remind @ARMCEMENT to report their 2017 financial results. The suspense is killing me. I can't wait to see what investors are all running away from. Lower lows in next few hours.. KES 2.45 We're resigned to lower lows each day til kingdom come. But what we need are the financial results published. The lows at that point are the ones that may freak us out. xxxx dont worry im also in with average of 6.47 and buying 2000 shares every day (after every dip). also remember their is a new method of shafting wanjiku at nse. pull the price down as much as possible and then place an offer at a price of your choice mostly likely a big discount to nav and since investors are desperate they just accept. at the end of this wait for a very crazy offer from buyers, here we are likely to end up in that thread of "the worst mistake we have ever made.. There are only two emotions in the stock market, fear and hope. The problem is, you hope when you should fear and fear when you should hope
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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VituVingiSana wrote:Ericsson wrote:sparkly wrote:xxxxx wrote:sparkly wrote:obiero wrote:sparkly wrote:mlennyma wrote:Spikes wrote:ARM just like KQ is dying gracefully . KQ can't die because it Will be under government's live support machines upto the bitter end but ARM is another nakumatt Even ARM is under UK government support. You believe UK taxpayers will come to its rescue?? A restructuring plus an Open Offer perhaps? I don't believe anything. Just stating an obvious fact. It is neither obvious nor fact at all. If it were ARM would not be tanking that much...intact you yourself would be buying lots of it Or Are you buying lots of it?? CDC pumped KShs 14B into ARM to get 42% shareholding. CDC is a UK gov fund. Therefore ARM is under UK gov support. Of what strategic interest is ARM to UK government. The sh.14bn has been flushed just like that. Curiously, of late, we have been agreeing with each other! UK gov't has no strategic interest in ARM unlike GoK has in KQ. ARM can die and the UK gov't doesn't care too much. KQ has benefits to Kenya including tourism, exports, "national" pride, etc. I do want ARM to survive, as long as it's not using taxpayer funds, and get back on track. We need competition to keep cement manufacturers honest. Let me tell you what will happen with ARM, for free. ARM urgently needs working capital. This will be provided or guaranteed as loans by CDC. In the longer term ARM will need to strengthen its Balance Sheet. CDC will not be comfortable taking a controlling stake so a pro-rata cash call is likely or new share offer to a strategic investor is likely. Either way dilution looms. Lastly it is unusual for a stock to hit the 10% daily limit towards ground zero without a breather. Who is selling so desparately? I suspect employees are dumping their ESOP shares. Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,702 Location: NAIROBI
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sparkly wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Ericsson wrote:sparkly wrote:xxxxx wrote:sparkly wrote:obiero wrote:sparkly wrote:mlennyma wrote:Spikes wrote:ARM just like KQ is dying gracefully . KQ can't die because it Will be under government's live support machines upto the bitter end but ARM is another nakumatt Even ARM is under UK government support. You believe UK taxpayers will come to its rescue?? A restructuring plus an Open Offer perhaps? I don't believe anything. Just stating an obvious fact. It is neither obvious nor fact at all. If it were ARM would not be tanking that much...intact you yourself would be buying lots of it Or Are you buying lots of it?? CDC pumped KShs 14B into ARM to get 42% shareholding. CDC is a UK gov fund. Therefore ARM is under UK gov support. Of what strategic interest is ARM to UK government. The sh.14bn has been flushed just like that. Curiously, of late, we have been agreeing with each other! UK gov't has no strategic interest in ARM unlike GoK has in KQ. ARM can die and the UK gov't doesn't care too much. KQ has benefits to Kenya including tourism, exports, "national" pride, etc. I do want ARM to survive, as long as it's not using taxpayer funds, and get back on track. We need competition to keep cement manufacturers honest. Let me tell you what will happen with ARM, for free. ARM urgently needs working capital. This will be provided or guaranteed as loans by CDC. In the longer term ARM will need to strengthen its Balance Sheet. CDC will not be comfortable taking a controlling stake so a pro-rata cash call is likely or new share offer to a strategic investor is likely. Either way dilution looms. Lastly it is unusual for a stock to hit the 10% daily limit towards ground zero without a breather. Who is selling so desparately? I suspect employees are dumping their ESOP shares. ARM doesn't need working capital. What ARM needs is buyers for it's products. Giving it working capital without sorting out market for it's products is throwing good money at a bad investment Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/20/2008 Posts: 503
