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Low End Housing: High Risk, High Return
Jon_Gray
#181 Posted : Sunday, October 01, 2017 6:14:49 PM
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Jon_Gray wrote:


I have a couple of questions on low cost/affordable housing.
This is not entirely low cost housing but what is the profit a developer is expecting from a project like this in Milimani Kitegela? Assuming the plot is 1M and the build is 4.5M the profit should be 2.0M (offered for sale at 6.5M). Is this what people are clearing?
And at this price range, how long are developers waiting to clear the houses?




Pictures won't post but I am thinking of a 3 bedroom bungalow with standard finishes and 1 bedroom ensuite that are listed on OLX between 6M and 8M.
obiero
#182 Posted : Sunday, October 01, 2017 7:20:41 PM
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Jon_Gray wrote:
Jon_Gray wrote:


I have a couple of questions on low cost/affordable housing.
This is not entirely low cost housing but what is the profit a developer is expecting from a project like this in Milimani Kitegela? Assuming the plot is 1M and the build is 4.5M the profit should be 2.0M (offered for sale at 6.5M). Is this what people are clearing?
And at this price range, how long are developers waiting to clear the houses?




Pictures won't post but I am thinking of a 3 bedroom bungalow with standard finishes and 1 bedroom ensuite that are listed on OLX between 6M and 8M.

In my thinking, low end housing is only profitable if adopted for rental purposes.. Selling may not earn one reasonable returns, since it's unlikely to get anyone who wants to buy anything less than a 2 bedroom house

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obiero
#183 Posted : Wednesday, December 06, 2017 6:28:34 PM
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GoK now takes the path of volumes http://www.businessdaily...17348-l9a2avz/index.html

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Fyatu
#184 Posted : Wednesday, December 06, 2017 8:32:30 PM
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[quote=obiero]GoK now takes the path of volumes http://www.businessdaily...7348-l9a2avz/index.html[/quote]


This is a project - if implemented to completion - stands to eradicate poverty in this Nation Kenya in the future.

You can read about how housing is correlated to poverty in a book titled: "Evicted - poverty and profit in the American city" reviewed by Bill Gates here:

LINK
Dumb money becomes dumb only when it listens to smart money
maka
#185 Posted : Wednesday, December 06, 2017 9:06:22 PM
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Fyatu wrote:
[quote=obiero]GoK now takes the path of volumes http://www.businessdaily...7348-l9a2avz/index.html[/quote]


This is a project - if implemented to completion - stands to eradicate poverty in this Nation Kenya in the future.

You can read about how housing is correlated to poverty in a book titled: "Evicted - poverty and profit in the American city" reviewed by Bill Gates here:

LINK


I agree @Fyatu.... Very very true.

http://www.businesstoday...yojana/story/263853.html
possunt quia posse videntur
obiero
#186 Posted : Thursday, December 07, 2017 7:11:29 AM
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maka wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
[quote=obiero]GoK now takes the path of volumes http://www.businessdaily...7348-l9a2avz/index.html[/quote]


This is a project - if implemented to completion - stands to eradicate poverty in this Nation Kenya in the future.

You can read about how housing is correlated to poverty in a book titled: "Evicted - poverty and profit in the American city" reviewed by Bill Gates here:

LINK


I agree @Fyatu.... Very very true.

http://www.businesstoday...ojana/story/263853.html

Possibility of funds embezzlement will be at an all time high, but if they manage even 50% of the forecast, Kenya will be a better place to live in


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kawi254
#187 Posted : Thursday, December 07, 2017 9:41:58 AM
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obiero wrote:
maka wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
[quote=obiero]GoK now takes the path of volumes http://www.businessdaily...7348-l9a2avz/index.html[/quote]


This is a project - if implemented to completion - stands to eradicate poverty in this Nation Kenya in the future.

You can read about how housing is correlated to poverty in a book titled: "Evicted - poverty and profit in the American city" reviewed by Bill Gates here:

LINK


I agree @Fyatu.... Very very true.

http://www.businesstoday...ojana/story/263853.html

Possibility of funds embezzlement will be at an all time high, but if they manage even 50% of the forecast, Kenya will be a better place to live in



"Out of this number, 800,000 affordable housing units will be delivered under public private partnerships (PPPS) while 200,000 will be social housing."

What the above means is that GoK plans to build only 200,000 slum upgrading houses in Kibera, Mathare and any house you build privately in Syokimau, Kitengela or built by Erdeman or Suraya GoK will claim it in it's 5 year achievement.
Gathige
#188 Posted : Thursday, December 07, 2017 10:07:35 AM
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kawi254 wrote:
obiero wrote:
maka wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
[quote=obiero]GoK now takes the path of volumes http://www.businessdaily...7348-l9a2avz/index.html[/quote]


This is a project - if implemented to completion - stands to eradicate poverty in this Nation Kenya in the future.

