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Madness at the NSE
Sufficiently Philanga....thropic
#1821 Posted : Thursday, October 17, 2019 9:54:35 AM
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Bank stocks reacting to the news ATM
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Sufficiently Philanga....thropic
#1822 Posted : Thursday, October 17, 2019 10:02:46 AM
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lochaz-index wrote:
wukan wrote:
I agree that at some point they will bow down to the markets especially if USD bulls rage. But it is viable politically, socially and economically to hold things constant for a decade to allow for the debt binge to balance off. Treasury's kick-the-can strategy on debt shows this as more likely.

The biggest casualty will be the poor and the emerging middle class who will stagnate for a decade because of low employment and stagnant wages. However, given the docile nature of kenya's middle class it will have little consequence for the power elite. They can pull it off. Wanjiku is easily taken in by propaganda as @Angel puts it.

A decade? My guesstimate is one year tops before the market shows the way. Bond yields may have already bottomed if what is happening in the Japanese bond and US REPO markets is any kind of indicator. Overall, after retesting and exceeding the 2016 lows, negative yielding bonds are now retreating and it could be a short ride up if this is a liquidity shortage.


You called it @Lochaz-indexApplause Applause Applause
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Ericsson
#1823 Posted : Thursday, October 17, 2019 10:38:10 AM
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Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:

Bank stocks reacting to the news ATM


So far only KCB and Equity bank share prices reacting,the rest are mute.
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Fyatu
#1824 Posted : Thursday, October 17, 2019 10:53:47 AM
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Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:
Following the Prseident's refusal to sign the Finance bill until the rate cap is done away with, September 2019's 10 year low of 2420 will be the floor.....




Woe unto those who are not inside the market.....watabaki tu kukula na macho.
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Ericsson
#1825 Posted : Thursday, October 17, 2019 11:44:43 AM
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Fyatu wrote:
Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:
Following the Prseident's refusal to sign the Finance bill until the rate cap is done away with, September 2019's 10 year low of 2420 will be the floor.....




Woe unto those who are not inside the market.....watabaki tu kukula na macho.

Market conditions still weak to push a rally.Top gainer today is at 4%.
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wukan
#1826 Posted : Thursday, October 17, 2019 5:32:12 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:
Following the Prseident's refusal to sign the Finance bill until the rate cap is done away with, September 2019's 10 year low of 2420 will be the floor.....




Woe unto those who are not inside the market.....watabaki tu kukula na macho.

Market conditions still weak to push a rally.Top gainer today is at 4%.


This bear will teach many a lesson. The problem is structural and interest rates on their own won't deal with the underlying structural issues. Fiscal stimulus has failed to stimulate the expected growth now they will try monetary stimulus. You need to look at point 3 of the president's memo.

Technically looking at the chart you can see the tail has to be longer than where it is now to complete the correction.
Ericsson
#1827 Posted : Thursday, October 17, 2019 5:39:38 PM
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wukan wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:
Following the Prseident's refusal to sign the Finance bill until the rate cap is done away with, September 2019's 10 year low of 2420 will be the floor.....




Woe unto those who are not inside the market.....watabaki tu kukula na macho.

Market conditions still weak to push a rally.Top gainer today is at 4%.


This bear will teach many a lesson. The problem is structural and interest rates on their own won't deal with the underlying structural issues. Fiscal stimulus has failed to stimulate the expected growth now they will try monetary stimulus. You need to look at point 3 of the president's memo.

Technically looking at the chart you can see the tail has to be longer than where it is now to complete the correction.


Can you post the full memo here or provide a link
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wukan
#1828 Posted : Thursday, October 17, 2019 5:48:57 PM
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lochaz-index
#1829 Posted : Thursday, October 17, 2019 6:20:10 PM
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wukan wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:
Following the Prseident's refusal to sign the Finance bill until the rate cap is done away with, September 2019's 10 year low of 2420 will be the floor.....




Woe unto those who are not inside the market.....watabaki tu kukula na macho.

Market conditions still weak to push a rally.Top gainer today is at 4%.


This bear will teach many a lesson. The problem is structural and interest rates on their own won't deal with the underlying structural issues. Fiscal stimulus has failed to stimulate the expected growth now they will try monetary stimulus. You need to look at point 3 of the president's memo.

Technically looking at the chart you can see the tail has to be longer than where it is now to complete the correction.

Seconded. @SPT that low of 2420 will hold for now but it will be broken down the road. The NSE20 will conjure up a rally after the cap is lifted but I don't envisage it going beyond 3000. Still a traders market through 2020. KE is still hurtling towards an economic shit storm which can't be undone by fiat or a stroke of the pen.
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Fyatu
#1830 Posted : Thursday, October 17, 2019 10:25:55 PM
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wukan wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:
Following the Prseident's refusal to sign the Finance bill until the rate cap is done away with, September 2019's 10 year low of 2420 will be the floor.....




Woe unto those who are not inside the market.....watabaki tu kukula na macho.

Market conditions still weak to push a rally.Top gainer today is at 4%.


This bear will teach many a lesson. The problem is structural and interest rates on their own won't deal with the underlying structural issues. Fiscal stimulus has failed to stimulate the expected growth now they will try monetary stimulus. You need to look at point 3 of the president's memo.

Technically looking at the chart you can see the tail has to be longer than where it is now to complete the correction.



I am not a TA, however, i have noticed general lack of supply in most stocks over the recent past(6 months)and reduced turnover hinting that perhaps we have bottomed-out.

I am keen to know how low the NSE20 can go as you seem to suggest. Can it go sub 1500 points? If it goes sub 1500 what will be the price of KCB or Equity or Safaricom etc shares? . Is there a possibility of seeing KCB at sub 17 bob or Safaricom at sub 12 bob? Will Britam trade at 3bob?

I strongly doubt the index will go any lower than 2420.Also, you will notice that most companies posted improved numbers HY2019 and there were less profit warnings. Most tier 1 banks performed very well and are highly likely to post better results FY2019 that previously posted pre-rate cap.

The bear is good. I want it to last a little longer so that i can cement my positions.
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