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PLAYING THE MARKET-A NEW YEAR RESOLUTION
muganda
#301 Posted : Wednesday, October 06, 2010 11:52:19 PM
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DON'T BE TOO SURE.
youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
90% in 3 months!!! Move over stocksmaster. www.businessdailyafrica....2/-/9db3o4z/-/index.html


If something appears too good to be true, it probably is. A casual glance at those 3 months shows if the winning team put all the money in the top gainer for the period, they'd only have made 67% before expenses.

And checking top gainers in each single month to allow for trading, still doesn't yield much more than 70%.

To achieve 90%, winning team had to purchase-sell-buy, without splitting, the top gainer in each month: REA 20% BAT 15% SCAN 50% Making it a game of chance rather than skill.

This simulated environment appears buggy and questionable!
kiriita
#302 Posted : Thursday, October 07, 2010 12:25:34 AM
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@muganda

They could have compounded, no?
muganda
#303 Posted : Thursday, October 07, 2010 12:45:26 AM
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kiriita wrote:
@muganda

They could have compounded, no?


In fact the 90% only possible, even in the extreme position, only when there's compounding 1.2 x 1.15 x 1.5
sparkly
#304 Posted : Thursday, October 07, 2010 1:26:44 AM
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muganda wrote:
kiriita wrote:
@muganda

They could have compounded, no?


In fact the 90% only possible, even in the extreme position, only when there's compounding 1.2 x 1.15 x 1.5

Did i see credit facilities? Seems that they used leverage, very effective in a bull market. You have 100k and borrow a further 100k at 20% interest per annum for three months . Stock rises by 50% in three months, you pay back the principal and interest, deduct transaction costs and still have a return of 84%!
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mwanahisa
#305 Posted : Thursday, October 07, 2010 7:29:26 AM
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youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
90% in 3 months!!! Move over stocksmaster. www.businessdailyafrica....2/-/9db3o4z/-/index.html


These guys have nothing on Stockmaster. He trades REAL money which involves REAL emotions. As many of us know that's the BIG difference between making money and losing it. When you are using MONOPOLY money, you can have nerves made of ice.

StockmasterApplause , continue your HAPPY HUNTING!
VituVingiSana
#306 Posted : Thursday, October 07, 2010 8:58:32 AM
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I would like to see the trades... were they trades that could have happened in a 'real' scenario including dealing with illiquidity?

http://www.businessdaily.../-/9db3o4z/-/index.html

Sorta like the fantasy market where you can buy shares that hardly trade... Or buy quantities generally not available on the real market...
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
kyt
#307 Posted : Thursday, October 07, 2010 8:59:58 AM
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u cant compare the winners with stocksmaster, master is pure class!
LOVE WHAT YOU DO, DO WHAT YOU LOVE.
youcan'tstopusnow
#308 Posted : Thursday, October 07, 2010 9:34:28 AM
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VVS, I think the competition is a replica of the faNtaSEy market ONLY THAT trades take 3 days to complete. But not sure. You can check at the NSE website
GOD BLESS YOUR LIFE
stocksmaster
#309 Posted : Thursday, October 07, 2010 5:52:32 PM
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ACTIVITY 13:SALE OF 22,800 KCB SHARES AT AVERAGE PRICE OF KSH 22.875.
DATE: 07/10/2010

VALUE OF TRANSACTION= KSH 22.875 X 22,800 SHARES = KSH 521,550
Less 1.82% transaction cost = KSH 9,500

CASH RECEIVED FROM ACTIVITY 13: KSH 512,050

CASH IN HAND AFTER ACTIVITY 12: KSH 1,295

SUMMARY OF PORTFOLIO AFTER ACTIVITY 13:

TOTAL CASH IN HAND AFTER ACTIVITY 13: KSH 513,345

SHARES CURRENTLY HELD: 2111 SCBK SHARES

RATIONALE OF ACTIVITY 13:

My average buying price of KCB net of transaction cost was Ksh 19.44. At the Ksh 22.75 - 23.00 range, this represented a net gain of 15.5% within 17 Days of purchase.