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sparkly wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Ericsson wrote:sparkly wrote:xxxxx wrote:sparkly wrote:obiero wrote:sparkly wrote:mlennyma wrote:Spikes wrote:ARM just like KQ is dying gracefully . KQ can't die because it Will be under government's live support machines upto the bitter end but ARM is another nakumatt Even ARM is under UK government support. You believe UK taxpayers will come to its rescue?? A restructuring plus an Open Offer perhaps? I don't believe anything. Just stating an obvious fact. It is neither obvious nor fact at all. If it were ARM would not be tanking that much...intact you yourself would be buying lots of it Or Are you buying lots of it?? CDC pumped KShs 14B into ARM to get 42% shareholding. CDC is a UK gov fund. Therefore ARM is under UK gov support. Of what strategic interest is ARM to UK government. The sh.14bn has been flushed just like that. Curiously, of late, we have been agreeing with each other! UK gov't has no strategic interest in ARM unlike GoK has in KQ. ARM can die and the UK gov't doesn't care too much. KQ has benefits to Kenya including tourism, exports, "national" pride, etc. I do want ARM to survive, as long as it's not using taxpayer funds, and get back on track. We need competition to keep cement manufacturers honest. Let me tell you what will happen with ARM, for free. ARM urgently needs working capital. This will be provided or guaranteed as loans by CDC. In the longer term ARM will need to strengthen its Balance Sheet. CDC will not be comfortable taking a controlling stake so a pro-rata cash call is likely or new share offer to a strategic investor is likely. Either way dilution looms. Lastly it is unusual for a stock to hit the 10% daily limit towards ground zero without a breather. Who is selling so desparately? I suspect employees are dumping their ESOP shares. Dilution is the name of the game. I suppose sometimes it works out fine..Look at Total - worked out very well. What I refuse to believe is that @ARM is dead which is the what all naysayers keep saying
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,120 Location: Nairobi
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Ericsson wrote:sparkly wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Ericsson wrote:sparkly wrote:xxxxx wrote:sparkly wrote:obiero wrote:sparkly wrote:mlennyma wrote:Spikes wrote:ARM just like KQ is dying gracefully . KQ can't die because it Will be under government's live support machines upto the bitter end but ARM is another nakumatt Even ARM is under UK government support. You believe UK taxpayers will come to its rescue?? A restructuring plus an Open Offer perhaps? I don't believe anything. Just stating an obvious fact. It is neither obvious nor fact at all. If it were ARM would not be tanking that much...intact you yourself would be buying lots of it Or Are you buying lots of it?? CDC pumped KShs 14B into ARM to get 42% shareholding. CDC is a UK gov fund. Therefore ARM is under UK gov support. Of what strategic interest is ARM to UK government. The sh.14bn has been flushed just like that. Curiously, of late, we have been agreeing with each other! UK gov't has no strategic interest in ARM unlike GoK has in KQ. ARM can die and the UK gov't doesn't care too much. KQ has benefits to Kenya including tourism, exports, "national" pride, etc. I do want ARM to survive, as long as it's not using taxpayer funds, and get back on track. We need competition to keep cement manufacturers honest. Let me tell you what will happen with ARM, for free. ARM urgently needs working capital. This will be provided or guaranteed as loans by CDC. In the longer term ARM will need to strengthen its Balance Sheet. CDC will not be comfortable taking a controlling stake so a pro-rata cash call is likely or new share offer to a strategic investor is likely. Either way dilution looms. Lastly it is unusual for a stock to hit the 10% daily limit towards ground zero without a breather. Who is selling so desparately? I suspect employees are dumping their ESOP shares. ARM doesn't need working capital. What ARM needs is buyers for it's products. Giving it working capital without sorting out market for it's products is throwing good money at a bad investment Lack of working capital does (often) lead to a shortage of goods to sell. It's a vicious cycle. Employees bailing out is not good for the company. They will find other ways to make up for the shortfall in their perceived wealth. They will not remain loyal. I hope ARM survives this considering we have very few listed firms, this could scare other firms from listing and we need competition to keep prices low(er). Existing shareholders should expect to own a much smaller piece of ARM after another investor is found. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,120 Location: Nairobi
