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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:1.The Hadith says Muslims will be killing Jews in the future.You can't deny that. Bukhari B.52,N.177 wrote wrote:Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah’s Apostle said, “The Hour {of the Last Judgment} will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. “O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him. 2.Quran 9:29 is the justification of jizya.You can't deny that. Quran 9:29 wrote:Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.
3.I have quoted you explain the jizya under Sharia law.You can't deny that. Link - http://www.wazua.co.ke/f...amp;m=572733#post572733
AlphDoti wrote:By the way, Sharia will not affect anybody who is not Muslim, who is a law abiding citizen. You'll only be required to pay tax, less than 2.5% or there about per year, can you imagine!!! The Muslims already pay 2.5% per year in what we call Zakat and this is a must. So if you compare 2.5% to 30% charged by Capitalist government, Islamic State is way far better. Jizya and the fighting extends beyond the context of war or self-defense.You can't deny the verse and it's interpretation while accepting jizya.Danganya toto jinga.Islam supports terrorism. I repeat: 1. In a war. I already said that. What is the problem. But it does not say kill women and children like your Bible say! 2. 9:29 jizya means tax. Why should I deny it? 3. Why do you have to explain. It is self explanatory. You should be asking for this kind of govts. This tax is much lower than the Zakat paid by the Muslims. So its payment gave non-Muslims equal citizenship rights with the Muslims besides exempting them from other responsibilities yet they practice their religion in peace. Payment of tax is a symbol of accepting to live under Islamic law; but they are free to practice their religion. This is the same as the taxes all Kenyans or Americans for example have to pay, whether Muslim or whatever. But people still practice their religion freely. You can repeat whatever you want and give your opinions,but the Hadiths,Quran and Sharia law have confirmed Islam supports terrorism. Your options are valid. Come back when you have facts. Cheers. In the meantime, go learn how to discipline your little ones " Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones." (Psalm 137:9) And if you insist disobeying God, " you will eat your babies" (Leviticus 26:27-30) And if your wife asks you why tell her God "permits no WOMAN to teach or have authority over men; she is TO KEEP SILENT." Timothy 2:11 I have provided facts unless you consider the Quran,Hadiths and Sharia law to be fiction. As you continue to attack and misrepresent the Bible,Jews and Christians,the fact is Islam supports terrorism and you are incapable of disproving that. @symbols, you say I have misinterpreted the Bible? Stop crying like a baby (borrowed from @guru). Alright, go ahead and explains to me this verse: " Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones." (Psalm 137:9) I give you the chance now, make me understand this verse, explain it to  
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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AlphDoti wrote:1. No, God does not command evil things like that. It is the writers of the Bible who put that, as Jeremiah 8:8 says " pen of scribes has made God's law into falsehood" 2. Yes, I quote the verses to counter your stupid arguments 3. Allah does not say kill children, women, donkeys, and save young girls for yourself. So those verses are man-made. No contradiction in Quran. But there are thousands in the Bible. Which Muslims are under attack by Christians? Are you confusing Jews for Christians? See what Jews think of you. Despite what the Jews think of me or Christians, it is neither Christian babies they bomb, nor Christian neighbourhoods they flatten. As it is said, actions speak louder than words. I am comfortable with that. As Jews decimate and ruin Muslims, 'Christians' from America and Europe have ensured muslim lands are in turmoil and more ruin from Libya to Syria and to Somalia. I am comfortable with that too. If the torah are corrupted, man made, why do you insist they are from God? In any case, if ever christians did it, was it in obedience to God or to man made laws? If you are correct, as you hope you are, then everything bad christians have done is not in obedience to their God but to their man made laws. In your haste to counter you trip yourself up and vindicate the Christan God. I am very comfortable with that as well. On the other hand, you just punch your keyboard safely within 4 walls then go home every evening doing nothing for Allah while your brothers are fighting with their lives?
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:1.The Hadith says Muslims will be killing Jews in the future.You can't deny that. Bukhari B.52,N.177 wrote wrote:Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah’s Apostle said, “The Hour {of the Last Judgment} will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. “O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him. 2.Quran 9:29 is the justification of jizya.You can't deny that. Quran 9:29 wrote:Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.
