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Gathige
#1701 Posted : Tuesday, October 20, 2020 8:29:45 AM
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wukan wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Gathige wrote:
[quote=madollar]Laughing out loudly This looks like the group that juzi refused to endorse peter kenneth for president but gave him the title of cultural ambassador

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So BABA meet some Bonoko Elders? Anything is possible this season.

Kikuyus know that they don't have council of elders or kings... Don't even assume his/her father has influence on how they will vote - talk to each Kikuyu on their own.


Very true. Agikuyu never had centralized leadership.


The lack of centralized leadership is more informed by the socio-political circumstances that prevailed at that time. Kikuyus had been ass whooped by the pastoralists Galla and Maasai tribes forcing them into a defensive posture in the ridges and forests of the highlands.

Kikuyu society was in a state of flux and lacked territorial stability which hindered the development of more sophisticated political organization with a bureaucracy like the Baganda. The constant search for new land which could be protected is what brought about the loose organization where people lived ridge to ridge and there was not much need for centralized leadership.

But as the kikuyu society has become more sophisticated the need for centralized leadership emerged to negotiate with other tribes for peaceful settlement in the Rift valley and political stability in urban areas with Western/Luo Nyanza. More or less Uhuru is acting like the first King of the Kikuyu. In 2022 kikuyus will hand over power to people who will safeguard the varied interests in urban areas and rift valley.





Quite an interesting perspective. Sounds more like the Kikuyus were so much engaged in tiling the land in the ridges and forests and had little time left to gather at "mungetho".
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Queen
#1702 Posted : Tuesday, October 20, 2020 4:52:02 PM
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Location: Britain
Gathige wrote:
wukan wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Gathige wrote:
[quote=madollar]Laughing out loudly This looks like the group that juzi refused to endorse peter kenneth for president but gave him the title of cultural ambassador

[/quo


So BABA meet some Bonoko Elders? Anything is possible this season.

Kikuyus know that they don't have council of elders or kings... Don't even assume his/her father has influence on how they will vote - talk to each Kikuyu on their own.


Very true. Agikuyu never had centralized leadership.


The lack of centralized leadership is more informed by the socio-political circumstances that prevailed at that time. Kikuyus had been ass whooped by the pastoralists Galla and Maasai tribes forcing them into a defensive posture in the ridges and forests of the highlands.

Kikuyu society was in a state of flux and lacked territorial stability which hindered the development of more sophisticated political organization with a bureaucracy like the Baganda. The constant search for new land which could be protected is what brought about the loose organization where people lived ridge to ridge and there was not much need for centralized leadership.

But as the kikuyu society has become more sophisticated the need for centralized leadership emerged to negotiate with other tribes for peaceful settlement in the Rift valley and political stability in urban areas with Western/Luo Nyanza. More or less Uhuru is acting like the first King of the Kikuyu. In 2022 kikuyus will hand over power to people who will safeguard the varied interests in urban areas and rift valley.





Quite an interesting perspective. Sounds more like the Kikuyus were so much engaged in tiling the land in the ridges and forests and had little time left to gather at "mungetho".


..... no wonder they were sat on by Wangu wa Makeri.
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kaka2za
#1703 Posted : Tuesday, October 20, 2020 8:30:37 PM
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Queen wrote:
Gathige wrote:
wukan wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Gathige wrote:
[quote=madollar]Laughing out loudly This looks like the group that juzi refused to endorse peter kenneth for president but gave him the title of cultural ambassador

[/quo


So BABA meet some Bonoko Elders? Anything is possible this season.

Kikuyus know that they don't have council of elders or kings... Don't even assume his/her father has influence on how they will vote - talk to each Kikuyu on their own.


Very true. Agikuyu never had centralized leadership.


The lack of centralized leadership is more informed by the socio-political circumstances that prevailed at that time. Kikuyus had been ass whooped by the pastoralists Galla and Maasai tribes forcing them into a defensive posture in the ridges and forests of the highlands.

Kikuyu society was in a state of flux and lacked territorial stability which hindered the development of more sophisticated political organization with a bureaucracy like the Baganda. The constant search for new land which could be protected is what brought about the loose organization where people lived ridge to ridge and there was not much need for centralized leadership.

