@muriel no, I don't believe God commanded people to smash infants on the walls. That is not God!!!

My bro, even you don't know that there is no original Torah anymore?
What you have is only "kumbu-kumbu Ya Taurati"... just a "remainder", hte rest is man-made as Jeremiah 8:8 tells you that bible has become "lies from the pen of the scribes has made it into falsehood".

But yes, what we should be having is Torah according to prophet Moses (peace be upon him). If you had the Torah in its original form, we would implement it.

What you see Israel doing is man made laws, killing children.

Islam does not support that.

Even in war, Islam is very clear about the mode of engagement. No killing children, women, animals, no destroying buildings, places of worship, trees etc.

Brother Alphdoti,

1. So you don't believe Allah commanded people to smash babies on walls
2. But you believe, and quote for readers benefit that Allah commanded people not to leave alive anything that breathes.
3. Yet you now say not leaving anything alive is not allah's laws but man made laws?

What's up with you and contradictions? Why are you quoting for us man made laws allegedly from your bible?

So having seen Muslims have been under attack from christians, it is time for muslims to defend themselves.

Islam indeed supports terrorism.

I repeat:
1. In a war. I already said that. What is the problem. But it does not say kill women and children like your Bible say!

2. 9:29 jizya means tax. Why should I deny it?

3. Why do you have to explain. It is self explanatory. You should be asking for this kind of govts.
This tax is much lower than the Zakat paid by the Muslims. So its payment gave non-Muslims equal citizenship rights with the Muslims besides exempting them from other responsibilities yet they practice their religion in peace. Payment of tax is a symbol of accepting to live under Islamic law; but they are free to practice their religion. This is the same as the taxes all Kenyans or Americans for example have to pay, whether Muslim or whatever. But people still practice their religion freely.

Quote by Alph Doti: By the way, Sharia will not affect anybody who is not Muslim, who is a law abiding citizen. You'll only be required to pay tax, less than 2.5% or there about per year, can you imagine!!! So if you compare 2.5% to 30% charged by Capitalist government, Islamic State is way far better.


ISIS is way better????!!

And you call yourself a "moderate Muslim?" If you say that what will the radicals say?

An analysis of the Koran, Sira and Hadith display the fact that there's no unmitigated good for the kafir. It's IMPOSSIBLE that the jizya tax was merciful to the kafir. That is simply not the nature of Islam.

Your WRONG interpretation of jizya tax is not in line with al-Razi, a Persian Sunni theologian and cleric, who's allowed to interpret Islamic text. So who should be believed more? Is it you? I don't think so!

"The intention of taking the jizya is not to approve the disbelief of non-Muslims in Islam, but rather to spare their lives and to give them some time; in hope that during it; they might stop to reflect on the virtues of Islam and its compelling arguments, and consequently converting from disbelief to belief. That's why it's important to pay the jizya with humiliation and servility, because naturally, any sensible person cannot stand humiliation and servility. So if the disbeliever is given some time watching the pride of Islam and hearing evidences of its authenticity, and see the humiliation of the disbelief, then apparently this might carry him to convert to Islam, and that's the main rationale behind the enactment of the jizya."

During the Mughal empire rule, the jizya protection tax was imposed at an inconsistent rate but was at least 50% of produce plus a fixed amount per person payable every month. Fast forward to 2015, Christians living under Sharia Law (by ISIS) are offered three choices: Islam; the dhimma contract – involving payment of Jizya; or death by the sword.

@Makali1 ISIS is your model Sharia? I pity you
Here is my stand on those fellows link

ISIS, Al Qaeda, Taliban, Boko Haram, Al Shabaab are all criminal groups.

Now you need to do a lot of catch up bro

Your options are valid. Come back when you have facts. Cheers.

