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Elliott Wave Analysis Of The NSE 20
mnandii
#3321 Posted : Wednesday, March 11, 2020 11:43:37 AM
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mnandii
#3322 Posted : Wednesday, March 11, 2020 11:47:57 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
mnandii wrote:
Fundamental analysts and especially macro-economists have been proven over and over never to have the ability to tell when a trend is likely to change. Eg Elliott Wave International (EWI) has been predicting the end of the bull run in the DOW for ages. Now the DOW has started it's long drop down and there's still more downside to come. But you know what fundamentalists are saying right now? They are advising people to buy, that the current drop is simply a correction. Well, many people will make that damn mistake and buy. And they'll lose.

In 2015 I predicted the end of the bull run in NSE 20 Share Index. The very first post in this thread is testament to that. But as always no one listened. The bulls were busy cheering on with the funadmentalists on the leading edge. Well, the index has fallen all the way from over 5000 to now 2300. I don't remember any fundamentalist having the audacity to call all that drop!

Fundamental investors look at fundamentals so when prices go out of whack, they stop/reduce buying or start selling.
I have sold shares/positions in the past when they seemed untenable in light of the prices vs the underlying performance.

BTW, I do not invest in an index but in specific shares/stocks with the top 5 constituting 80%+ and the top 10 would be 95%+.


Please please give Elliott Waves the benefit of doubt? I pray you spare some time and do some reading on it? Maybe even jus subscribe for the Financial Forecast service at EWI for a month? I promise you it will be worth your while.
Conventional thinkers waste time building shelters when they are unnecessary and then have no shelters when they need them the most. Socionomists do the opposite.
Angelica _ann
#3323 Posted : Wednesday, March 11, 2020 11:50:36 AM
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mnandii wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
mnandii wrote:
Fundamental analysts and especially macro-economists have been proven over and over never to have the ability to tell when a trend is likely to change. Eg Elliott Wave International (EWI) has been predicting the end of the bull run in the DOW for ages. Now the DOW has started it's long drop down and there's still more downside to come. But you know what fundamentalists are saying right now? They are advising people to buy, that the current drop is simply a correction. Well, many people will make that damn mistake and buy. And they'll lose.

In 2015 I predicted the end of the bull run in NSE 20 Share Index. The very first post in this thread is testament to that. But as always no one listened. The bulls were busy cheering on with the funadmentalists on the leading edge. Well, the index has fallen all the way from over 5000 to now 2300. I don't remember any fundamentalist having the audacity to call all that drop!

Fundamental investors look at fundamentals so when prices go out of whack, they stop/reduce buying or start selling.
I have sold shares/positions in the past when they seemed untenable in light of the prices vs the underlying performance.

BTW, I do not invest in an index but in specific shares/stocks with the top 5 constituting 80%+ and the top 10 would be 95%+.


Please please give Elliott Waves the benefit of doubt? I pray you spare some time and do some reading on it? Maybe even jus subscribe for the Financial Forecast service at EWI for a month? I promise you it will be worth your while.


My 5 shares have barely flinched compared to the index, and even if they did i wouldn't be worried because they are fundamentally strong. I would actually add more - cash allowing. The days of buying shares because of crown or broker are way past smile smile smile

Disclaimer: I am not doubting Elliott's Wave, i have used it here once in a while courtesy of you and made money, but different people invest for different reasons.
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Receptor
#3324 Posted : Wednesday, March 11, 2020 1:20:30 PM
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mnandii wrote:


...........In 2015 I predicted the end of the bull run in NSE 20 Share Index. The very first post in this thread is testament to that. But as always no one listened. The bulls were busy cheering on with the funadmentalists on the leading edge. Well, the index has fallen all the way from over 5000 to now 2300. I don't remember any fundamentalist having the audacity to call all that drop!


Now since you predicted the end of the bull in 2015, I await for you to predict the beginning of the next bull run in NSE not unless you are telling us that the bull is gone forever never to return.
lochaz-index
#3325 Posted : Wednesday, March 11, 2020 3:37:19 PM
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mnandii wrote:
BAMBURI CEMENT



Bamburi Cement should fall a little further and find a bottom at 55.81, having fallen from a high of 250.00 in three waves.

Once the bottom is established expect a bull run to test the all-time high

Unrelenting sell pressure on this counter. Quite staggering. 50 printed and still heading lower. Looking at the board it appears that it is the turn of small and mid caps in the washer.
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sparkly
#3326 Posted : Wednesday, March 11, 2020 4:20:09 PM
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mnandii wrote:
Fundamental analysts and especially macro-economists have been proven over and over never to have the ability to tell when a trend is likely to change. Eg Elliott Wave International (EWI) has been predicting the end of the bull run in the DOW for ages. Now the DOW has started it's long drop down and there's still more downside to come. But you know what fundamentalists are saying right now? They are advising people to buy, that the current drop is simply a correction. Well, many people will make that damn mistake and buy. And they'll lose.