3.I have quoted you explain the jizya under Sharia law.You can't deny that. Link - http://www.wazua.co.ke/f...amp;m=572733#post572733
AlphDoti wrote:By the way, Sharia will not affect anybody who is not Muslim, who is a law abiding citizen. You'll only be required to pay tax, less than 2.5% or there about per year, can you imagine!!! The Muslims already pay 2.5% per year in what we call Zakat and this is a must. So if you compare 2.5% to 30% charged by Capitalist government, Islamic State is way far better. Jizya and the fighting extends beyond the context of war or self-defense.You can't deny the verse and it's interpretation while accepting jizya.Danganya toto jinga.Islam supports terrorism. I repeat: 1. In a war. I already said that. What is the problem. But it does not say kill women and children like your Bible say! 2. 9:29 jizya means tax. Why should I deny it? 3. Why do you have to explain. It is self explanatory. You should be asking for this kind of govts. This tax is much lower than the Zakat paid by the Muslims. So its payment gave non-Muslims equal citizenship rights with the Muslims besides exempting them from other responsibilities yet they practice their religion in peace. Payment of tax is a symbol of accepting to live under Islamic law; but they are free to practice their religion. This is the same as the taxes all Kenyans or Americans for example have to pay, whether Muslim or whatever. But people still practice their religion freely. You can repeat whatever you want and give your opinions,but the Hadiths,Quran and Sharia law have confirmed Islam supports terrorism. Your options are valid. Come back when you have facts. Cheers. In the meantime, go learn how to discipline your little ones " Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones." (Psalm 137:9) And if you insist disobeying God, " you will eat your babies" (Leviticus 26:27-30) And if your wife asks you why tell her God "permits no WOMAN to teach or have authority over men; she is TO KEEP SILENT." Timothy 2:11 And if she gets mad and refuses to cook something for dinner, follow Ezekiel's recipe, make bread made with human feaces (Ezekiel 4:12)  Like you insist, those are man-made laws. The Christian God 'never said those things'.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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Why do Muslims hate Jews so much today? For sure the events in 1948 have everything to do with it because before that Jews only found shelter in Muslim lands as they were being slaughtered by Christians! Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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guru267 wrote:Why do Muslims hate Jews so much today?
For sure the events in 1948 have everything to do with it because before that Jews only found shelter in Muslim lands as they were being slaughtered by Christians! The people of peace and submission hate others who don't reciprocate favor and esteem. Interesting!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/23/2008 Posts: 3,966
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Is Sharia Law in the Quran? Luck is when Preparation meets Opportunity. ~ Lucius Annaeus Seneca
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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ngapat wrote:Jesus used parables in his preaching. The sword He says he brought was a not a physical sword as being potrayed here. Otherwise someone show me who the sword was handed to and where it is purported to have been used inthe new testament.
But mohamed actually used swords in his invasions and raids How convenient! Words mean nothing to Christians, they don't believe anything the Bible says. All is for beautification and rhetoric. Luke 22:35 And Jesus said to them, "When I sent you out without money belt and bag and sandals, you did not lack anything, did you?" They said, "No, nothing." Luke 22:36 And He ( JESUS) said to them, "But now, whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and whoever has NO SWORD is to SELL his COAT (GARMENT) and BUY ONE."
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Jus Blazin wrote:Is Sharia Law in the Quran? The Quran is the sharia. Quote:Sharia law is Islam's legal system. It is derived from both the Quran (the word of God), the Sunnah (example of the life of the prophet Muhammad), and fatwas (the rulings of Islamic scholars).
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Muriel wrote:AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:1.The Hadith says Muslims will be killing Jews in the future.You can't deny that. Bukhari B.52,N.177 wrote wrote:Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah’s Apostle said, “The Hour {of the Last Judgment} will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. “O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him. 2.Quran 9:29 is the justification of jizya.You can't deny that. Quran 9:29 wrote:Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.