In the meantime, go learn how to discipline your little ones
"Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones." (Psalm 137:9)

And if you insist disobeying God, "you will eat your babies" (Leviticus 26:27-30)

And if your wife asks you why tell her God "permits no WOMAN to teach or have authority over men; she is TO KEEP SILENT." Timothy 2:11

And if she gets mad and refuses to cook something for dinner, follow Ezekiel's recipe, make bread made with human feaces (Ezekiel 4:12)

What language do you speak @Makali1? Ulikuja hapa ukifikiria wewe ni mkali sana hata ukajiita "Makali1"? How would Jesus use many swords? It had to be one sword.

Jesus says: "Think not that I am come to bring peace on earth: I came NOT to send PEACE, but A SWORD" (Matthew 10:34)

Alphdoti, you say that ISIS, Al Qaeda, Taliban, Boko Haram, Al Shabaab are all criminal groups.


What you’re really saying is that groups like ISIS (or the Islamic State) are not really Islamic. Is it because they have rampaged across cities and villages killing innocents, have abducted women and children, subjected them to torture and rape and slavery, and murdered Christians?

Again, BY DEFINITION, Islam is made up of the words of Allah and the words & actions of Mohammed.

It is not up to you to tell what Islam is!

Let’s start on the issue of rape. Is it Islamic?

On the occasion of Khaybar, once the Jews had been crushed, Mohammed put forth new orders as to how sex would be had with captured women. They were not to be had sex with when they’re having their period, nor if they’re pregnant. So here we have Mohammed giving orders on how to have sex with captives. This is called rape. It is pure Mohammed.

Sexual slavery was not only fun and profitable for the Muslim men, but rape was a powerful tactic of war, then and today. The women are forced into submission to Muslim men and the husbands are humiliated. Humiliated men are weakened men, so more kafirs were less able to resist Islam.

For some time Mohammed’s favorite sex partner was a Christian slave from Egypt named Mary. One of Mohammed’s wives caught him in some state of intimacy with Mary in the wife’s bedroom and raised hell. Mohammed promised to not do it again and moved Mary to her own apartment in Medina.

Mohammed had received Mary and her sister as gifts. He gave her sister away to a Muslim poet. He was used to giving away sex slaves. He gave several of his top lieutenants kafir sex slaves. Umar, who later became caliph, gave his sex slave to his son. [As an aside, when he was caliph, his son got drunk and Umar beat him to death.]

Now, what about the issue of torture. Well, on the same event, once Mohammed crushed the Jews at Khaybar, he knew they had buried treasure and so he questioned the chieftain. “Where’s the money? Where’s the gold? Where’s the silver?” And he wouldn’t tell him. So, Mohammed ordered the Jewish chieftain staked out on the ground and a small fire built on his chest. Still he would not speak. And so they unstaked him and took him to a man who had lost a brother in the fight against the Jews at Khaybar and he beheaded the Jewish chieftain.

So, here in one event we have torture, we have Jew hatred and we have beheading. All of these are pure Islam!

So when you say people like Bin Laden (late), Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, Abu Bakr Shekau are not real Muslims, like really?

A jihadist is not really a Muslim? This news is going to be such a disappointment to Mohammed, the original Mohammed, the jihadist Mohammed. And let us not leave out the jihadist Allah!

Should we declare that all of the first caliphs who were personal companions of Mohammed were not really Muslims as well? After all, all four of the Rightly Guided Caliphs (the first four leaders of Islam after Mohammed’s death) started where Mohammed left off and waged jihad for their entire lives. They created the first stage of the Islamic empire. Why did they practice jihad? Because they were taught by example by Mohammed.

Mohammed’s example was crystal clear. According to the Sira, the sacred biography of Mohammed, he was involved in over 65 acts of jihad, or as we say today, 65 acts of terror.

Why are we being told that ISIS, Boko Haram, al-Shebab are not real Muslims? The PROPAGANDA is that violence has nothing to do with Islam. But Islam is based on Mohammed and he was violent in every way. He assassinated those who opposed him, enslaved thousands and sold them for money to wage jihad, he tortured men to death for money, tortured slaves to get information from them, created a policy of rape of Kafir women and on and on.