In 2015 I predicted the end of the bull run in NSE 20 Share Index. The very first post in this thread is testament to that. But as always no one listened. The bulls were busy cheering on with the funadmentalists on the leading edge. Well, the index has fallen all the way from over 5000 to now 2300. I don't remember any fundamentalist having the audacity to call all that drop!


Fundamentalists are happy with the current prices.

Infact the fundamentalists are waiting for the bottom so as to stock up by the truckloads.
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#3327 Posted : Wednesday, March 11, 2020 5:24:54 PM
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mufasa
#3328 Posted : Thursday, March 12, 2020 10:45:30 AM
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@mnandii is this current market a LIFETIME opportunity?

Do it today! Tomorrow is promise to no-one.
mlennyma
#3329 Posted : Thursday, March 12, 2020 10:54:42 AM
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mufasa wrote:
@mnandii is this current market a LIFETIME opportunity?


to buy safcom sub 10
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VituVingiSana
#3330 Posted : Thursday, March 12, 2020 11:27:34 AM
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mnandii wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
mnandii wrote:
Fundamental analysts and especially macro-economists have been proven over and over never to have the ability to tell when a trend is likely to change. Eg Elliott Wave International (EWI) has been predicting the end of the bull run in the DOW for ages. Now the DOW has started it's long drop down and there's still more downside to come. But you know what fundamentalists are saying right now? They are advising people to buy, that the current drop is simply a correction. Well, many people will make that damn mistake and buy. And they'll lose.

In 2015 I predicted the end of the bull run in NSE 20 Share Index. The very first post in this thread is testament to that. But as always no one listened. The bulls were busy cheering on with the funadmentalists on the leading edge. Well, the index has fallen all the way from over 5000 to now 2300. I don't remember any fundamentalist having the audacity to call all that drop!

Fundamental investors look at fundamentals so when prices go out of whack, they stop/reduce buying or start selling.
I have sold shares/positions in the past when they seemed untenable in light of the prices vs the underlying performance.

BTW, I do not invest in an index but in specific shares/stocks with the top 5 constituting 80%+ and the top 10 would be 95%+.


Please please give Elliott Waves the benefit of doubt? I pray you spare some time and do some reading on it? Maybe even jus subscribe for the Financial Forecast service at EWI for a month? I promise you it will be worth your while.
I read your stuff. I will look at it in more detail at some point. Of course, as much as I have bought what I could, I would like to see an upside in the future! Laughing out loudly
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
wukan
#3331 Posted : Thursday, March 12, 2020 11:55:19 AM
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sparkly wrote:
mnandii wrote:
Fundamental analysts and especially macro-economists have been proven over and over never to have the ability to tell when a trend is likely to change. Eg Elliott Wave International (EWI) has been predicting the end of the bull run in the DOW for ages. Now the DOW has started it's long drop down and there's still more downside to come. But you know what fundamentalists are saying right now? They are advising people to buy, that the current drop is simply a correction. Well, many people will make that damn mistake and buy. And they'll lose.

In 2015 I predicted the end of the bull run in NSE 20 Share Index. The very first post in this thread is testament to that. But as always no one listened. The bulls were busy cheering on with the funadmentalists on the leading edge. Well, the index has fallen all the way from over 5000 to now 2300. I don't remember any fundamentalist having the audacity to call all that drop!


Fundamentalists are happy with the current prices.

Infact the fundamentalists are waiting for the bottom so as to stock up by the truckloads.


How will fundamentalists know the bottom if they keep buying every dip?
VituVingiSana
#3332 Posted : Thursday, March 12, 2020 12:03:34 PM
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wukan wrote:
sparkly wrote:
mnandii wrote:
Fundamental analysts and especially macro-economists have been proven over and over never to have the ability to tell when a trend is likely to change. Eg Elliott Wave International (EWI) has been predicting the end of the bull run in the DOW for ages. Now the DOW has started it's long drop down and there's still more downside to come. But you know what fundamentalists are saying right now? They are advising people to buy, that the current drop is simply a correction. Well, many people will make that damn mistake and buy. And they'll lose.

In 2015 I predicted the end of the bull run in NSE 20 Share Index. The very first post in this thread is testament to that. But as always no one listened. The bulls were busy cheering on with the funadmentalists on the leading edge. Well, the index has fallen all the way from over 5000 to now 2300. I don't remember any fundamentalist having the audacity to call all that drop!


