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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/24/2008 Posts: 781
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speculation is necessary for most investors to dissipate excessive energies which left unchecked can ruin your overall performance...its just like scratching an itch.just dont let it be your main focus. The utimate goal of investing is to buy low sell high;if we re-write this core equation in psychology terms it becomes buy fear sell greed.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/25/2009 Posts: 4,534 Location: Windhoek/Nairobbery
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@Stockmaster is the master of entry's n exits...never question this guy when he exits a counter...
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/26/2006 Posts: 410 Location: CENTRAL PROVINCE
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ACTIVITY 14: PURCHASE OF DIAMOND TRUST BANK 2000 SHARES @ KSH 118 DATE: 13/10/10
COST OF TRANSACTION=KSH 236,000 ADD 2% TRANSACTION COST = KSH 4700 TOTAL COST OF ACTIVITY 14 = KSH 240,700
RATIONALE OF PURCHASE This counter has alot of upside potential if the half year results are used as a yard stick. Despite a poor dividend yield, the growth is fantastic. The Q3 results will paint a clearer picture but in the short term, a price of 145 (Trailing P/E of about 18 based on at least a 70% Y-O-Y growth for 2010)
I am still looking to increase my holding in DTB today although the supply of the share is constrained.
Happy hunting.
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/26/2006 Posts: 410 Location: CENTRAL PROVINCE
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ACTIVITY 15: PURCHASE OF 2200 DTB SHARES AT KSH 119 PER SHARE. DATE:14TH OCT. 2010
COST OF TRANSACTION:KSH 261,800 ADD 2% TRANSACTION COST: KSH 5200 TOTAL COST OF TRANSACTION:KSH 267,000
SUMMARY OF PORTFOLIO AFTER ACTIVITY 15: 4200 DTB SHARES 2111 SCBK SHARES CASH IN HAND:KSH 5645
Supply of the DTBK shares today picked up and hence was able to pick up some more. As earlier stated, the bank should easily post 100% growth for the Q3 2010 compared to last years' Q3.
Happy hunting.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 3/24/2010 Posts: 6,779 Location: Black Africa
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It is DTB that will eventually drive you past the inevitable mark of 100% return for the year GOD BLESS YOUR LIFE
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/16/2009 Posts: 994
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@ Stocksmaster, Wao!! seems we are holding DTB together!!! Kudos. The only difference between my porfolion and yours is that instead of SCB I have Equity. I see banks being the king this year. I will keep whatever I have till Mar next year when full year results are out. Time is money, so money is time. Money saved is time gained in reverse! Money stores your life’s energy. You expend your energy, get paid money, and store that money for a future purchase made in a currency.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/11/2010 Posts: 1,011 Location: nairobi
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me too i have diamond and equity
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/2/2008 Posts: 1,438
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@Stockmaster. I am glad to see you have picked up DTB. I hold some in my long-term portfolio which I bought prior to their last rights issue.
So far I would say DTB has been a dissapointment in terms of share price growth relative to other counters that I have held during the same period.
This has not been to do with the performance of the bank which has been stellar. Somehow, NSE players have never really taken a liking for the counter.
As a matter of fact, I was thinking of exiting the counter. I hold too many banks in any case.
I was going to put in all proceeds from DTB into Jubilee until first half results came through with over 100% profit growth. For the moment I continue to hold it, but I will be surprised if the 100% profit growth is repeated in Q3. Please note that most of the increase in H1 came from bond trading.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,121 Location: Nairobi
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DTB, Jubilee & TPSEA have great management... Nation is also OK but the newspapers' quality is lousy! Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/17/2009 Posts: 194
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As far as I am concerned Jubilee is the real gem. They have a stake in all the others and in a lot more.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/2/2008 Posts: 1,438
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Amen to that. If the bull continues into next year, Jubilee will be up there with the best of them.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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mwanahisa wrote:Amen to that. If the bull continues into next year, Jubilee will be up there with the best of them. true dat Mark 12:29 Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2007 Posts: 2,037 Location: Lagos, Nigeria
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2011 the year of jubilee insurance hakuna matata The wazua spirit as members is to educate and inform and learn from others within the limit of what we know in any chosen area irrespective of our differences in tribes, nationalities, etc. .
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/10/2007 Posts: 1,587
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stocksmaster wrote:ACTIVITY 15: PURCHASE OF 2200 DTB SHARES AT KSH 119 PER SHARE. DATE:14TH OCT. 2010
COST OF TRANSACTION:KSH 261,800 ADD 2% TRANSACTION COST: KSH 5200 TOTAL COST OF TRANSACTION:KSH 267,000
SUMMARY OF PORTFOLIO AFTER ACTIVITY 15: 4200 DTB SHARES 2111 SCBK SHARES CASH IN HAND:KSH 5645
Supply of the DTBK shares today picked up and hence was able to pick up some more. As earlier stated, the bank should easily post 100% growth for the Q3 2010 compared to last years' Q3.
