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Kenya Economy Watch
wukan
#1641 Posted : Tuesday, July 24, 2018 2:53:19 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
Convert KES holding in USD...because CBK may not be able to defend once default looms.


There will be no default;Gok has began cost cutting measures,freeze in projects and raising taxes to repay the debt.
You heard last week no starting new projects before completion of the existing ones.


The International Martha F... were around Nairobi for assessment and they left without releasing the usual public statement told GoK to read and comment (balls were squeezed). These Martha Fs are no joke, next time they will just break GoK knee caps. They went to Haiti demanded end of fuel subsidies and praised the govt for cutting fuel subsidies. Long story short the Haitian govt collapsed and went home after violent street protests. Same thing in Jordan.
VituVingiSana
#1642 Posted : Wednesday, July 25, 2018 1:38:59 AM
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whiteowl wrote:
maka wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
That robinhood tax is an IMF tax, preparing us for debt default. Mark this post.


If we default even on one single payment that will be the end of this country...


Reminds me of Cyprus when they taxed bank deposits for "one time only"
In Kenya, this "haircut" could be applied to:
- Bank deposits
- T-Bills/Bonds
- Higher corporate tax
- Additional taxes on dividends

No matter how one looks at it, we will be effed.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
guka
#1643 Posted : Wednesday, July 25, 2018 4:47:38 AM
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How are folks preparing when sh*t hits the fan? I foresee a very shaky next one year.
KulaRaha
#1644 Posted : Wednesday, July 25, 2018 8:12:30 AM
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KES will get hit, no matter how much CBK defends.
Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
lochaz-index
#1645 Posted : Wednesday, July 25, 2018 1:39:38 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
Convert KES holding in USD...because CBK may not be able to defend once default looms.


There will be no default;Gok has began cost cutting measures,freeze in projects and raising taxes to repay the debt.
You heard last week no starting new projects before completion of the existing ones.

Freezing of projects is just but the start of what will be a long, arduous and acrimonious journey. Even some of the ones that had already commenced will stall as is already happening. Remember it is the IMF calling the shots not GoK. For now thank the heavens KES has remained stable.

Next comes increased taxation...that is when the rubber will meet the road aka public anger and protests. Alot of political capital(heads) will have to be spent or sacrificed to appease the enraged masses - think in lines of the corruption hullabaloo engulfing the country - just to steady the political ship.

Not only has public spending been less than prudent, both current and future opex + capex don't appear to be funnelled to enhance KE's repayment capabilities. Some are a complete waste.

KES losing ground vs the dollar adds strenuous weight on the debt burden and most importantly worsens the debt service ratio which makes repayment of interest and principal sums due almost impossible.

Depending on the debt holder various options exist none of which is exactly palatable:

1. Default then blacklisting quickly follows. The resultant interest rates will make the pre-cap interest rates look like free money.

2. Cede strategic assets, which is something China is particularly fond of.

3. Restructurings and haircuts aka soft defaults which implies KE econ will be in a slump for a long time.

4. Inflation finance.

5. A fortuitous forfeiture by some creditors - not sure exactly who this might be and is very unlikely.

For a sneak peek into the future, have look at what is happening to MENA countries(take your pick of the lot) or even Haiti.

FYI politics had nothing to do with last year's economic slowdown.
The main purpose of the stock market is to make fools of as many people as possible.
KulaRaha
#1646 Posted : Wednesday, July 25, 2018 2:33:39 PM
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China never forfeits, never.

they hold 67% of of our foreign debt (maybe more).

Heads will roll to pretend they are trying to clean up...
Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
tom_boy
#1647 Posted : Wednesday, July 25, 2018 3:59:13 PM
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How best can an individual hedge against run off inflation? I am wondering if a home safe is really a good idea. Quite risky as the help will tell the watchman who will then bring some thugs. How about a bank safe deposit box stashed with usd and euro? How does one buy bitcoins?
They must find it difficult....... those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority. -G. Massey.
KulaRaha
#1648 Posted : Wednesday, July 25, 2018 4:21:09 PM
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cash USD like guys did in 92/93. Then convert up there and into GoK paper which will be at crazy rates.
Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
Fyatu
#1649 Posted : Wednesday, July 25, 2018 4:31:00 PM
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With the impending doom, what will happen to the monkeys i hold at the NSE? Will i be left holding feathers ama what?
Dumb money becomes dumb only when it listens to smart money
Ericsson
#1650 Posted : Wednesday, July 25, 2018 4:39:10 PM
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Fyatu wrote:
With the impending doom, what will happen to the monkeys i hold at the NSE? Will i be left holding feathers ama what?


Nothing will happen,the kenyan economy will remain strong.
The kenyan currency has been the best performing this year in SSA
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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