Fundamentalists are happy with the current prices.

Infact the fundamentalists are waiting for the bottom so as to stock up by the truckloads.


How will fundamentalists know the bottom if they keep buying every dip?
The general idea is not to wait/look for dips though those are welcome but look at the current price and see if it makes sense. Some may buy smaller lots regularly if it looks like there may be dips. The underlying (fundamental) numbers/performance have to make sense.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
heri
#3333 Posted : Friday, March 13, 2020 3:18:58 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
mnandii wrote:
lochaz-index wrote:
mnandii wrote:


Remember our 36/- target on Safaricom. Be ready to SHORT then.

Watching this one closely.


Safcom may have topped out at 33.50.

A move below 25.00 will be conformation that a top is set at 33.50. If that happens then expect Safcom to fall much further to at least 14.00.


Safaricom is holding above 30.


Does it mean we might actually see the prices i initially thought were crazy on this thread??
mlennyma
#3334 Posted : Sunday, March 15, 2020 7:02:25 PM
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mnandii wrote:
KCB



KCB BANK GROUP fell from 184.53 to 44.11 to complete wave (A). Afterwards it has been consolidation in a likely triangle pattern (the converging trend lines) of wave (B).

I expect KCB to resume its drop to below 22.00




Corona might take us here.
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
mnandii
#3335 Posted : Monday, March 16, 2020 8:56:19 AM
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Let no one claim that this bear market was not predicted in advance!

Conventional thinkers waste time building shelters when they are unnecessary and then have no shelters when they need them the most. Socionomists do the opposite.
mnandii
#3336 Posted : Monday, March 16, 2020 9:00:56 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
wukan wrote:
sparkly wrote:
mnandii wrote:
Fundamental analysts and especially macro-economists have been proven over and over never to have the ability to tell when a trend is likely to change. Eg Elliott Wave International (EWI) has been predicting the end of the bull run in the DOW for ages. Now the DOW has started it's long drop down and there's still more downside to come. But you know what fundamentalists are saying right now? They are advising people to buy, that the current drop is simply a correction. Well, many people will make that damn mistake and buy. And they'll lose.

In 2015 I predicted the end of the bull run in NSE 20 Share Index. The very first post in this thread is testament to that. But as always no one listened. The bulls were busy cheering on with the funadmentalists on the leading edge. Well, the index has fallen all the way from over 5000 to now 2300. I don't remember any fundamentalist having the audacity to call all that drop!


Fundamentalists are happy with the current prices.

Infact the fundamentalists are waiting for the bottom so as to stock up by the truckloads.


How will fundamentalists know the bottom if they keep buying every dip?
The general idea is not to wait/look for dips though those are welcome but look at the current price and see if it makes sense. Some may buy smaller lots regularly if it looks like there may be dips. The underlying (fundamental) numbers/performance have to make sense.


Fundamentalists can never know a bottom. The same way they didn't see a top!
What they claim to work is the strategy of buy and hold which works in a bull market scenario only. They will pay the price of blindness in this bear market.
Conventional thinkers waste time building shelters when they are unnecessary and then have no shelters when they need them the most. Socionomists do the opposite.
mnandii
#3337 Posted : Monday, March 16, 2020 9:03:57 AM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
mnandii wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
mnandii wrote:
Fundamental analysts and especially macro-economists have been proven over and over never to have the ability to tell when a trend is likely to change. Eg Elliott Wave International (EWI) has been predicting the end of the bull run in the DOW for ages. Now the DOW has started it's long drop down and there's still more downside to come. But you know what fundamentalists are saying right now? They are advising people to buy, that the current drop is simply a correction. Well, many people will make that damn mistake and buy. And they'll lose.

In 2015 I predicted the end of the bull run in NSE 20 Share Index. The very first post in this thread is testament to that. But as always no one listened. The bulls were busy cheering on with the funadmentalists on the leading edge. Well, the index has fallen all the way from over 5000 to now 2300. I don't remember any fundamentalist having the audacity to call all that drop!

Fundamental investors look at fundamentals so when prices go out of whack, they stop/reduce buying or start selling.
I have sold shares/positions in the past when they seemed untenable in light of the prices vs the underlying performance.

BTW, I do not invest in an index but in specific shares/stocks with the top 5 constituting 80%+ and the top 10 would be 95%+.


Please please give Elliott Waves the benefit of doubt? I pray you spare some time and do some reading on it? Maybe even jus subscribe for the Financial Forecast service at EWI for a month? I promise you it will be worth your while.