Although my initial target was an exit price of Ksh 26 or March 2011 (6 months horizon), 50% of my target in KCB was achieved within half a month. That to me means a need to reevaluate wether going forward, another counter exists that can give me a superior return on investment.

KCB still remains an attractive investment even at current prices but as it approaches a P/E of 15, it begins to assume a fair price.A large number of those who purchased the share at Rights (Ksh 17) will have a strong urge to lock in some gains at current prices which will slow down the forward momentum.I expect some profit taking as early as tomorrow(Friday 08/10/2010.

I anticipate KCB will announce about 28-30% rise in Q3 2010 in Net profits which should support the share at current prices upto December 2010. The share should test the Ksh 26-27 range prior to End of year results in February 2011 and the Ksh 30 levels at around April 2010.

As the funds clear within the next four days, I intend to scan the NSE seeking for bargains.

As for the SCBK shares, the Q3 results are eagerly awaited before an investment decision is arrived at.

Happy hunting.
Gatheuzi
#310 Posted : Thursday, October 07, 2010 6:46:33 PM
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stocksmaster wrote:
ACTIVITY 13:SALE OF 22,800 KCB SHARES AT AVERAGE PRICE OF KSH 22.875.
DATE: 07/10/2010

VALUE OF TRANSACTION= KSH 22.875 X 22,800 SHARES = KSH 521,550
Less 1.82% transaction cost = KSH 9,500

CASH RECEIVED FROM ACTIVITY 13: KSH 512,050

CASH IN HAND AFTER ACTIVITY 12: KSH 1,295

SUMMARY OF PORTFOLIO AFTER ACTIVITY 13:

TOTAL CASH IN HAND AFTER ACTIVITY 13: KSH 513,345

SHARES CURRENTLY HELD: 2111 SCBK SHARES

RATIONALE OF ACTIVITY 13:

My average buying price of KCB net of transaction cost was Ksh 19.44. At the Ksh 22.75 - 23.00 range, this represented a net gain of 15.5% within 17 Days of purchase.

Although my initial target was an exit price of Ksh 26 or March 2011 (6 months horizon), 50% of my target in KCB was achieved within half a month. That to me means a need to reevaluate wether going forward, another counter exists that can give me a superior return on investment.

KCB still remains an attractive investment even at current prices but as it approaches a P/E of 15, it begins to assume a fair price.A large number of those who purchased the share at Rights (Ksh 17) will have a strong urge to lock in some gains at current prices which will slow down the forward momentum.I expect some profit taking as early as tomorrow(Friday 08/10/2010.

I anticipate KCB will announce about 28-30% rise in Q3 2010 in Net profits which should support the share at current prices upto December 2010. The share should test the Ksh 26-27 range prior to End of year results in February 2011 and the Ksh 30 levels at around April 2010.

As the funds clear within the next four days, I intend to scan the NSE seeking for bargains.

As for the SCBK shares, the Q3 results are eagerly awaited before an investment decision is arrived at.

Happy hunting.


Good move. No need to be tied for too long in one position.
Time is money, so money is time. Money saved is time gained in reverse! Money stores your life’s energy. You expend your energy, get paid money, and store that money for a future purchase made in a currency.
Gatheuzi
#311 Posted : Thursday, October 07, 2010 7:22:41 PM
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stocksmaster wrote:
ACTIVITY 13:SALE OF 22,800 KCB SHARES AT AVERAGE PRICE OF KSH 22.875.
DATE: 07/10/2010


As the funds clear within the next four days, I intend to scan the NSE seeking for bargains.


Happy hunting.


@SM, what I dont get is why the funds have to clear in the next four days. Do you first get a check and then deposit the funds back to the broker?

