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#171 Posted : Friday, April 13, 2012 10:12:24 AM
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Kenyan ICT industry has skills, judging from the iHub products and other start ups.

The work of Ministry of Info is to think on our behalf and come up with policy to enhace this skill.

I can only advice them as follows:
assuming a KES 1 B budget.

Get a Public Uni eg UoN to buy 1000 acres at Konza=200k x 1000ac=200 mil.

Stanford Uni, the epicentre of Siliocn Valley is around 1,800 acres in size.

Once the public uni uses its own funding to construct the ICT faculty, the balance of KES 800m can be used to support ICT start ups by providing venture capital and ICT infrastructure.

The start ups will attract more venture capital and over the years, this will develop into a mega ICT City, same as Silicon valley.

As we speak, all the kes 1B has been used to purchase 5000 acres for resale to the public. Am not seeing any concrete plans to assist the ICT industry at Konza.

In this situation, the same ICT start ups have contributed to the kes 1 B tax money so if the money is not assisting the economy, they also loose .
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eboomerang
#172 Posted : Friday, April 13, 2012 11:40:33 AM
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jamplu wrote:

Konza is not starting with 200,000 ICT guyz. Ndemo used that figure as the number of people whom the governments projects will get jobs when the town is fully functional and that is in all sectors that will be part of Konza city.

What skills do you think are lacking in ICT sector because it comprises of so many areas?
Are we also ignoring the fact that if you are providing a product in ICT most of them you have to collaborate with other professionals?


Fine, the city will not start with 200K people but will gradually grow to that number, in otherwords you will have empty buildings waiting to be occupied over a period of time, right?

I have said this before, that the rate with which we are building infrastructure does not at all compare with the rate we are producing talent. I stand to be corrected; most of those people creating apps are self educated in application development, if not they are coming from abroad.

How I wish we were saying that by 2030 we will have a single world standard university, notice the challenge is to have just one globally competitive university by 2030. Did you see that the govt is planning to close down KARI (Kenya Agricultural Research Institute)? This in a country whose economy is more than half supported by Agriculture, my friend we needs to get real and serious.

-->What skills do you think are lacking in ICT sector because it comprises of so many areas?I think all manner of skills are lacking. Remember I'm looking at the national level, not 200 - 300 people sitting in a building developing apps.

On the other hand, can you please enlighten me and name for me the skills Kenya has in ICT in the various areas?
jamplu
#173 Posted : Friday, April 13, 2012 6:00:49 PM
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eboomerang wrote:
jamplu wrote:

Konza is not starting with 200,000 ICT guyz. Ndemo used that figure as the number of people whom the governments projects will get jobs when the town is fully functional and that is in all sectors that will be part of Konza city.

What skills do you think are lacking in ICT sector because it comprises of so many areas?
Are we also ignoring the fact that if you are providing a product in ICT most of them you have to collaborate with other professionals?


Fine, the city will not start with 200K people but will gradually grow to that number, in otherwords you will have empty buildings waiting to be occupied over a period of time, right?

I have said this before, that the rate with which we are building infrastructure does not at all compare with the rate we are producing talent. I stand to be corrected; most of those people creating apps are self educated in application development, if not they are coming from abroad.

How I wish we were saying that by 2030 we will have a single world standard university, notice the challenge is to have just one globally competitive university by 2030. Did you see that the govt is planning to close down KARI (Kenya Agricultural Research Institute)? This in a country whose economy is more than half supported by Agriculture, my friend we needs to get real and serious.

-->What skills do you think are lacking in ICT sector because it comprises of so many areas?I think all manner of skills are lacking. Remember I'm looking at the national level, not 200 - 300 people sitting in a building developing apps.

On the other hand, can you please enlighten me and name for me the skills Kenya has in ICT in the various areas?


@eboomerang for starters konza will be phased the idea of empty building is neither here nor there!

So what is your basis for your conclusion that there are not ICT skills in kenya if you need enlightening on the various ICT skill areas??
if you think all people do is develop apps then you got it all wrong!
murchr
#174 Posted : Friday, April 13, 2012 6:07:38 PM
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The last time MPESA was down, we were told its datacenter is in Germany and its the one that went off....are these not jobs that have been exported? Again, if i create an app that will be implemented on a large scale, will i not need engineers to make it better? Will i not need trainers? Will i not need support guys for maintenance, will i not need a platform where the app will run on? How many jobs are these?

ICT is not just about apps....Use google well and find out more
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#175 Posted : Friday, April 13, 2012 9:04:44 PM
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i have been reading what you guys are saying and am thinking maybe @a4architect.com should be on that bench instead of those government officials giving all sorts of stories
madhaquer
#176 Posted : Friday, April 13, 2012 9:10:15 PM
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@murchr I agree ICT is not just about apps. But alot of decisions affecting ICT are not necessarily ICt related.
Political, self interested decisions like Konza affect ict directly.