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littledove wrote:xxxxx wrote:obiero wrote:xxxxx wrote:deadpoet wrote:xxxxx wrote:deadpoet wrote:Just out of curiosity, how many of you are actual ARM shareholders? Why? What difference does that make?? Ermmm, out of curiosity? Someone please remind @ARMCEMENT to report their 2017 financial results. The suspense is killing me. I can't wait to see what investors are all running away from. Lower lows in next few hours.. KES 2.45 We're resigned to lower lows each day til kingdom come. But what we need are the financial results published. The lows at that point are the ones that may freak us out. xxxx dont worry im also in with average of 6.47 and buying 2000 shares every day (after every dip). also remember their is a new method of shafting wanjiku at nse. pull the price down as much as possible and then place an offer at a price of your choice mostly likely a big discount to nav and since investors are desperate they just accept. at the end of this wait for a very crazy offer from buyers, here we are likely to end up in that thread of "the worst mistake we have ever made.. Unga did quite well in 2015-16. It is not 100% analogous but Unga bought Ennsvalley from the Ndegwas at a crazy high price. Ennsvalley primary asset was debt owed by Nakumatt. Ndegwas also own Knight Frank which manages many malls in which Nakumatt was a tenant so they knew Nakumatt was in financial trouble. In 2016-17, Unga had to write off Ennvalley' assets & goodwill almost entirely. Plus the losses running Ennsvalley. And Unga sold its shares in the PROFITABLE Bullpak at only 7x earnings. With the switch to paper from plastic, this business is now running 24/7. Then in 2018, Seaboard+Victus wants to buy the Unga minority out at 40/share. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/28/2015 Posts: 1,247
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Ericsson wrote:sparkly wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Ericsson wrote:sparkly wrote:xxxxx wrote:sparkly wrote:obiero wrote:sparkly wrote:mlennyma wrote:Spikes wrote:ARM just like KQ is dying gracefully . KQ can't die because it Will be under government's live support machines upto the bitter end but ARM is another nakumatt Even ARM is under UK government support. You believe UK taxpayers will come to its rescue?? A restructuring plus an Open Offer perhaps? I don't believe anything. Just stating an obvious fact. It is neither obvious nor fact at all. If it were ARM would not be tanking that much...intact you yourself would be buying lots of it Or Are you buying lots of it?? CDC pumped KShs 14B into ARM to get 42% shareholding. CDC is a UK gov fund. Therefore ARM is under UK gov support. Of what strategic interest is ARM to UK government. The sh.14bn has been flushed just like that. Curiously, of late, we have been agreeing with each other! UK gov't has no strategic interest in ARM unlike GoK has in KQ. ARM can die and the UK gov't doesn't care too much. KQ has benefits to Kenya including tourism, exports, "national" pride, etc. I do want ARM to survive, as long as it's not using taxpayer funds, and get back on track. We need competition to keep cement manufacturers honest. Let me tell you what will happen with ARM, for free. ARM urgently needs working capital. This will be provided or guaranteed as loans by CDC. In the longer term ARM will need to strengthen its Balance Sheet. CDC will not be comfortable taking a controlling stake so a pro-rata cash call is likely or new share offer to a strategic investor is likely. Either way dilution looms. Lastly it is unusual for a stock to hit the 10% daily limit towards ground zero without a breather. Who is selling so desparately? I suspect employees are dumping their ESOP shares. ARM doesn't need working capital. What ARM needs is buyers for it's products. Giving it working capital without sorting out market for it's products is throwing good money at a bad investment Tthis knee jerk reaction with shares will leave some people holding brukenges. Juzi 2.70 was NO GO, now somebody what's its all in. Nah.. ,Behold, a sower went forth to sow;....