A real Muslim is the one who follows in the footsteps of Mohammed and replicates his life as much as possible. If not, then that person is NOT a Muslim but a kafir.

You asked: what is the punishment for rape? You go ask those judges what they did to the rapists MPs. They have the answer.

But if you want to know God's law on this, then:
1. Exodus 21:23-25
2. Proverbs 6:32 "He who commits adultery lacks sense; he who does it destroys himself."
3. Leviticus 20:10 "...both the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death."
4. Matthew 5:17 "I have come not to abolish the law but to fulfill them."

But I know you are fake. You don't really mean when you say you're a devout Christian. If you were, I would recommend you follow God's solution to save women and men from Hellfire.

Deuteronomy 25:11-12: a woman's punishment for defending her husband is: cut off her hand!

But I know you are not really serious about what you preach. If people were better Christians, we'd have a lot more handless people walking around. Because all those faithful wives who defend their husbands everyday by grabbing a guy by his balls, husbands have God's blessing to cut her hand off.

That is absolutely RIGHT! Our Lord Jesus Christ was the fulfillment of the Old Testament Law. What Law, you ask? The Law of God that the consequence of sin is death. Jesus Christ did NOT abolish that requirement. Sin was still sin, with its severe consequences of death and eternal separation from God.

We see the importance of blood sacrifice for sin when God is pleased with Abel’s animal sacrifice yet He rejects Cains'. Cain did not have the revelation to understand that a sinful nature had a “life” behind it that had to die, so he offered fruits and vegetables to God. Blood signifies life. Indeed, the Father of Sin is the devil, a living breathing being. When someone becomes born again, we say their old person has died and He/she is now a new being in Christ.

The only thing that could appease a Holy and righteous God who had been sinned against was a bloody sacrifice. In the Old Testament, priests daily offered birds and cattle as a sacrifice for the atonement of sins. Hebrews 10:3-4. Yet in those sacrifices there was a reminder of sins year by year. [After Christ’s perfect redemptive’s work on the cross], the blood of bulls and goats can no longer take away sins. This is CRUCIAL to understand!

Today, a man who steals and has his hand cut off has still not been forgiven of his sin. Neither the adulteress who’s stoned to death or the murderer who’s also put to death. The only way for God to forgive that transgression is through the blood of Jesus Christ! If God could forgive the one handed man for the sin of robbery since he has paid for it with his hand, then Christ’s death was all in VAIN!

Again, we see that Jesus Christ did not abolish the law but fulfilled the requirement. For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him. (2 Corinthians 5:21).

Revelation 5:2-5 is to me one of the sweetest, most inspired Word. It is the foundation upon which all of Christianity lies.

“And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof? And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon. And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon. And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and loose the seven seals thereof. And I beheld, and lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a LAMB as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. “

Instead of a Lion, a slain bloody Lamb appeared! It was Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God that takes away the sins of the World. What was in that book that was sealed up with seven seals? Indeed, no other creature in the universe could open that book apart from the ONE AND ONLY who was worthy and sinless. In it were the names of those people who were written in the Lamb’s book of life. God in His foreknowledge already had a way of redeeming mankind back to Him after the Fall.
Hence, it is ONLY through the Lamb of God, the perfect SACRIFICE ie Jesus Christ, that mankind may enter the Kingdom of God.

The Old Testament Saints knew that while God had provided a Law , they were constantly breaking it and having to pay penalty through an elaborate sacrificial system. Unfortunately, Shariah Islamic code is STUCK on this sacrificial system because of denying Jesus' death and resurrection. Isaiah knew his “goodness” wasn’t “good enough” (Isaiah 64:6) and that animal sacrifices weren’t going to ultimately please a Holy and perfect God (Psalm 40:6). Hence, these Old Testament saints knew about Grace and they also knew a Messiah was coming. Jesus is, as He always was, the Messiah and the only way to the Father. In fact, the only sin that cannot be forgiven is denying the redemption work of Jesus on Calvary because that is the very essence and foundation of SALVATION and eternal life.