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Thika Road Expansion was a Mistake
maka
#161 Posted : Monday, February 04, 2013 5:13:02 PM
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Marty wrote:
mkeiyd wrote:
When Jews were brought from Egypt and they'd no water in the wilderness,they started complaining to Moses saying following him was a mistake.
Binadamu hana shukrani kamwe!


Yep. I am a user of this road and I tel you that the kidogo jama we are experiencing at the moment cannot remotely compare to pre China Thika road. Of course the last few days have been crazy expecially when they were doing the foot bridge at Pangani.

..but I think with the growing population we really need to explore other forms of transport thats the only way out of this mess.
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poundfoolish
#162 Posted : Monday, February 04, 2013 6:28:08 PM
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maka wrote:
Marty wrote:
mkeiyd wrote:
When Jews were brought from Egypt and they'd no water in the wilderness,they started complaining to Moses saying following him was a mistake.
Binadamu hana shukrani kamwe!


Yep. I am a user of this road and I tel you that the kidogo jama we are experiencing at the moment cannot remotely compare to pre China Thika road. Of course the last few days have been crazy expecially when they were doing the foot bridge at Pangani.

..but I think with the growing population we really need to explore other forms of transport thats the only way out of this mess.


No where in the world has expansion of roads reduced traffic congestion..
I was taught this from an archaic course outline.. from countries that have tried and tested..
but yet still in Kenya we are tackling only one aspect of the whole trasport ecosystem..

As with Thika road..Me thinks the Pangani Interchange.. which was the key point.. is screwed up already by design..
The number of pple who have moved up to live along Thika Rd. has increased exponentially and still will..
The road is only 30% effective.. in 5 years it will be as useless.. UNLESS the other trasport factors are rolled out
simonkabz
#163 Posted : Monday, February 04, 2013 7:36:58 PM
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maka wrote:
quicksand wrote:
ChessMaster wrote:
If it is this bad with the expansion,how much worse would it have been without it?


There is a bigger picture here. The expansion eased traffic on Thika Road, suddenly making that side of town attractive for residence. Hordes of people moved across, easing congestion in other parts of Nairobi, lowering rents even (or ensuring they held as opposed to the steady march upwards previously - where I live there are 5 vacant apartments with no eager takers). This is what many pundits are unable to see. A few expansions like these on all major arteries into and from Nairobi and things will be swell, but it will take time, planning and money

...I agree with you @quicksand let other areas also be opened up so that the pressure isnt on only one side of the city,atleast they are doing the bomas,karen,langata road junction that will definetly help a bit when its over come May...now imagine if we dint have the age limit rule for rides in this country,traffic would have been HELL...@mukiha who originated this thread 3years back was right after all


mukiha was wrong. Dead wrong. We need both road n rail, but first, road. I would advocate for a wholesome investment in transport infrastructure, not just railways. It should be a multi-pronged approach. Thika road was not a mistake, we had suffered enough. Now we must invest in other major arteries that feed into/out of the city, fully embrace overhead roads n bridges. I still wonder how outer ring n juja roads can still be narrow, filthy 2way roads full of potholes with all the traffic they convey. . Lets do the most obvious first, the basics. ......fix the damn roads. The issue of railways is a lingala song that ends with everybody collapsing. .... long n tedious. Its true, that the most developed nations owe their success to extensive railway networks. Maybe we Africans are allergic to rail.
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poundfoolish
#164 Posted : Monday, February 04, 2013 7:46:36 PM
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You see outerring road...? Years ago it was what we now call the Easyern bypass... a smooth sail to the airport... so now we can do some maths and figure out how long before Kamakis is just another kiamaiko... we need an ecosystem.. not just good roads
ChumsQuest
#165 Posted : Tuesday, February 05, 2013 6:15:20 AM
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mukiha wrote:
@yekeyeke;
Cool down bro/sis. The problem with insults is that they tend to cover the good points. And you do have some good points...

The people of Thika road can ride in Trains if the carriages are comfortable, clean and run on a reliable timetable. In fact, the trains don't have to be the "High Speed" kind in order to "out-run" the dilapidated Matatus that the people use. Don't forget that there are no traffic jams on the railway line - cars must stop to let the train pass.

Yes; I have ridden in a comfortable train. This was the "InterCity 125" of the UK way back in the 1980s. It had two claases [1st for the rich and 2nd for the common Mwananchi]. If you do go to the UK, try it... these days the call it "Class 43"

No; I do not feel that the bypass money should have been spent elsewhere.

No; I did not study economics in school at any level. However, I do know that the phrase "transport infrastructure" includes railways, airports etc. Oh; and roads as well!!

Amongst all these, roads are the most inefficient mode of mass-transportation of goods and people.


I agree with you Mukiha. No need for insults. Kila mtu has the right kutoa maoni yake and then we can discuss it. It's part of the Wazuan spirit...
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#166 Posted : Tuesday, February 05, 2013 7:24:58 AM
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#167 Posted : Tuesday, February 05, 2013 9:27:33 AM
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@Mukiha was right and wrong. The developed countries that have turned to rail transport for mass movements happen to have roads with as many as 12 lanes each way to compliment the rail transport.

Thika road was a damn good idea, what we need are similar developments to open up Mombasa road, Langata road and Nakuru Naivasha road.

We also need significant redevelopment of the roads in the city centre coz as it is now, Thika road pours tons of traffic into dilapidated city roads that have no way of handling them, case in point the Uhuru Highway at university Round about.

27B spent in 5 years from a 1.2 trillion budget a year is nothing.
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mukiha
#168 Posted : Tuesday, February 05, 2013 10:41:22 AM
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Perhaps we should bury this thread for another three years and see what the situation will be...
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digitek1
#169 Posted : Tuesday, February 05, 2013 11:59:55 AM
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Mkimwa wrote:
Bottleneck is at Pangani.

3. Current exit/entry from highway to/from park road should be made into an entry only.. Build an exit point some 100m away from that junction so that guys can use Desai road instead of park road.

Park road is being upgraded as part of the missing link roads. Soon mats will be able to access tearoom without passing via globe
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Agra
#170 Posted : Tuesday, February 05, 2013 3:36:57 PM
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I agree with Mukiha on railway system India's populous cities are powered by railway lines which helps millions of people in satellite town access the city daily.
The Bypass was very important i terms of opening up areas for housing and transport so they are important,
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