3.I have quoted you explain the jizya under Sharia law.You can't deny that. Link - http://www.wazua.co.ke/f...amp;m=572733#post572733
AlphDoti wrote:By the way, Sharia will not affect anybody who is not Muslim, who is a law abiding citizen. You'll only be required to pay tax, less than 2.5% or there about per year, can you imagine!!! The Muslims already pay 2.5% per year in what we call Zakat and this is a must. So if you compare 2.5% to 30% charged by Capitalist government, Islamic State is way far better. Jizya and the fighting extends beyond the context of war or self-defense.You can't deny the verse and it's interpretation while accepting jizya.Danganya toto jinga.Islam supports terrorism. I repeat: 1. In a war. I already said that. What is the problem. But it does not say kill women and children like your Bible say! 2. 9:29 jizya means tax. Why should I deny it? 3. Why do you have to explain. It is self explanatory. You should be asking for this kind of govts. This tax is much lower than the Zakat paid by the Muslims. So its payment gave non-Muslims equal citizenship rights with the Muslims besides exempting them from other responsibilities yet they practice their religion in peace. Payment of tax is a symbol of accepting to live under Islamic law; but they are free to practice their religion. This is the same as the taxes all Kenyans or Americans for example have to pay, whether Muslim or whatever. But people still practice their religion freely. You can repeat whatever you want and give your opinions,but the Hadiths,Quran and Sharia law have confirmed Islam supports terrorism. Your options are valid. Come back when you have facts. Cheers. In the meantime, go learn how to discipline your little ones " Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones." (Psalm 137:9) And if you insist disobeying God, " you will eat your babies" (Leviticus 26:27-30) And if your wife asks you why tell her God "permits no WOMAN to teach or have authority over men; she is TO KEEP SILENT." Timothy 2:11 And if she gets mad and refuses to cook something for dinner, follow Ezekiel's recipe, make bread made with human feaces (Ezekiel 4:12) Like you insist, those are man-made laws. The Christian God 'never said those things'. At last!!! You confess. So which other verses in the Bible are man-made? Jeremiah 8:8 Says bible has become falsehood: " How can you say 'we are wise, and the law of the Lord is with us'? But behold, the LYING PEN of the SCRIBES has made it into a LIE."
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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AlphDoti wrote:Muriel wrote:
The Christian God 'never said those things'.
At last!!! You confess. So which other verses in the Bible are man-made? Jeremiah 8:8 Says bible has become falsehood: " How can you say 'we are wise, and the law of the Lord is with us'? But behold, the LYING PEN of the SCRIBES has made it into a LIE." Whatever my confession, all the bad things you accuse Christians of doing from the bible were not really commanded by their God. They were following their man-made laws. Their God could not say things like that. Like I said, I am comfortable with that. Are you comfortable with that?
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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AlphDoti wrote:ngapat wrote:Jesus used parables in his preaching. The sword He says he brought was a not a physical sword as being potrayed here. Otherwise someone show me who the sword was handed to and where it is purported to have been used inthe new testament.
But mohamed actually used swords in his invasions and raids How convenient! Words mean nothing to Christians, they don't believe anything the Bible says. All is for beautification and rhetoric. Luke 22:35 And Jesus said to them, "When I sent you out without money belt and bag and sandals, you did not lack anything, did you?" They said, "No, nothing." Luke 22:36 And He ( JESUS) said to them, "But now, whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and whoever has NO SWORD is to SELL his COAT (GARMENT) and BUY ONE." You have just said those things were man made. What is your problem now if they do not believe and obey man made laws?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Muriel wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Muriel wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Your options are valid. Come back when you have facts. Cheers. In the meantime, go learn how to discipline your little ones "Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones." (Psalm 137:9) And if you insist disobeying God, "you will eat your babies" (Leviticus 26:27-30) And if your wife asks you why tell her God "permits no WOMAN to teach or have authority over men; she is TO KEEP SILENT." Timothy 2:11 And if she gets mad and refuses to cook something for dinner, follow Ezekiel's recipe, make bread made with human feaces (Ezekiel 4:12) Like you insist, those are man-made laws. The Christian God 'never said those things'. At last!!! You confess. So which other verses in the Bible are man-made? Jeremiah 8:8 Says bible has become falsehood: " How can you say 'we are wise, and the law of the Lord is with us'? But behold, the LYING PEN of the SCRIBES has made it into a LIE." Whatever my confession, all the bad things you accuse Christians of doing from the bible were not really commanded by their God. They were following their man-made laws. Their God could not say things like that. Like I said, I am comfortable with that. Are you comfortable with that? WHO said THOSE things? 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Muriel wrote:AlphDoti wrote:ngapat wrote:Jesus used parables in his preaching. The sword He says he brought was a not a physical sword as being potrayed here. Otherwise someone show me who the sword was handed to and where it is purported to have been used inthe new testament.
