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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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murchr wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Swenani wrote:nakujua wrote:hapa niko na @murchr, yaani some are of the opinion that the family be paid - enyewe tuko hapa hapa na sio pale pale for a reason. The case in in court so the outcome is not known, lakini taking a hypothetical scenario where someone kills my wife, I would never take cash from them as payment - wacha ikae, kwani hii pesa haiwezi tafutwa. I thought I was the only remaining man,kumbe we are two!!! @nakujua, I think that is to rigid stand. There are two ways out of the problem by law: 1. the law of equality: eye for an eye. The guy to face death sentence. 2. But if any remission is made by the family of the killed woman, then grant any reasonable demand, and compensate family with handsome gratitude A rigid stand will not benefit the family. If he goes to jail, the family will feel satisfied, and nothing more. If he is made to pay blood money, then Ng'nga will feel the pinch and the family will get compensation and feel satisfied. So I would go for option (2). What is blood money? Watch this woman then answer It is depressing. I feel for the victim of such carelessness. You see, we are all different. And because of difference in us and situation, the law allows for different ways of settling such grave matters. Even if I said we always go for option (1) with no one being given option (2), still @mawinder would come here and call me names. I just listed what the law provides. I really feel for the mother above. And for her, she chose option (1), no forgiveness. And that's her right. She said she's not forgiving the guy, so the law decided to give the guy whatever number of years in jail. Coming back home... you know our Kenyan judiciary very well. That's why in my comment above, I said given the circumstances, I would go for option (2), because I wonder how many years Ng'ang'a would go to jail in Kenya? 10yrs? 5 yrs? 2yrs? 1yr?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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mawinder wrote:nakujua wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Swenani wrote:nakujua wrote:hapa niko na @murchr, yaani some are of the opinion that the family be paid - enyewe tuko hapa hapa na sio pale pale for a reason. The case in in court so the outcome is not known, lakini taking a hypothetical scenario where someone kills my wife, I would never take cash from them as payment - wacha ikae, kwani hii pesa haiwezi tafutwa. I thought I was the only remaining man,kumbe we are two!!! @nakujua, I think that is to rigid stand. There are two ways out of the problem by law: 1. the law of equality: eye for an eye. The guy to face death sentence. 2. But if any remission is made by the family of the killed woman, then grant any reasonable demand, and compensate family with handsome gratitude A rigid stand will not benefit the family. If he goes to jail, the family will feel satisfied, and nothing more. If he is made to pay blood money, then Ng'nga will feel the pinch and the family will get compensation and feel satisfied. So I would go for option (2). Well that's you, I am not claiming a higher standing but receiving cash from an individual who killed someone I love, for the death would feel weird to me - at the end of the day as I said pesa inaweza tafutwa, some things can not. so if an individual kills your wife and pays you for that, then they come back and kill your daughter and pays you for it - at whatw point does it stop, killers might have a tendency to repeat their actions. With Alphadoti's reasoning it is okay if my boys rape his mother and he is paid 2m for it. To me, punishment for rape is very clear: stoning the perpetrator to death if he is married, and 100 lashes and banishment for one year if he is not married. As regards accidentally killing, its punishment is different. You see, the pastor may not have woken up that morning intending to kill anyone, but he was reckless in driving, and as a result he caused death, so he should be punished, and law provides the above options. NOTE: I'm not in any way suggesting the pastor be let free, no. He should face the law.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/11/2008 Posts: 2,306
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Even if the pastor goes to jail, some form of restitution would go some way in making things easier for the family. I still root for the law to be followed though I imagine that it will be like the case of Old Mr Delamere. The family of Ole Sisina who was shot by Delamere is still living in penury while the killer served 8 months in prison. What justice is this? Nkt Great men are not always wise, neither do the aged understand judgement...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/17/2009 Posts: 3,583 Location: Kenya