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,702 Location: NAIROBI
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VituVingiSana wrote:Ericsson wrote:sparkly wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:Ericsson wrote:sparkly wrote:xxxxx wrote:sparkly wrote:obiero wrote:sparkly wrote:mlennyma wrote:Spikes wrote:ARM just like KQ is dying gracefully . KQ can't die because it Will be under government's live support machines upto the bitter end but ARM is another nakumatt Even ARM is under UK government support. You believe UK taxpayers will come to its rescue?? A restructuring plus an Open Offer perhaps? I don't believe anything. Just stating an obvious fact. It is neither obvious nor fact at all. If it were ARM would not be tanking that much...intact you yourself would be buying lots of it Or Are you buying lots of it?? CDC pumped KShs 14B into ARM to get 42% shareholding. CDC is a UK gov fund. Therefore ARM is under UK gov support. Of what strategic interest is ARM to UK government. The sh.14bn has been flushed just like that. Curiously, of late, we have been agreeing with each other! UK gov't has no strategic interest in ARM unlike GoK has in KQ. ARM can die and the UK gov't doesn't care too much. KQ has benefits to Kenya including tourism, exports, "national" pride, etc. I do want ARM to survive, as long as it's not using taxpayer funds, and get back on track. We need competition to keep cement manufacturers honest. Let me tell you what will happen with ARM, for free. ARM urgently needs working capital. This will be provided or guaranteed as loans by CDC. In the longer term ARM will need to strengthen its Balance Sheet. CDC will not be comfortable taking a controlling stake so a pro-rata cash call is likely or new share offer to a strategic investor is likely. Either way dilution looms. Lastly it is unusual for a stock to hit the 10% daily limit towards ground zero without a breather. Who is selling so desparately? I suspect employees are dumping their ESOP shares. ARM doesn't need working capital. What ARM needs is buyers for it's products. Giving it working capital without sorting out market for it's products is throwing good money at a bad investment Lack of working capital does (often) lead to a shortage of goods to sell. It's a vicious cycle. Employees bailing out is not good for the company. They will find other ways to make up for the shortfall in their perceived wealth. They will not remain loyal. I hope ARM survives this considering we have very few listed firms, this could scare other firms from listing and we need competition to keep prices low(er). Existing shareholders should expect to own a much smaller piece of ARM after another investor is found. @vvs There is enough competition to keep prices lower. ARM cement wasn't the cheapest in the market. We still have the following cement manufaturers even if ARM dies; Lafarge Bamburi Mombasa cement Savanna East Africa portland Simba Cement ARM dying won't scare other investors from listing in the NSE. What is needed is good management and visionary leadership in kenyan companies Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/20/2011 Posts: 1,820 Location: Nakuru
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I have bought 100000 shares at 2.70 bob. Bookmark this for future reference and for the sake of future learning.@xxxxx i will offload these @kshs 36. Dumb money becomes dumb only when it listens to smart money
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/28/2015 Posts: 1,247
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Fyatu wrote:I have bought 100000 shares at 2.70 bob. Bookmark this for future reference and for the sake of future learning.@xxxxx i will offload these @kshs 36. What about that person who sold to you. Shouldn't they too bookmark this to remind themselves, it's better a half a loaf than none. @Fyatu, are you going inside as a firtile egg ready to bring forth a new calf and bring the heifers to milk or you are going inside hoping to be bought together with the heifer. There is no moot to warrant this one not touching 1.xy/=. U have just done a premature enjacs, if I may be asked to say. ,Behold, a sower went forth to sow;....
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,908
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muandiwambeu wrote:Fyatu wrote:I have bought 100000 shares at 2.70 bob. Bookmark this for future reference and for the sake of future learning.@xxxxx i will offload these @kshs 36. What about that person who sold to you. Shouldn't they too bookmark this to remind themselves, it's better a half a loaf than none. @Fyatu, are you going inside as a firtile egg ready to bring forth a new calf and bring the heifers to milk or you are going inside hoping to be bought together with the heifer. There is no moot to warrant this one not touching 1.xy/=. U have just done a premature enjacs, if I may be asked to say. Already down to 2.55 bob In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/21/2010 Posts: 6,183 Location: nairobi
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Fyatu wrote:I have bought 100000 shares at 2.70 bob. Bookmark this for future reference and for the sake of future learning.@xxxxx i will offload these @kshs 36. before the day ends you might be about 20k+ commission nose bleeding "Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/20/2011 Posts: 1,820 Location: Nakuru