My 5 shares have barely flinched compared to the index, and even if they did i wouldn't be worried because they are fundamentally strong. I would actually add more - cash allowing. The days of buying shares because of crown or broker are way past smile smile smile

Disclaimer: I am not doubting Elliott's Wave, i have used it here once in a while courtesy of you and made money, but different people invest for different reasons.


Thanks fundi. But I would urge you to keep some hard cash
. Not money in the bank. But actual had cash to be kept under your mattress
Conventional thinkers waste time building shelters when they are unnecessary and then have no shelters when they need them the most. Socionomists do the opposite.
mnandii
#3338 Posted : Monday, March 16, 2020 9:06:15 AM
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Proper fundamental analysis here from March 2014.

mnandii wrote:
ELLIOTT WAVE ANALYSIS OF THE NSE 20 SHARE INDEX

This is my interpretation of the path of the NSE 20 Share index from the low of Sept. 2002. I've obtained the chart from the FINANCIAL TIMES Website
link

Elliott wave analysis is mine.
Looking at the chart, one can convincingly conclude that it is possible to chart the path of the NSE using Elliott Waves. For those interested in learning the waves you can read ELLIOTT WAVE PRINCIPLE: KEY TO MARKET BEHAVIOUR BY Frost and Prechter. You can get the entire book free and alot more from www.elliottwave.com.

It is instructive to note that Prechter and Frost, in the book, predicted the great bull market from 1979 (i.e the DJIA). To date the American market has far exceeded even their own expectations. Prechter won the U.S Trading Championship in 1984 with a record 444% gain.

Prechter

Prechter is currently researching on social causality via the Socionomics Institute.

Now to our analysis:



This chart shows a 5 wave move from the low of Sept. 2002 (1009 points) to the high of Jan 2007 (6026 points). Note the zigzag in wave IV and the triangle in wave four of wave V.

This five wave move is called an Impulse Wave. I don't have data from before 1998 so I guess this is a fifth wave move of a much larger impulse wave.

A fourth wave usually divides an impulse into a Golden Section. From the low of Sept. 2002 to the high of wave III (at 3176) is a gain of 2167 (i.e. 3176-1009). Wave V has a gain of 3558 points (i.e 6026-2468).

Now, wave I through wave III, (i.e 3176-1009=2167) multiplied by 1.618 ( a Fibonacci ratio) gives 3506 points vide:

(3176-1009) X 1.618 = 3506 points.

Wave V had a gain of 3558 points i.e 6026-2468.
The difference btw the two figures (3558 vs 3506) is 52 points which is one and half percentage points from the exact figure!

WHY I CONSIDER A HUGE BEAR MARKET FOR NSE

1. From the high of 6026, the NSE 20 Share index has fallen in five waves (i.e waves 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5). From the low of March 2009 (at 2576 points), the NSE has moved in 3 waves. Or, at the very least, the move from the part I've labelled A to the part labelled B cannot be considered an impulse wave due to overlap. The Elliott wave pattern that has such characteristics is called a ZIGZAG. A Zigzag is a three wave move that subdivides 5-3-5. So presently we have 5 waves down from the 6026 high, thus forming wave A. Wave B is the three wave move from the low of March 2009 at 2576 to present levels. What remains is another five wave down which is likely to take the 2576 low!!!

2. Also note the DIVERGENCE between the RSI and the highs that the NSE is making presently.

3. From the low of Sept. 2002 to the high of Jan 2007 NSE had a gain of 5017 (i.e 6026-1009) points over a 5 year period. From the low of March 2009 to presently, the NSE has only gained about 2497 points (i.e 5073-2576) over a 5 year period. This is about half the gain of 2002-2007. So we now have a market which shows weakness in breadth apart from not making a new high beyond 6026 points.

4. Economically Kenya has one of the highest taxation levels with little efficiency. Electricity prices are high etc etc. Our debt obligation, though not necessarily un-manageable at this point, has accelerated over the past few years. Alot of grand projects are being announced which appear to be good news. In Elliott analysis complacency usually reigns at the very top of a move.

CONCLUSION

NSE 20 Share index is over-extended and it is time for a big correction in the market.

Regards to all.



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mnandii
#3339 Posted : Monday, March 16, 2020 9:11:39 AM
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Kenya is going to experience a war, either with itself or with an external neighbour.
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mnandii
#3340 Posted : Monday, March 16, 2020 9:22:49 AM
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mnandii wrote:
Kenya is going to experience a war, either with itself or with an external neighbour.

A major war I should add.
Conventional thinkers waste time building shelters when they are unnecessary and then have no shelters when they need them the most. Socionomists do the opposite.
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