In my case with CFC if I don't intend to cash in, my shares can get bought the next day after I sell from one counter.
Time is money, so money is time. Money saved is time gained in reverse! Money stores your life’s energy. You expend your energy, get paid money, and store that money for a future purchase made in a currency.
young
#312 Posted : Thursday, October 07, 2010 7:32:27 PM
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The Great Stocksmaster,

Take my opinion more of an advise than criticism
.

(i) You tend to be too speculative and this is too risky, on every transaction you are paying commission.

(ii) If you are so sure of KCB reaching 30 in May 2011 from the current 22+, why take another risk ?

(iii) You exited Mumias at 9+ and you almost get burnt in Safcom wheras mumias was stable at 13+ before the Zain challenge.

(iv) Let me commend you the most accurate entry and exit you mades in SCB but you shoot across the bar when you hastily re-entered SCB above
the bottom.

We want you to last in this forum to the benefit of others but you are getting hasty.

When a gifted masqurade misses steps and tumble, people tend to forget the previous beautiful dance steps.


Be sure whatever you do is sustainable.

Congrats once again and kudos to you.

We all love you and admire your skiils but please
do not overdo it to your detriment.Do not box yourself into a corner.

No one is perfect in this game so continue with the beautiful dance step but please re-examine the frequency of your trades.
This is my candid opinion.


With Regards

Young,
Nigeria
(6 years experience in NSE)
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cnn
#313 Posted : Thursday, October 07, 2010 7:43:34 PM
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@young,go back and read post number 1 on this thread.
VituVingiSana
#314 Posted : Thursday, October 07, 2010 8:40:32 PM
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@Stocksmaster - I bow to you... LOL... Great going!
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
stocksmaster
#315 Posted : Thursday, October 07, 2010 10:26:53 PM
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@ Young:
Good to hear from you and thank you for that insightful piece. Your advice is always highly valuable.

As I mentioned in January 2010 when i started this thread, i was curious as to wether a person can successfully play the the NSE and make any worthwhile returns as compared to passive investing which was and still is my main NSE investing method.

I thus decided to perform a small experiment which would act as a control test on my NSE investment. I created a modest seed capital of about Ksh 0.5M and decided to engage in highly speculative high risk investment strategy with minimal diversification a trading methodology that has so far taught me alot.

In short, I believe that both strategies (highly diversified minimal trading AND highly speculative high risk trading)can both co-exist.

The high risk strategy has ensured my eye is always on the market and has resulted in a more frequent restructuring of my main portfolio resulting in better returns on investment for the year 2010 so far.

Happy hunting
young
#316 Posted : Thursday, October 07, 2010 10:39:40 PM
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@Stocksmaster the great,

Am happy you took my advise /opinion in good faith.

Wazuarians are expecting a feedback from you about your enquiries on ecobank ghana stock brokers ?

Regards

Young
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sparkly
#317 Posted : Thursday, October 07, 2010 10:55:23 PM
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@stocksmaster you got out of kcb too quick. We will hit 28 faster than any other stock can get you that kind of return.
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VituVingiSana
#318 Posted : Friday, October 08, 2010 12:19:36 AM
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Considering @stockmaster's record... I am a keen follower!

I remain a long-termer but I might follow his lead and allocate a similar amount to a account like he does...
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
guru267
#319 Posted : Friday, October 08, 2010 3:46:59 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Considering @stockmaster's record... I am a keen follower!

I remain a long-termer but I might follow his lead and allocate a similar amount to a account like he does...

I have a similar strategy where 10-15% of my portfolio is PURELY for speculative purposes.....

In 2010 its my long term buys doing most of the work and i'm not doing that well at speculation...

Though i hope this will improve
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
sparkly
#320 Posted : Friday, October 08, 2010 8:30:59 AM
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@guru i also have a speculation/active trading allocation of 20%. Members of that allocation at times un-expectedly give me phenomenal returns. Intelligent speculation is healthy.
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