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tycho wrote:Don't forget that the subject too is also an illusion, when taken as absolute. All these illusions cease to be illusions when they are put into proper relations to 'nothingness'. That is, they are faces of nothingness.
Much ado about nothing is an illusion. Embrace of nothingness; stillness, absolute reality. You can create anything and call it absolute. That is definitely a valid way of generating your own reality, just like people who believe in a God, Devil, Unicorns, Flat Earth etc - their reality is valid too, at least to them. But when you try to measure your creation against an independent gauge - eg Science (Quantum Physics for one) or even rational philosophy, then the illusion becomes quite apparent. "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/3/2007 Posts: 1,635
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tycho wrote:There's neither mbele nor nyuma.
Hiyo ni kweli kabisa "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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@Wakanyugi, the other day I drew a conclusion that may seem 'fantastic' or even offensive to some: Knowledge is and has been constant through the ages and across the universe, but the metaphors and the rates at which human experience has been reconciled to metaphor has varied.
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/4/2015 Posts: 604
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Wakanyugi wrote:tycho wrote:Man didn't create God. Man, is God in terms of 'final cause'. Remember for example, Einstein's 'absolute space-time' as a basis of general theory of relativity. Absolute space-time implies a singularity of causes that can be personified... Brother Tycho: 1. I was talking of the popular God of the Bible, Koran, Gita et al. Surely we created that one? Who else could come up with such a hilarious mess? 2. Please don't misrepresent old man Einstein.He clearly said 'all is relative' (no absolutes), a position he struggled with through out his life, if you recall his debacle of the cosmological constant 3. I repeat, again, there are no absolutes in reality. I know it is scary, like suddenly realizing that the ground you stand on is nothing but empty space. It is. 'Absolute space/time is an illusion. An important illusion yes, but that is all it is. 4. Even your capacity to create reality, in all its detail (including filling up that empty space) is not absolute. You can change it and you often do. Indeed. The Universe is expanding faster than the laws of physics can explain, new measurements reveal
Time for some new physics?Quote:"I think that there is something in the standard cosmological model that we don't understand," lead researcher Adam Riess from Johns Hopkins University, who also co-discovered dark energy back in 1998, told Davide Castelvecchi at Nature. Quote:"If this new measurement is accurate - and our maps of the CMB are also accurate - then something about our fundamental understanding of the Universe is wrong," says Dickerson.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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No. I haven't misrepresented Einstein. There's absolute space-time in general relativity. Let me try to explain how before I refer you to a book that I'm sure will give you a more succint explanation.
Take any three observers moving at different velocities and acceleration, they'd have different registers of space-time yet the speed of light is constant regardless of the relative differences... Kindly check on this in 'Fabric of the cosmos'.
About absolutes again: think about string theory for example. The mathematical models used in reconciling quantum physics with theories of relativity would seem to rely on the foundation of strings that have certain characteristics that in my estimation, border or are even absolute...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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¿ wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:tycho wrote:Man didn't create God. Man, is God in terms of 'final cause'. Remember for example, Einstein's 'absolute space-time' as a basis of general theory of relativity. Absolute space-time implies a singularity of causes that can be personified... Brother Tycho: 1. I was talking of the popular God of the Bible, Koran, Gita et al. Surely we created that one? Who else could come up with such a hilarious mess? 2. Please don't misrepresent old man Einstein.He clearly said 'all is relative' (no absolutes), a position he struggled with through out his life, if you recall his debacle of the cosmological constant 3. I repeat, again, there are no absolutes in reality. I know it is scary, like suddenly realizing that the ground you stand on is nothing but empty space. It is. 'Absolute space/time is an illusion. An important illusion yes, but that is all it is. 4. Even your capacity to create reality, in all its detail (including filling up that empty space) is not absolute. You can change it and you often do. Indeed. The Universe is expanding faster than the laws of physics can explain, new measurements reveal
Time for some new physics?Quote:"I think that there is something in the standard cosmological model that we don't understand," lead researcher Adam Riess from Johns Hopkins University, who also co-discovered dark energy back in 1998, told Davide Castelvecchi at Nature. Quote:"If this new measurement is accurate - and our maps of the CMB are also accurate - then something about our fundamental understanding of the Universe is wrong," says Dickerson. You'll be surprised by how accurate the religious accounts of God are accurate. What seems to obsecure this accuracy is the difference in metaphor that different cultures hold. That's why they may seem hillarious to some. Man, the micro-cosmos is a reflexion of the macro-cosmos. The laws of the universe as we'd agree are homogenous. Now think about this, if knowledge is energic and given the quaintness of a quantum universe, would we be restricted to the method of knowing dictated by science? Man can know via revelation. Man through other sciences like yoga can know even what we call the future. BTW, for those wondering how the Bible is right, or even the Gita or Koran, they only need to check on the nuances of anthropology and the emphasis on the psycho-spiritual realm of existence...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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As for science declaring the need for a new model; that's no big deal in the order of things. Why? Because the newness is merely metaphorical. Everything has always been there, and given that knowledge is energic then somehow Man has always had access to it.