Happy hunting. Stockmaster, with your stock picking skills, you should have picked a couple of stocks. Since you are in the banking sector now, I would have picked half CFC half DTB. Both will give good returns in say 3 months, but I will bet on CFC for higher returns.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/10/2007 Posts: 1,587
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VituVingiSana wrote:DTB, Jubilee & TPSEA have great management... Nation is also OK but the newspapers' quality is lousy! Lately DTB and CFC have been moving huge volumes. This is uncharacteristic of these stocks! what is on the way?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/2/2008 Posts: 1,438
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@PKoli. What is your rationale for preferring CFC over DTB? DTB seems to have better fundamentals or are you basing it on observed market behaviour? Ama it is the listing of CFC Ins Holdings?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/10/2007 Posts: 1,587
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mwanahisa wrote:@PKoli. What is your rationale for preferring CFC over DTB? DTB seems to have better fundamentals or are you basing it on observed market behaviour? Ama it is the listing of CFC Ins Holdings? During the merger, the Bank alone was not able to get its correct pricing. It should move to its correct pricing relative to its peers. That way, it should be trading at over 240, when you add other minor components like the insurance, it should trade at a range of 160 or thereabouts. Obviously, if it does not behave like KCB which has one of the lowest returns on its assets. CFC has been aggressive and with the new management headed by the guy who grew Stanbic Ug, we should see some reasonable upsurge.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/2/2008 Posts: 1,438
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PKoli wrote:mwanahisa wrote:@PKoli. What is your rationale for preferring CFC over DTB? DTB seems to have better fundamentals or are you basing it on observed market behaviour? Ama it is the listing of CFC Ins Holdings? During the merger, the Bank alone was not able to get its correct pricing. It should move to its correct pricing relative to its peers. That way, it should be trading at over 240, when you add other minor components like the insurance, it should trade at a range of 160 or thereabouts. Obviously, if it does not behave like KCB which has one of the lowest returns on its assets. CFC has been aggressive and with the new management headed by the guy who grew Stanbic Ug, we should see some reasonable upsurge. Pkoli. Even if the deal has not come through, it appears that you are already enjoying stuff from your own cache. Read your post above again - the whole is much less than the sum of the parts. 240 against 160!!! I have my reservations about CFC Stanbic. The bank made Kshs 725,270,000 PAT in H1. Total H1 for the Group was Kshs 677,962,000 PAT. This equates to EPS of 2.65 and 2.48 respectively. Insurance, Financial Services and/or the overheads at CFC Stanbic Holdings apparently ate into some of the bank's profits. I raised this in a posting but I never got a satisfactory answer why and/or how come. With the above figures, I say that CFC needs to grow its earnings by a big margin to get to the pricing level you have indicated i.e. 160. We know that Standard Bank bought into CFC Group at between 100-120. But it was at the height of the bull market and in retrospect it looks like they were shafted. Contrast this with DTB. H1 2010 PAT stood at Kshs 1,160,851,000. EPS of Kshs 7.12. Remember DTB is all over East Africa as well and growing its footprint day by day. On this one, I think you have it wrong unless you are reckoning that folks will want to speculate more on CFC Stanbic. On fundamentals, DTB is far superior.Now let me go get myself something akin to the deal's Windhoek.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,121 Location: Nairobi
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mwanahisa wrote:We know that Standard Bank bought into CFC Group at between 100-120. But it was at the height of the bull market and in retrospect it looks like they were shafted. Stanbic was not shafted. They shafted us the CFC shareholders! They took a bank that had a solid clientele & scared them away to I&M Bank, NIC Bank, Prime Bank, CBA, Chase Bank, DTB, etc [Mid-market banks]... High Net Worth & mid-sized firm have their own needs/requirements... You slight them & they will leave since these are RELATIONSHIPS... At CFC there were relationships as folks moved up the ladder... The Stanbic way was different... Every 3 months a new face! Bullshit! Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/16/2009 Posts: 994
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@ vvs, You are very right about the high staff turnover in the new outfit. I interact with them both as a customer and through my employer. As far as Iam concerned at a personal level, I will keep them. However from my employer perspective, we have lost track of the different account relationship managers we keep being assigned to after the previous ones left. And like you can guess the relationship is no longer as cusomized as it used to be with the good old CFC. Time is money, so money is time. Money saved is time gained in reverse! Money stores your life’s energy. You expend your energy, get paid money, and store that money for a future purchase made in a currency.
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