You can read about how housing is correlated to poverty in a book titled: "Evicted - poverty and profit in the American city" reviewed by Bill Gates here:

LINK


I agree @Fyatu.... Very very true.

http://www.businesstoday...ojana/story/263853.html

Possibility of funds embezzlement will be at an all time high, but if they manage even 50% of the forecast, Kenya will be a better place to live in



"Out of this number, 800,000 affordable housing units will be delivered under public private partnerships (PPPS) while 200,000 will be social housing."

What the above means is that GoK plans to build only 200,000 slum upgrading houses in Kibera, Mathare and any house you build privately in Syokimau, Kitengela or built by Erdeman or Suraya GoK will claim it in it's 5 year achievement.


@kawi, Very true. 200,000 housing for GOK is a drop in the ocean.

The housing problem can easily be addressed if both the central government and county governments addressed the infrastructural issues that hinder housing development. If new housing areas were opened up by providing infrastructure such as power, roads, water, sewer systems etc in designated areas, people would move in and even develop own structures. Kajiado and Machakos Counties alone cah house the whole of nbi but the infrastructure in non existent.

Houses done on PPPS will not be affordable to the majority. Those buying expensive houses can still afford to build on their own. The rest have no means to buy, but if facilitated, they can own houses too.
"Things that matter most must never be at the mercy of things that matter least." Goethe
obiero
#189 Posted : Thursday, December 07, 2017 5:49:30 PM
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Joined: 6/23/2009
Posts: 14,221
Location: nairobi
Gathige wrote:
kawi254 wrote:
obiero wrote:
maka wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
[quote=obiero]GoK now takes the path of volumes http://www.businessdaily...7348-l9a2avz/index.html[/quote]


This is a project - if implemented to completion - stands to eradicate poverty in this Nation Kenya in the future.

You can read about how housing is correlated to poverty in a book titled: "Evicted - poverty and profit in the American city" reviewed by Bill Gates here:

LINK


I agree @Fyatu.... Very very true.

http://www.businesstoday...ojana/story/263853.html

Possibility of funds embezzlement will be at an all time high, but if they manage even 50% of the forecast, Kenya will be a better place to live in



"Out of this number, 800,000 affordable housing units will be delivered under public private partnerships (PPPS) while 200,000 will be social housing."

What the above means is that GoK plans to build only 200,000 slum upgrading houses in Kibera, Mathare and any house you build privately in Syokimau, Kitengela or built by Erdeman or Suraya GoK will claim it in it's 5 year achievement.


@kawi, Very true. 200,000 housing for GOK is a drop in the ocean.

The housing problem can easily be addressed if both the central government and county governments addressed the infrastructural issues that hinder housing development. If new housing areas were opened up by providing infrastructure such as power, roads, water, sewer systems etc in designated areas, people would move in and even develop own structures. Kajiado and Machakos Counties alone cah house the whole of nbi but the infrastructure in non existent.

Houses done on PPPS will not be affordable to the majority. Those buying expensive houses can still afford to build on their own. The rest have no means to buy, but if facilitated, they can own houses too.

That is the sad reality.. Even most of the so called middle class cannot afford to build their own homes

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wukan
#190 Posted : Friday, December 08, 2017 1:09:45 PM
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Joined: 11/13/2015
Posts: 1,654
Gathige wrote:
kawi254 wrote:
obiero wrote:
maka wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
[quote=obiero]GoK now takes the path of volumes http://www.businessdaily...7348-l9a2avz/index.html[/quote]


This is a project - if implemented to completion - stands to eradicate poverty in this Nation Kenya in the future.

You can read about how housing is correlated to poverty in a book titled: "Evicted - poverty and profit in the American city" reviewed by Bill Gates here:

LINK


I agree @Fyatu.... Very very true.

http://www.businesstoday...ojana/story/263853.html

Possibility of funds embezzlement will be at an all time high, but if they manage even 50% of the forecast, Kenya will be a better place to live in



"Out of this number, 800,000 affordable housing units will be delivered under public private partnerships (PPPS) while 200,000 will be social housing."

What the above means is that GoK plans to build only 200,000 slum upgrading houses in Kibera, Mathare and any house you build privately in Syokimau, Kitengela or built by Erdeman or Suraya GoK will claim it in it's 5 year achievement.


@kawi, Very true. 200,000 housing for GOK is a drop in the ocean.

The housing problem can easily be addressed if both the central government and county governments addressed the infrastructural issues that hinder housing development. If new housing areas were opened up by providing infrastructure such as power, roads, water, sewer systems etc in designated areas, people would move in and even develop own structures. Kajiado and Machakos Counties alone cah house the whole of nbi but the infrastructure in non existent.

Houses done on PPPS will not be affordable to the majority. Those buying expensive houses can still afford to build on their own. The rest have no means to buy, but if facilitated, they can own houses too.


Good initiative but 200k housing units is stuff of Alice in wonderland. The biggest GoK affordable housing project delivered only 656 housing units at Ngara cost around 2.2b and took monkey years to complete.

The proposed pilot project at Mavoko for 8k units will retail around 2.7m-3.5m. How many low income people will afford that? It will eventually morph into Umoja like slum.

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