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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/20/2007 Posts: 4,432
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Like I said, I have no problem whatsoever with that sacco being shut down. Obviously by not bringing this matatu crew which they knew, they are part of the problem If they also saw it fit to put themselves in Saccos as Bigchick has said, then let them suffer for their stupidity and greed. Who doesn't know matatu saccos were created to fleece any new entrants into that business. But I have a worry about letting gov't act like this when they feel like. I had said that they will likely be on the roads on Tuesday. I was wrong. They are there today. Corruption in this country and the law are very interesting things to watch. They just told lady Waiguru to stick it. Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/17/2013 Posts: 4,693 Location: Earth
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What is wrong with the people of kenya. We are strange in a bad way ,it's scary.
We have got multiple problems compounding us yet we go out of our way to create more societal probs than we can handle.
And we spend weeks as a country discussing fellows who have nothing better to do with their minds.
If cops had acted swiftly and dealt with the first incident mercilesly we wouldnt be here 3 wks later discussing the githurai one as a matter of national concern alongside terrorism and insecurity.
I mean it's a BIG shame for prezzo to discuss stripping of women by touts with the world watching when he has security team in place.They are sleeping on,job- that's the problem.
It's a jungle in here where extreme action is taken based not on the severity of the crime but on the hullabaloo it creates.
Be your own cop.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Can punishment alone deter crime? I doubt it. Punishment needs to be in a context in which the opportunity cost for a crime is high, and education and even re-education is active and effective.
So far, in Kenya the opportunity cost for crime seems to be lowering by the day, and education and re-education is chaotic. Apparently this is due to what @alma is calling 'pure capitalism'.
It's okay to expect government to protect the citizens, but how can the citizen know and even ensure that the government is enlightened? So far, going by the sentiments here and elsewhere the citizen doesn't seem to care.
'The government should just do something', mass man says.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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One other concern is what the anti-stripping squad will be doing in their free time. The squad is armed, with a vague mandate and lose command. Stripping a person in public is a spontaneous mob event that takes two minutes max and the mob disperses. This calls for an investigative approach rather than a rapid armed/ forceful response to bring the perpetrators to book. These guys will go around shooting men alafu hakuna aja ya kuwekelewa bonoko sababu bonoko tayari unayo. Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 1,982 Location: matano manne
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Bigchick wrote:@Alma,the companies act is limiting to the operations of a matatu operators more so the savings and credit part as well as governance hence their registration under the cooperatives act. @sparkly, more heat and no light in your good words and theories. Reality check: this is Nairobi matatu industry. without such drastic action there wouldn't be any change in behaviour in the matatu industry. It's not collective punishment but firmness in regulatory compliance. The licensing connotes agreement to certain standards of behaviour which harassment is not one of them thuggery must be condemned and discouraged by whatever means necessary.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/17/2012 Posts: 1,461 Location: Ngong Forest
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Welcome our new CS Internal Security!
Since one AP Policeman was also involved, I suggest you ban the whole AP force for 14 Days, ili iwe funzo kwa AP wengine wenye nia kama yake and also ban further the gang he said he belongs to!
Karibu
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/17/2013 Posts: 4,693 Location: Earth
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Just thinking.
If you survive rape or sexual molestation as a child in kenya ,you'd probably get stripped or molested in teenage and if you survive that, some bugger will rape you when you are 89yrs old.If you survive that, I hear that even death is no saviour.
And after you are long buried your animals will suffer the same fate
Kenya yetu hakuna matata.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Meanwhile, as 'Kenyans' take on the path of splitting their personalities, their role models in America are coming to terms, I bet very slowly, with their civic impotence http://mobile.nytimes.co...ding-movement.html?_r=0
And in Egypt, http://m.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-30258537
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/19/2011 Posts: 1,694
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Quote:Stripping of women is part of sexual aggression that also includes rape and gender-based violence. All these barbaric acts are meant to intimidate women and make them feel inferior. They are the greatest violation of human rights tolerated by society. In that vulnerable position, inadequate men feel secure and reassured that they are still the better ones after all. -Joachim Osur Technical Director, Reproductive and Child Health AMREF HEADQUARTERS
“People will believe a big lie sooner than a little one, and if you repeat it frequently enough, people will sooner or later believe it.” ― Walter C. Langer
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Kratos wrote:Quote:Stripping of women is part of sexual aggression that also includes rape and gender-based violence. All these barbaric acts are meant to intimidate women and make them feel inferior. They are the greatest violation of human rights tolerated by society. In that vulnerable position, inadequate men feel secure and reassured that they are still the better ones after all. -Joachim Osur Technical Director, Reproductive and Child Health AMREF HEADQUARTERS Is there a standard that can be used to guide us in prescribing and facilitating relationships between men and women? On what do these standards, if they exist, depend on?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/19/2010 Posts: 1,308 Location: nairobi metropolitan
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I had to comment on this. Two wrongs don't make a right. You can't punish the whole sacco because of the crimes of a few. At this rate, we might very soon start punishing communities or families for the crimes of a few individuals . This is utter disrespect to the rule of law, or rather abuse of power . It makes things worse. To me there's nothing that separates the one who makes others suffer by abusing his/her powers and the strippers. Democracy does not belong to the dead
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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sparkly wrote:One other concern is what the anti-stripping squad will be doing in their free time. The squad is armed, with a vague mandate and lose command.