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AlphDoti wrote:mawinder wrote:nakujua wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Swenani wrote:nakujua wrote:hapa niko na @murchr, yaani some are of the opinion that the family be paid - enyewe tuko hapa hapa na sio pale pale for a reason. The case in in court so the outcome is not known, lakini taking a hypothetical scenario where someone kills my wife, I would never take cash from them as payment - wacha ikae, kwani hii pesa haiwezi tafutwa. I thought I was the only remaining man,kumbe we are two!!! @nakujua, I think that is to rigid stand. There are two ways out of the problem by law: 1. the law of equality: eye for an eye. The guy to face death sentence. 2. But if any remission is made by the family of the killed woman, then grant any reasonable demand, and compensate family with handsome gratitude A rigid stand will not benefit the family. If he goes to jail, the family will feel satisfied, and nothing more. If he is made to pay blood money, then Ng'nga will feel the pinch and the family will get compensation and feel satisfied. So I would go for option (2). Well that's you, I am not claiming a higher standing but receiving cash from an individual who killed someone I love, for the death would feel weird to me - at the end of the day as I said pesa inaweza tafutwa, some things can not. so if an individual kills your wife and pays you for that, then they come back and kill your daughter and pays you for it - at whatw point does it stop, killers might have a tendency to repeat their actions. With Alphadoti's reasoning it is okay if my boys rape his mother and he is paid 2m for it. To me, punishment for rape is very clear: stoning the perpetrator to death if he is married, and 100 lashes and banishment for one year if he is not married. As regards accidentally killing, its punishment is different. You see, the pastor may not have woken up that morning intending to kill anyone, but he was reckless in driving, and as a result he caused death, so he should be punished, and law provides the above options. NOTE: I'm not in any way suggesting the pastor be let free, no. He should face the law. You never fail to amaze me, so if one is not married the rape is less or something - you seriously think if a man is not married and they rape your daughter they should walk after one year
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/30/2008 Posts: 6,029
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Robinhood wrote:Even if the pastor goes to jail, some form of restitution would go some way in making things easier for the family. I still root for the law to be followed though I imagine that it will be like the case of Old Mr Delamere. The family of Ole Sisina who was shot by Delamere is still living in penury while the killer served 8 months in prison. What justice is this? Nkt Seems you have little understanding of the law. The husband can go to court now even before the conclusion of the traffic case and sue Nganga for damages.He can still wait for the verdict, use the verdict if Nganga is found guilty as evidence in the civil suit and he will be paid.He does not need legal fees upfront as there are many ambulance chasers who can do the job for him and recover from the award.He only needs to choose a reputable one.Remember the Delamere case was a criminal one and not a traffic case which are 2 different cases!!!!!!!!!!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/17/2009 Posts: 3,583 Location: Kenya
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Robinhood wrote:Even if the pastor goes to jail, some form of restitution would go some way in making things easier for the family. I still root for the law to be followed though I imagine that it will be like the case of Old Mr Delamere. The family of Ole Sisina who was shot by Delamere is still living in penury while the killer served 8 months in prison. What justice is this? Nkt sasa hii restitution does it only apply to those with lots of cash. Assume a boda boda hustler consumes some froth from the ruaraka river, get on his bike veers onto the walkway and knock down your loved one. Now would you be ok with them paying you a restitution, instead of them walking away on a technicality since the cop who first came to the scene missed to collect evidence - lets say all they can afford is 10k.
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nakujua wrote:Robinhood wrote:Even if the pastor goes to jail, some form of restitution would go some way in making things easier for the family. I still root for the law to be followed though I imagine that it will be like the case of Old Mr Delamere. The family of Ole Sisina who was shot by Delamere is still living in penury while the killer served 8 months in prison. What justice is this? Nkt sasa hii restitution does it only apply to those with lots of cash. Assume a boda boda hustler consumes some froth from the ruaraka river, get on his bike veers onto the walkway and knock down your loved one. Now would you be ok with them paying you a restitution, instead of them walking away on a technicality since the cop who first came to the scene missed to collect evidence - lets say all they can afford is 10k. Formal education will make you a living. Self-education will make you a fortune - Jim Rohn.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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nakujua wrote:AlphDoti wrote:mawinder wrote:nakujua wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Swenani wrote:nakujua wrote:hapa niko na @murchr, yaani some are of the opinion that the family be paid - enyewe tuko hapa hapa na sio pale pale for a reason. The case in in court so the outcome is not known, lakini taking a hypothetical scenario where someone kills my wife, I would never take cash from them as payment - wacha ikae, kwani hii pesa haiwezi tafutwa. I thought I was the only remaining man,kumbe we are two!!! @nakujua, I think that is to rigid stand. There are two ways out of the problem by law: 1. the law of equality: eye for an eye. The guy to face death sentence. 