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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Um Sayala wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Vallerrie wrote:This thread is suddenly NSFW. Those pictures? Aiiii no, and can we stop quoting that reply, I don't want to come across those pics ever again. I'm a normal Kenyan. If there is insecurity, it affects me, it affects all of us plus our children our wives, our husbands, our parents, our siblings etc. I said I'm sadden by this incident. I don;t who did it. You don't know who did it. Nobody knows in Wazua. So nobody has the right to accuse or point fingers. In all my posts in this thread, I have not pointed fingers at anyone!!!! I'm being objective and fair. But you can see almost all the people accusing me here have all said bad things, name calling, assuming and alleging. Now that is where you go wrong. This was not insecurity. It is TERRORISM, they are different. One is bigger than the other. and you are wrong, you were not affected, as a muslim, none of you was in that church, none has been in the previous attacks on churches.Have you ever imagined how you'd react if all this time only mosques were being targeted? Don't you read news? Mosque(s) have always been targeted. As we speak whereabouts of Hemed Salim is unknown, whose disappearance has been shrouded in mystery since his arrest at Masjid Musa on Feb 2. We know who attacked the mosque. We don't know who attacked the church. It can be anyone. Churches have been attacked before by people who dispute land. By fellow pastors, like the Uhuru park No Campaign.
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AlphDoti wrote:ZZE123 wrote:@Alpha, what is your opinion of Makaburi?? Do you support him? @ZZE123 As regards Makaburi, I don't know him, I have never met him, he is neither my friend nor enemy. I cannot say I support him or not based on news reports of NTV or KTN or BBC or CNN. If you want the answer based on NTV, I have no option but to say he is portrayed as bad person. But the Quran says in chapter 49:6 that whenever you get the information, check it up before you pass it on the second person. So therefore as far as Makaburi is concerned I cannot say. But what I can say very well we have got established proof from the same media, we know many people have been killed in Coastal region. Just on the basis of mere suspicion of involvement in terrorism. This is violation of the principle of non-discrimination and fair trial standards. Which raises questions are people guilty just because they are Muslims? Reading English can sometimes be difficult. Let me rush for my English class.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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@Robinhood try to read posts by @alba on this case. He tried to put across important points, but no one wants to listen. They are not really ready to listen. So even if I say that let us leave accusations, and stop making this a religious issue, you don't want to listen.
I have said, we should treat every criminal involved in these acts as a criminal and must face law, regardless of religion. I have said that Muslims do not support these attacks, Islam condemns killing of innocent.
I have said let us turn everybody into partner in the war on terror. Let us also come to our senses and know that the war on terror is not a war on Islam or on Muslims.
I say this because there are many of us here who want to see the war on terror but have not overcome their suspicion and mistrust of Muslims.
They need to change their perception and turn Muslims into Partners in the war on terror.
THIS IS WHAT @ALBA HAS BEEN TRYING TO TELL YOU.
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AlphDoti wrote:ZZE123 wrote:@Alpha, what is your opinion of Makaburi?? Do you support him? @ZZE123 As regards Makaburi, I don't know him, I have never met him, he is neither my friend nor enemy. I cannot say I support him or not based on news reports of NTV or KTN or BBC or CNN. If you want the answer based on NTV, I have no option but to say he is portrayed as bad person. But the Quran says in chapter 49:6 that whenever you get the information, check it up before you pass it on the second person. So therefore as far as Makaburi is concerned I cannot say. But what I can say very well we have got established proof from the same media, we know many people have been killed in Coastal region. Just on the basis of mere suspicion of involvement in terrorism. This is violation of the principle of non-discrimination and fair trial standards. Which raises questions are people guilty just because they are Muslims? seems like you only trust the media when it is convenient for you. otherwise how would you trust the media when it comes to news about the atrocities in the middle east but you question news on the likes of makaburi? seems to be that you are not being honest with us here.
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mkenyan wrote:AlphDoti wrote:ZZE123 wrote:@Alpha, what is your opinion of Makaburi?? Do you support him? @ZZE123 As regards Makaburi, I don't know him, I have never met him, he is neither my friend nor enemy. I cannot say I support him or not based on news reports of NTV or KTN or BBC or CNN. If you want the answer based on NTV, I have no option but to say he is portrayed as bad person. But the Quran says in chapter 49:6 that whenever you get the information, check it up before you pass it on the second person. So therefore as far as Makaburi is concerned I cannot say. But what I can say very well we have got established proof from the same media, we know many people have been killed in Coastal region. Just on the basis of mere suspicion of involvement in terrorism. This is violation of the principle of non-discrimination and fair trial standards. Which raises questions are people guilty just because they are Muslims? seems like you only trust the media when it is convenient for you. otherwise how would you trust the media when it comes to news about the atrocities in the middle east but you question news on the likes of makaburi? seems to be that you are not being honest with us here. Exactly...double standards. In a video, Makaburi says "I support what happened in Westgate. Its justified." Yet Alph didn't hear that. SMH
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AlphDoti wrote:@Robinhood try to read posts by @alba on this case. He tried to put across important points, but no one wants to listen. They are not really ready to listen. So even if I say that let us leave accusations, and stop making this a religious issue, you don't want to listen.
I have said, we should treat every criminal involved in these acts as a criminal and must face law, regardless of religion. I have said that Muslims do not support these attacks, Islam condemns killing of innocent.
I have said let us turn everybody into partner in the war on terror. Let us also come to our senses and know that the war on terror is not a war on Islam or on Muslims.
I say this because there are many of us here who want to see the war on terror but have not overcome their suspicion and mistrust of Muslims.
They need to change their perception and turn Muslims into Partners in the war on terror.