Stripping a person in public is a spontaneous mob event that takes two minutes max and the mob disperses. This calls for an investigative approach rather than a rapid armed/ forceful response to bring the perpetrators to book.
These guys will go around shooting men alafu hakuna aja ya kuwekelewa bonoko sababu bonoko tayari unayo.
Valid questions, but allow me to  '...bonoko tayari unayo'! Bonoko ni gani? The lustful eyes? Ama touchy fingers? Ama...?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/2/2011 Posts: 4,818 Location: -1.2107, 36.8831
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Receive with simplicity everything that happens to you.” ― Rashi
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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Bribes to be collected. Its no longer about the stripping of a woman. Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/17/2013 Posts: 4,693 Location: Earth
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The pain and humiliation suffered by the victims can never be replaced and we are talking about financial loss. really?
Why didnt the saccos owners facilitate the arrest of the thugs on time ?
Let them take their rogue crew for customer service lessons before they are recruited. MM does it.
Umoinner walinyoroshwa and the owners became strict. Last time I heard? They are still in,business infact bigger.
Why belong to a sacco if you can't account for your members behaviour?
If and God forbid, say one mizizi mat pulls an immoinner stunt will they disown that particular bus and the driver?
Cruel Mob justice we applaud and Mob support we cherish.
But how we hate it when Mob Order is applied.
Oh I need a mug of cuban coffee.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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kysse wrote:The pain and humiliation suffered by the victims can never be replaced and we are talking about financial loss. really?
Why didnt the saccos owners facilitate the arrest of the thugs on time ?
Let them take their rogue crew for customer service lessons before they are recruited. MM does it.
Umoinner walinyoroshwa and the owners became strict. Last time I heard? They are still in,business infact bigger.
Why belong to a sacco if you can't account for your members behaviour?
If and God forbid, say one mizizi mat pulls an immoinner stunt will they disown that particular bus and the driver?
Cruel Mob justice we applaud and Mob support we cherish.
But how we hate it when Mob Order is applied.
Oh I need a mug of cuban coffee.
This writter nails it. Our govt is busy policing kenyans instead of protecting them. m.aljazeera.com/story/2014112611133158224 Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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kysse wrote:The pain and humiliation suffered by the victims can never be replaced and we are talking about financial loss. really?
Why didnt the saccos owners facilitate the arrest of the thugs on time ?
Let them take their rogue crew for customer service lessons before they are recruited. MM does it.
Umoinner walinyoroshwa and the owners became strict. Last time I heard? They are still in,business infact bigger.
Why belong to a sacco if you can't account for your members behaviour?
If and God forbid, say one mizizi mat pulls an immoinner stunt will they disown that particular bus and the driver?
Cruel Mob justice we applaud and Mob support we cherish.
But how we hate it when Mob Order is applied.
Oh I need a shot from Swenani
Karibu Mbaimbe If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/31/2009 Posts: 743
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Swenani wrote:kysse wrote:The pain and humiliation suffered by the victims can never be replaced and we are talking about financial loss. really?
Why didnt the saccos owners facilitate the arrest of the thugs on time ?
Let them take their rogue crew for customer service lessons before they are recruited. MM does it.
Umoinner walinyoroshwa and the owners became strict. Last time I heard? They are still in,business infact bigger.
Why belong to a sacco if you can't account for your members behaviour?
If and God forbid, say one mizizi mat pulls an immoinner stunt will they disown that particular bus and the driver?
Cruel Mob justice we applaud and Mob support we cherish.
But how we hate it when Mob Order is applied.
Oh I need a shot from Swenani
Karibu Mbaimbe  no you did not
Problems can get out of proportion, and not only in the wee small hours. Don't let the problems eclipse the Master. Let the Master eclipse the problems.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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Sanity restored. High Court has lifted the suspension of the Sacco and confirmed suspension of the MATATU in which the lady was stripped. Two abuses do not amount to justice. Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/17/2010 Posts: 572
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FancyFace wrote:Swenani wrote:kysse wrote:The pain and humiliation suffered by the victims can never be replaced and we are talking about financial loss. really?
Why didnt the saccos owners facilitate the arrest of the thugs on time ?
Let them take their rogue crew for customer service lessons before they are recruited. MM does it.
Umoinner walinyoroshwa and the owners became strict. Last time I heard? They are still in,business infact bigger.
Why belong to a sacco if you can't account for your members behaviour?
If and God forbid, say one mizizi mat pulls an immoinner stunt will they disown that particular bus and the driver?
Cruel Mob justice we applaud and Mob support we cherish.
But how we hate it when Mob Order is applied.
Oh I need a shot from Swenani
Karibu Mbaimbe no you did not ara!!! 'One headache for famous medieval holy people was that someone might murder you to acquire your body parts for the relics trade'
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