But as the kikuyu society has become more sophisticated the need for centralized leadership emerged to negotiate with other tribes for peaceful settlement in the Rift valley and political stability in urban areas with Western/Luo Nyanza. More or less Uhuru is acting like the first King of the Kikuyu. In 2022 kikuyus will hand over power to people who will safeguard the varied interests in urban areas and rift valley.





Quite an interesting perspective. Sounds more like the Kikuyus were so much engaged in tiling the land in the ridges and forests and had little time left to gather at "mungetho".


..... no wonder they were sat on by Wangu wa Makeri.



Wangu was just a colonial headman and she sold her soul to Karuri wa Gakure to get the title
Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
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alma1
#1704 Posted : Tuesday, October 20, 2020 10:16:19 PM
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why are people still bothered about this fella.

We have another 2 years to go before it's relevant.

For now Uhuru is our problem. Hii Hujuma namba we have to discuss.
Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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murchr
#1705 Posted : Wednesday, October 21, 2020 3:50:40 PM
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alma1 wrote:
why are people still bothered about this fella.

We have another 2 years to go before it's relevant.

For now Uhuru is our problem. Hii Hujuma namba we have to discuss.



Which 2 years? 2021 is here already
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Thitifini
#1706 Posted : Wednesday, October 21, 2020 8:47:17 PM
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Posts: 681
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alma1 wrote:
why are people still bothered about this fella.

We have another 2 years to go before it's relevant.

For now Uhuru is our problem. Hii Hujuma namba we have to discuss.


What can we discuss after the cash has already reached it's destination? Unless we review the digital driving licence cash before it's airlifted.

But again,what to do after the review/discussion?

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Thitifini
#1707 Posted : Wednesday, October 21, 2020 8:50:08 PM
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Posts: 681
Location: Kenya
kaka2za wrote:
Queen wrote:
Gathige wrote:
wukan wrote:
kaka2za wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Gathige wrote:
[quote=madollar]Laughing out loudly This looks like the group that juzi refused to endorse peter kenneth for president but gave him the title of cultural ambassador

[/quo


So BABA meet some Bonoko Elders? Anything is possible this season.

Kikuyus know that they don't have council of elders or kings... Don't even assume his/her father has influence on how they will vote - talk to each Kikuyu on their own.


Very true. Agikuyu never had centralized leadership.


The lack of centralized leadership is more informed by the socio-political circumstances that prevailed at that time. Kikuyus had been ass whooped by the pastoralists Galla and Maasai tribes forcing them into a defensive posture in the ridges and forests of the highlands.

Kikuyu society was in a state of flux and lacked territorial stability which hindered the development of more sophisticated political organization with a bureaucracy like the Baganda. The constant search for new land which could be protected is what brought about the loose organization where people lived ridge to ridge and there was not much need for centralized leadership.

But as the kikuyu society has become more sophisticated the need for centralized leadership emerged to negotiate with other tribes for peaceful settlement in the Rift valley and political stability in urban areas with Western/Luo Nyanza. More or less Uhuru is acting like the first King of the Kikuyu. In 2022 kikuyus will hand over power to people who will safeguard the varied interests in urban areas and rift valley.





Quite an interesting perspective. Sounds more like the Kikuyus were so much engaged in tiling the land in the ridges and forests and had little time left to gather at "mungetho".


..... no wonder they were sat on by Wangu wa Makeri.



Wangu was just a colonial headman and she sold her soul to Karuri wa Gakure to get the title

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murchr
#1708 Posted : Wednesday, October 21, 2020 10:51:01 PM
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Who's ready for 90 Senators?
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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KulaRaha
#1709 Posted : Thursday, October 22, 2020 8:45:04 AM
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murchr wrote:
Who's ready for 90 Senators?


As 454 worthless MPigs.....Kenya is doomed!
Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
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gk
#1710 Posted : Thursday, October 22, 2020 9:31:25 AM
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KulaRaha wrote:
murchr wrote:
Who's ready for 90 Senators?


As 454 worthless MPigs.....Kenya is doomed!



We are we so in love with quick fixes and making solutions to past problems yet they may not necessarily be our problems in future.
The problem we have is not under representation but poor representation and the biggest challenge to devolution is not lack of funds but theft and wastage.
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