THIS IS WHAT @ALBA HAS BEEN TRYING TO TELL YOU. Since you refuse to answer any questions but hide under @ Alba's skirt, at least answer this Quote:Islam condemns killing of innocent. Maybe we are all going round in circles when the answer is there with you. According to that statement, who is "innocent"? What determines if you are "innocent" You are not gaining any favours by refusing to answer questions but instead play victim. MAN UP and answer what you're being asked!!
“People will believe a big lie sooner than a little one, and if you repeat it frequently enough, people will sooner or later believe it.” ― Walter C. Langer
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/19/2010 Posts: 1,308 Location: nairobi metropolitan
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AlphDoti wrote:Um Sayala wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Vallerrie wrote:This thread is suddenly NSFW. Those pictures? Aiiii no, and can we stop quoting that reply, I don't want to come across those pics ever again. I'm a normal Kenyan. If there is insecurity, it affects me, it affects all of us plus our children our wives, our husbands, our parents, our siblings etc. I said I'm sadden by this incident. I don;t who did it. You don't know who did it. Nobody knows in Wazua. So nobody has the right to accuse or point fingers. In all my posts in this thread, I have not pointed fingers at anyone!!!! I'm being objective and fair. But you can see almost all the people accusing me here have all said bad things, name calling, assuming and alleging. Now that is where you go wrong. This was not insecurity. It is TERRORISM, they are different. One is bigger than the other. and you are wrong, you were not affected, as a muslim, none of you was in that church, none has been in the previous attacks on churches.Have you ever imagined how you'd react if all this time only mosques were being targeted? Don't you read news? Mosque(s) have always been targeted. As we speak whereabouts of Hemed Salim is unknown, whose disappearance has been shrouded in mystery since his arrest at Masjid Musa on Feb 2. We know who attacked the mosque. We don't know who attacked the church. It can be anyone. Churches have been attacked before by people who dispute land. By fellow pastors, like the Uhuru park No Campaign. @Alpha you are doing Islam a disservice, you can't compare the possible mistakes of a counter terrorism operation with the actions of terrorists. As they say, evil prospers if good men see no wrong, and or do nothing. Democracy does not belong to the dead
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Kratos wrote:Since you refuse to answer any questions but hide under @ Alba's skirt, at least answer this Quote:Islam condemns killing of innocent. Maybe we are all going round in circles when the answer is there with you. According to that statement, who is "innocent"? What determines if you are "innocent" You are not gaining any favours by refusing to answer questions but instead play victim. MAN UP and answer what you're being asked!! @kratos innocent is someone who has not committed any crime or offense or one who is not taking part in a fight, for example the civilian in a war. So the innocent is a Jew, a Christian, a Muslim, an atheist, or anybody in general who does not involve in wrong doing. But if someone kills or rapes etc, whether he is Muslim or non-Muslim or any other is not innocent.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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washiku wrote:mkenyan wrote:AlphDoti wrote:ZZE123 wrote:@Alpha, what is your opinion of Makaburi?? Do you support him? @ZZE123 As regards Makaburi, I don't know him, I have never met him, he is neither my friend nor enemy. I cannot say I support him or not based on news reports of NTV or KTN or BBC or CNN. If you want the answer based on NTV, I have no option but to say he is portrayed as bad person. But the Quran says in chapter 49:6 that whenever you get the information, check it up before you pass it on the second person. So therefore as far as Makaburi is concerned I cannot say. But what I can say very well we have got established proof from the same media, we know many people have been killed in Coastal region. Just on the basis of mere suspicion of involvement in terrorism. This is violation of the principle of non-discrimination and fair trial standards. Which raises questions are people guilty just because they are Muslims? seems like you only trust the media when it is convenient for you. otherwise how would you trust the media when it comes to news about the atrocities in the middle east but you question news on the likes of makaburi? seems to be that you are not being honest with us here. Exactly...double standards. In a video, Makaburi says "I support what happened in Westgate. Its justified." Yet Alph didn't hear that. SMH Oppression should never be condoned, is should not allowed. It does not matter which camp you are in. The leaders at the coast say nobody has been taken to court because of breaking a law. Witnesses say Abud Rogo didn't recruit anybody to Al-shabaab. And there is no proof (other than the story by the Mzungu who owns this website http://www.intelligencebriefs.com). Makaburi is saying the same. But now they are labelled as terrorists. You see if you're oppressed, you have to defend yourself. When we see threats and harassment, the result will only lead to further reaction. Because majority of the people are innocent. People are protesting the harassment from the government.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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So in summary of what I've been saying today:
1. What we find, it is the media which portray that Muslims are doing the bad things, including this case of Likoni.
2. Yes we do know there are black-sheep in the community, there are black-sheep in every community.
3. What we find is that no religion teaches killing of innocent human beings.
4. But there are more non-muslims killing innocent human beings.
5. The so-called Muslims who kill innocent human being are not really Muslims. They are either allegation from the media, or they are not following teachings of Islam.
6. But what the media does is, they pick them up and portray as though they are exemplary Muslims. It is the strategy of the media to malign Islam.
7. The media can change black into white, day into night, hero into villain, villain into hero.
8 And for those victims of the killings in Likoni, I want to express my sympathy again to the bereaved families. I offer them my sincere consolation and I advise them to be patient.
Especially the family of the the woman who was killed and left an orphan child, with bullet in his body!
9. I support the decision by the government today to sponsor the treatment for the baby.
10. And for the rest of us, I say we don't know who did this bad act. Let us not hate each because of this. It is possible the intention of the one who did this is to divide us. Let us not hate each other. Majority of us are innocent. And we should be seeing each other as Kenyans. Regardless of your belief.
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