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muandiwambeu wrote:Fyatu wrote:I have bought 100000 shares at 2.70 bob. Bookmark this for future reference and for the sake of future learning.@xxxxx i will offload these @kshs 36. What about that person who sold to you. Shouldn't they too bookmark this to remind themselves, it's better a half a loaf than none. @Fyatu, are you going inside as a firtile egg ready to bring forth a new calf and bring the heifers to milk or you are going inside hoping to be bought together with the heifer. There is no moot to warrant this one not touching 1.xy/=. U have just done a premature enjacs, if I may be asked to say. @Seedplanter/sower I have dived-in hoping to be bought together with the heifer... You see, there is no way the whole ARM is worth 1 billion.(That is the price they sold their fertiliser business to Paunrana). Your calculation of NAV in an earlier post yielded 3B. Time will tell if this my move is a "one-minute-man" kinda performance ....you know missy Elliot one minute man Dumb money becomes dumb only when it listens to smart money
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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Angelica _ann wrote:muandiwambeu wrote:Fyatu wrote:I have bought 100000 shares at 2.70 bob. Bookmark this for future reference and for the sake of future learning.@xxxxx i will offload these @kshs 36. What about that person who sold to you. Shouldn't they too bookmark this to remind themselves, it's better a half a loaf than none. @Fyatu, are you going inside as a firtile egg ready to bring forth a new calf and bring the heifers to milk or you are going inside hoping to be bought together with the heifer. There is no moot to warrant this one not touching 1.xy/=. U have just done a premature enjacs, if I may be asked to say. Already down to 2.55 bob Falling knife. Do not attempt to catch unless you are a juggler. Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/20/2008 Posts: 503
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sparkly wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:muandiwambeu wrote:Fyatu wrote:I have bought 100000 shares at 2.70 bob. Bookmark this for future reference and for the sake of future learning.@xxxxx i will offload these @kshs 36. What about that person who sold to you. Shouldn't they too bookmark this to remind themselves, it's better a half a loaf than none. @Fyatu, are you going inside as a firtile egg ready to bring forth a new calf and bring the heifers to milk or you are going inside hoping to be bought together with the heifer. There is no moot to warrant this one not touching 1.xy/=. U have just done a premature enjacs, if I may be asked to say. Already down to 2.55 bob Falling knife. Do not attempt to catch unless you are a juggler. This monkey is going to surprise the lucky few with ballz to dive in. Too much negativity going around with little justification.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/21/2010 Posts: 6,183 Location: nairobi
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xxxxx wrote:sparkly wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:muandiwambeu wrote:Fyatu wrote:I have bought 100000 shares at 2.70 bob. Bookmark this for future reference and for the sake of future learning.@xxxxx i will offload these @kshs 36. What about that person who sold to you. Shouldn't they too bookmark this to remind themselves, it's better a half a loaf than none. @Fyatu, are you going inside as a firtile egg ready to bring forth a new calf and bring the heifers to milk or you are going inside hoping to be bought together with the heifer. There is no moot to warrant this one not touching 1.xy/=. U have just done a premature enjacs, if I may be asked to say. Already down to 2.55 bob Falling knife. Do not attempt to catch unless you are a juggler. This monkey is going to surprise the lucky few with ballz to dive in. Too much negativity going around with little justification. I however still maintain there will be a rally "Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/20/2008 Posts: 503
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/28/2015 Posts: 1,247
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Fyatu wrote:muandiwambeu wrote:Fyatu wrote:I have bought 100000 shares at 2.70 bob. Bookmark this for future reference and for the sake of future learning.@xxxxx i will offload these @kshs 36. What about that person who sold to you. Shouldn't they too bookmark this to remind themselves, it's better a half a loaf than none. @Fyatu, are you going inside as a firtile egg ready to bring forth a new calf and bring the heifers to milk or you are going inside hoping to be bought together with the heifer. There is no moot to warrant this one not touching 1.xy/=. U have just done a premature enjacs, if I may be asked to say. @Seedplanter/sower I have dived-in hoping to be bought together with the heifer... You see, there is no way the whole ARM is worth 1 billion.(That is the price they sold their fertiliser business to Paunrana). Your calculation of NAV in an earlier post yielded 3B. Time will tell if this my move is a "one-minute-man" kinda performance ....you know missy Elliot one minute man The dance always gets jiggy and vigorous while climaxing. Coming is definite. Will it land on fertile grounds!!!!! Or wet sandy soils that will dry shortly there after. ,Behold, a sower went forth to sow;....
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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At 1434 Hours EAT the situation is as follows: Open - 2.70 Low - 2.55 High - 2.90 Close - TBD Demand - 1.4m Supply - 470k at 2.70 In my view a rebound is imminent. I have thus jumped in 10k Shares @2.70. and a further 10k @2.55. Life is short. Live passionately.
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