But mohamed actually used swords in his invasions and raids How convenient! Words mean nothing to Christians, they don't believe anything the Bible says. All is for beautification and rhetoric. Luke 22:35 And Jesus said to them, "When I sent you out without money belt and bag and sandals, you did not lack anything, did you?" They said, "No, nothing." Luke 22:36 And He ( JESUS) said to them, "But now, whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and whoever has NO SWORD is to SELL his COAT (GARMENT) and BUY ONE." You have just said those things were man made. What is your problem now if they do not believe and obey man made laws? Or what's the problem with believing and interacting with man made laws?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Muriel wrote:AlphDoti wrote:ngapat wrote:Jesus used parables in his preaching. The sword He says he brought was a not a physical sword as being potrayed here. Otherwise someone show me who the sword was handed to and where it is purported to have been used inthe new testament.
But mohamed actually used swords in his invasions and raids How convenient! Words mean nothing to Christians, they don't believe anything the Bible says. All is for beautification and rhetoric. Luke 22:35 And Jesus said to them, "When I sent you out without money belt and bag and sandals, you did not lack anything, did you?" They said, "No, nothing." Luke 22:36 And He ( JESUS) said to them, "But now, whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and whoever has NO SWORD is to SELL his COAT (GARMENT) and BUY ONE." You have just said those things were man made. What is your problem now if they do not believe and obey man made laws? As @guru told you before: Quote:the Christians better start believing in the Torah. Otherwise they should be straight and detest the Old Testament and even rebuke it the same way they do the Qur'an!
Otherwise leave the Qur'an and Islam alone.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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AlphDoti wrote:Muriel wrote:AlphDoti wrote:ngapat wrote:Jesus used parables in his preaching. The sword He says he brought was a not a physical sword as being potrayed here. Otherwise someone show me who the sword was handed to and where it is purported to have been used inthe new testament.
But mohamed actually used swords in his invasions and raids How convenient! Words mean nothing to Christians, they don't believe anything the Bible says. All is for beautification and rhetoric. Luke 22:35 And Jesus said to them, "When I sent you out without money belt and bag and sandals, you did not lack anything, did you?" They said, "No, nothing." Luke 22:36 And He ( JESUS) said to them, "But now, whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and whoever has NO SWORD is to SELL his COAT (GARMENT) and BUY ONE." You have just said those things were man made. What is your problem now if they do not believe and obey man made laws? As @guru told you before: Quote:the Christians better start believing in the Torah. Otherwise they should be straight and detest the Old Testament and even rebuke it the same way they do the Qur'an!
Otherwise leave the Qur'an and Islam alone. I don't care what Guru told me or anyone. I will not leave the koran and Islam alone.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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AlphDoti wrote:Muriel wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Muriel wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Your options are valid. Come back when you have facts. Cheers. In the meantime, go learn how to discipline your little ones "Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones." (Psalm 137:9) And if you insist disobeying God, "you will eat your babies" (Leviticus 26:27-30) And if your wife asks you why tell her God "permits no WOMAN to teach or have authority over men; she is TO KEEP SILENT." Timothy 2:11 And if she gets mad and refuses to cook something for dinner, follow Ezekiel's recipe, make bread made with human feaces (Ezekiel 4:12) Like you insist, those are man-made laws. The Christian God 'never said those things'. At last!!! You confess. So which other verses in the Bible are man-made? Jeremiah 8:8 Says bible has become falsehood: " How can you say 'we are wise, and the law of the Lord is with us'? But behold, the LYING PEN of the SCRIBES has made it into a LIE." Whatever my confession, all the bad things you accuse Christians of doing from the bible were not really commanded by their God. They were following their man-made laws. Their God could not say things like that. Like I said, I am comfortable with that. Are you comfortable with that? WHO said THOSE things? According to you, they were man made. Isn't it?