Can any Wazuan who understands the motivation behind Konza convince me why a company like Samsung or HP would set up shop in Konza and not in the several other global alternatives they have.
ICT grows locally then the multinationals and the big boys follow, and that is the case for all innovative things, disruptive economics are marshaled by startups and the big players catch up through m&a. Look at ICT in India for example, did Microsoft and SAP preceed the Indian programmer or was the programmer the reason MSFT and SAP set up shop there ?
The same applies to Silicon Valley, it's the environment that makes it possible to find the human capital required and thats why investments flow there.

The govt needs to focus on developing human capital within the ICT discipline and leave the rest to the private sector. Paternalistic government activity is a hotbed for corruption and socialist idealism that never materializes. We don't need that! let the govt facilitate, we will innovate.
murchr
#177 Posted : Friday, April 13, 2012 9:28:48 PM
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madhaquer wrote:
@murchr I agree ICT is not just about apps. But alot of decisions affecting ICT are not necessarily ICt related.
Political, self interested decisions like Konza affect ict directly.

Can any Wazuan who understands the motivation behind Konza convince me why a company like Samsung or HP would set up shop in Konza and not in the several other global alternatives they have.
ICT grows locally then the multinationals and the big boys follow, and that is the case for all innovative things, disruptive economics are marshaled by startups and the big players catch up through m&a. Look at ICT in India for example, did Microsoft and SAP preceed the Indian programmer or was the programmer the reason MSFT and SAP set up shop there ?
The same applies to Silicon Valley, it's the environment that makes it possible to find the human capital required and thats why investments flow there.

The govt needs to focus on developing human capital within the ICT discipline and leave the rest to the private sector. Paternalistic government activity is a hotbed for corruption and socialist idealism that never materializes. We don't need that! let the govt facilitate, we will innovate.


May be you should ask yourself would Google, microsoft, IBM etc be in Kenya if they believe that the country doesnt have the required manpower?
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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wesley owiti
#178 Posted : Friday, April 13, 2012 9:40:40 PM
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Konza city in my view should be owned by Kenyans, that is in terms of the vision and mission,other people should just come in later. Most Kenyans should be in position to explain what Konza is all about. The world has discovered Africa and companies are coming here in droves...why are they coming? Its a rhetoric question. Maybe we need to wake up and support each other to success. Check out a marketers perspective on Konza..http://amwesthemarketer.blogspot.com/2012/03/konza-city-marketers-proposal.html
muthoniruth
#179 Posted : Friday, April 13, 2012 10:12:40 PM
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In very layman's language my thinking is that apart from the City being an ICT hub, other things that make it sell are:

It will be a fully planned City therefore there shall be something called order and anyone would like to live work and enjoy life where there is order

It shall have all other facilities and activities going on, just like any other city, like schools, living quarters, offices, recreational amenities, etc.

You cannot ignore the insatiable urge for real estate development so I do not understand why ple have a problem with the city's real estate aspect.

I keep wondering, why is it that the young ple in Kenya are very quick to criticize any proposed good thing? Instead, since the idea is all good, why dont we use the negative critical energy to offer ideas on how to improve the city rather than shoot it down.
All these beautiful plans for the country are meant to benefit us and our children, we need to give support to the projects rather than criticize them, if one project fails, then too bad, if it succeeds then we stand to benefit.

eboomerang
#180 Posted : Saturday, April 14, 2012 12:35:44 AM
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murchr wrote:
madhaquer wrote:
@murchr I agree ICT is not just about apps. But alot of decisions affecting ICT are not necessarily ICt related.
Political, self interested decisions like Konza affect ict directly.

Can any Wazuan who understands the motivation behind Konza convince me why a company like Samsung or HP would set up shop in Konza and not in the several other global alternatives they have.
ICT grows locally then the multinationals and the big boys follow, and that is the case for all innovative things, disruptive economics are marshaled by startups and the big players catch up through m&a. Look at ICT in India for example, did Microsoft and SAP preceed the Indian programmer or was the programmer the reason MSFT and SAP set up shop there ?
The same applies to Silicon Valley, it's the environment that makes it possible to find the human capital required and thats why investments flow there.

The govt needs to focus on developing human capital within the ICT discipline and leave the rest to the private sector. Paternalistic government activity is a hotbed for corruption and socialist idealism that never materializes. We don't need that! let the govt facilitate, we will innovate.


May be you should ask yourself would Google, microsoft, IBM etc be in Kenya if they believe that the country doesnt have the required manpower?

There is a difference between selling products and creating products.

Most of those companies are here to sell their solutions but none of their products are designed and produced in Kenya.

You have heard even from MJ himself that MPesa (what is usually mentioned as the epitome of Kenyan innovation) was not invented in Kenya, but it has been sold/licensed to Safaricom.
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