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/4/2015 Posts: 604
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tycho wrote:No. I haven't misrepresented Einstein. There's absolute space-time in general relativity. Let me try to explain how before I refer you to a book that I'm sure will give you a more succint explanation.
Take any three observers moving at different velocities and acceleration, they'd have different registers of space-time yet the speed of light is constant regardless of the relative differences... Kindly check on this in 'Fabric of the cosmos'.
About absolutes again: think about string theory for example. The mathematical models used in reconciling quantum physics with theories of relativity would seem to rely on the foundation of strings that have certain characteristics that in my estimation, border or are even absolute... Like?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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¿ wrote:tycho wrote:No. I haven't misrepresented Einstein. There's absolute space-time in general relativity. Let me try to explain how before I refer you to a book that I'm sure will give you a more succint explanation.
Take any three observers moving at different velocities and acceleration, they'd have different registers of space-time yet the speed of light is constant regardless of the relative differences... Kindly check on this in 'Fabric of the cosmos'.
About absolutes again: think about string theory for example. The mathematical models used in reconciling quantum physics with theories of relativity would seem to rely on the foundation of strings that have certain characteristics that in my estimation, border or are even absolute... Like? The limit of a Planck's length...
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/4/2015 Posts: 604
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tycho wrote:¿ wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:tycho wrote:Man didn't create God. Man, is God in terms of 'final cause'. Remember for example, Einstein's 'absolute space-time' as a basis of general theory of relativity. Absolute space-time implies a singularity of causes that can be personified... Brother Tycho: 1. I was talking of the popular God of the Bible, Koran, Gita et al. Surely we created that one? Who else could come up with such a hilarious mess? 2. Please don't misrepresent old man Einstein.He clearly said 'all is relative' (no absolutes), a position he struggled with through out his life, if you recall his debacle of the cosmological constant 3. I repeat, again, there are no absolutes in reality. I know it is scary, like suddenly realizing that the ground you stand on is nothing but empty space. It is. 'Absolute space/time is an illusion. An important illusion yes, but that is all it is. 4. Even your capacity to create reality, in all its detail (including filling up that empty space) is not absolute. You can change it and you often do. Indeed. The Universe is expanding faster than the laws of physics can explain, new measurements reveal
Time for some new physics?Quote:"I think that there is something in the standard cosmological model that we don't understand," lead researcher Adam Riess from Johns Hopkins University, who also co-discovered dark energy back in 1998, told Davide Castelvecchi at Nature. Quote:"If this new measurement is accurate - and our maps of the CMB are also accurate - then something about our fundamental understanding of the Universe is wrong," says Dickerson. You'll be surprised by how accurate the religious accounts of God are accurate. What seems to obsecure this accuracy is the difference in metaphor that different cultures hold. That's why they may seem hillarious to some. Man, the micro-cosmos is a reflexion of the macro-cosmos. The laws of the universe as we'd agree are homogenous. Now think about this, if knowledge is energic and given the quaintness of a quantum universe, would we be restricted to the method of knowing dictated by science? Man can know via revelation. Man through other sciences like yoga can know even what we call the future. BTW, for those wondering how the Bible is right, or even the Gita or Koran, they only need to check on the nuances of anthropology and the emphasis on the psycho-spiritual realm of existence... What's there to be surprised about? Long before science there was technology and a pursuit for knowledge in both the physical and the metaphysical realms. I'm more interested in the evolution of science and scientism.
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