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:AlphDoti wrote:ngapat wrote:Jesus used parables in his preaching. The sword He says he brought was a not a physical sword as being potrayed here. Otherwise someone show me who the sword was handed to and where it is purported to have been used inthe new testament.
But mohamed actually used swords in his invasions and raids How convenient! Words mean nothing to Christians, they don't believe anything the Bible says. All is for beautification and rhetoric. Luke 22:35 And Jesus said to them, "When I sent you out without money belt and bag and sandals, you did not lack anything, did you?" They said, "No, nothing." Luke 22:36 And He ( JESUS) said to them, "But now, whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and whoever has NO SWORD is to SELL his COAT (GARMENT) and BUY ONE." You have just said those things were man made. What is your problem now if they do not believe and obey man made laws? Or what's the problem with believing and interacting with man made laws? Yes Something irks him about this bible. Might be true what Makali says. On one hand it is man made and so is lies and should be discarded in favour or koran. On the other hand it is divine and proves that the Christian diety is full of contradictions. He has multiple personality disorder.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Muriel wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Muriel wrote:AlphDoti wrote:ngapat wrote:Jesus used parables in his preaching. The sword He says he brought was a not a physical sword as being potrayed here. Otherwise someone show me who the sword was handed to and where it is purported to have been used inthe new testament.
But mohamed actually used swords in his invasions and raids How convenient! Words mean nothing to Christians, they don't believe anything the Bible says. All is for beautification and rhetoric. Luke 22:35 And Jesus said to them, "When I sent you out without money belt and bag and sandals, you did not lack anything, did you?" They said, "No, nothing." Luke 22:36 And He ( JESUS) said to them, "But now, whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and whoever has NO SWORD is to SELL his COAT (GARMENT) and BUY ONE." You have just said those things were man made. What is your problem now if they do not believe and obey man made laws? As @guru told you before: Quote:the Christians better start believing in the Torah. Otherwise they should be straight and detest the Old Testament and even rebuke it the same way they do the Qur'an!
Otherwise leave the Qur'an and Islam alone. I don't care what Guru told me or anyone. I will not leave the koran and Islam alone. Endelea...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Muriel wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Muriel wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Muriel wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Your options are valid. Come back when you have facts. Cheers. In the meantime, go learn how to discipline your little ones "Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones." (Psalm 137:9) And if you insist disobeying God, "you will eat your babies" (Leviticus 26:27-30) And if your wife asks you why tell her God "permits no WOMAN to teach or have authority over men; she is TO KEEP SILENT." Timothy 2:11 And if she gets mad and refuses to cook something for dinner, follow Ezekiel's recipe, make bread made with human feaces (Ezekiel 4:12) Like you insist, those are man-made laws. The Christian God 'never said those things'. At last!!! You confess. So which other verses in the Bible are man-made? Jeremiah 8:8 Says bible has become falsehood: " How can you say 'we are wise, and the law of the Lord is with us'? But behold, the LYING PEN of the SCRIBES has made it into a LIE." Whatever my confession, all the bad things you accuse Christians of doing from the bible were not really commanded by their God. They were following their man-made laws. Their God could not say things like that. Like I said, I am comfortable with that. Are you comfortable with that? WHO said THOSE things? According to you, they were man made. Isn't it? Anyway, since you cannot answer the question, I want to kindly remind you that if you're in any way missing your goods (your steel balls), you're pretty much screwed. Or if you have testicular cancer, according to your Bible, you really shouldn't bother praying for yourself. Because men with injured " PLANES" or no " BALLS" are NOT ALLOWED in CHURCH. " He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD." (Deuteronomy 23:1) 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/23/2008 Posts: 3,966
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AlphDoti wrote:Jus Blazin wrote:Is Sharia Law in the Quran? The Quran is the sharia. Quote:Sharia law is Islam's legal system. It is derived from both the Quran (the word of God), the Sunnah (example of the life of the prophet Muhammad), and fatwas (the rulings of Islamic scholars). So Sharia law is man made, no? Otherwise it should be purely based on Quran. Sindio? Luck is when Preparation meets Opportunity. ~ Lucius Annaeus Seneca
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