2. But if any remission is made by the family of the killed woman, then grant any reasonable demand, and compensate family with handsome gratitude A rigid stand will not benefit the family. If he goes to jail, the family will feel satisfied, and nothing more. If he is made to pay blood money, then Ng'nga will feel the pinch and the family will get compensation and feel satisfied. So I would go for option (2). Well that's you, I am not claiming a higher standing but receiving cash from an individual who killed someone I love, for the death would feel weird to me - at the end of the day as I said pesa inaweza tafutwa, some things can not. so if an individual kills your wife and pays you for that, then they come back and kill your daughter and pays you for it - at whatw point does it stop, killers might have a tendency to repeat their actions. With Alphadoti's reasoning it is okay if my boys rape his mother and he is paid 2m for it. To me, punishment for rape is very clear: stoning the perpetrator to death if he is married, and 100 lashes and banishment for one year if he is not married. As regards accidentally killing, its punishment is different. You see, the pastor may not have woken up that morning intending to kill anyone, but he was reckless in driving, and as a result he caused death, so he should be punished, and law provides the above options. NOTE: I'm not in any way suggesting the pastor be let free, no. He should face the law. You never fail to amaze me, so if one is not married the rape is less or something - you seriously think if a man is not married and they rape your daughter they should walk after one year Yes, when one is not married, the punishment is less as compared to a married man, which is treated like adultery since he had no excuse since he has a wife at home, so he is stoned to death. As for unmarried, remember it's difficult to prove rape. And please don't confuse pedophile and rape. Rape involves an adult woman, while pedophilia is for underage girl. So if woman is raped by unmarried man and proven (which is difficult coz the woman might have just raised the alarm because of a deal gone wrong), then the man is flogged 100 lashes. About walking away after one year, that one is yours. I didn't say anything about 1 year.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/11/2008 Posts: 2,306
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mawinder wrote:Robinhood wrote:Even if the pastor goes to jail, some form of restitution would go some way in making things easier for the family. I still root for the law to be followed though I imagine that it will be like the case of Old Mr Delamere. The family of Ole Sisina who was shot by Delamere is still living in penury while the killer served 8 months in prison. What justice is this? Nkt Seems you have little understanding of the law. The husband can go to court now even before the conclusion of the traffic case and sue Nganga for damages.He can still wait for the verdict, use the verdict if Nganga is found guilty as evidence in the civil suit and he will be paid.He does not need legal fees upfront as there are many ambulance chasers who can do the job for him and recover from the award.He only needs to choose a reputable one.Remember the Delamere case was a criminal one and not a traffic case which are 2 different cases!!!!!!!!!!! Mawinder my brother. You are the one whose understanding of things is clouded by bile. Take a pill chill buda! You pursue this thing legally and it is stalled in the courts for ages, then the fellow pours cash at every turn and buys off every witness he can find. You may end up with a few million shillings at the end of a donkey's years but after your kids have suffered like crap. Or finally the judge dismisses the case and laments the poor quality of investigations and disappearing witnesses and/or court files. Or some may be some insurer pays. Pata potea. Great men are not always wise, neither do the aged understand judgement...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Robinhood wrote:mawinder wrote:Robinhood wrote:Even if the pastor goes to jail, some form of restitution would go some way in making things easier for the family. I still root for the law to be followed though I imagine that it will be like the case of Old Mr Delamere. The family of Ole Sisina who was shot by Delamere is still living in penury while the killer served 8 months in prison. What justice is this? Nkt Seems you have little understanding of the law. The husband can go to court now even before the conclusion of the traffic case and sue Nganga for damages.He can still wait for the verdict, use the verdict if Nganga is found guilty as evidence in the civil suit and he will be paid.He does not need legal fees upfront as there are many ambulance chasers who can do the job for him and recover from the award.He only needs to choose a reputable one.Remember the Delamere case was a criminal one and not a traffic case which are 2 different cases!!!!!!!!!!! Mawinder my brother. You are the one whose understanding of things is clouded by bile. Take a pill chill buda! You pursue this thing legally and it is stalled in the courts for ages, then the fellow pours cash at every turn and buys off every witness he can find. You may end up with a few million shillings at the end of a donkey's years but after your kids have suffered like crap. Or finally the judge dismisses the case and laments the poor quality of investigations and disappearing witnesses and/or court files. Or some may be some insurer pays. Pata potea. Looks like @mawinder has spent a considerable amount of time in the corridors of justice. Once the judge finds this criminal guilty, the victim(s) can file for restitution for injury caused and loss of a life (bread winner) and time lost out of work among other things. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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