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Housing Finance: HFCK a diamond in the rough
obiero
#1581 Posted : Tuesday, December 20, 2016 7:14:36 AM
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Mkondoa Macho wrote:
If I am riding this bus with Obiero, I think it is the high time I bailed out. Selling mine at 14 tomorrow. Capital preservation is key.

It's time to buy!!

KQ ABP 4.26
Ericsson
#1582 Posted : Tuesday, December 20, 2016 11:49:54 AM
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Biggest loser amongst the banks today
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
actuarywahisa
#1583 Posted : Tuesday, December 20, 2016 11:57:23 AM
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obiero wrote:
Mkondoa Macho wrote:
If I am riding this bus with Obiero, I think it is the high time I bailed out. Selling mine at 14 tomorrow. Capital preservation is key.

It's time to buy!!


The 'Alleged' hidden NPL of KES4b is the equivalent of 3 years worth of profits ...... !! Ponder on that for a second.

And even if it was true, of course you don't expect the company to release a statement before real pressure from the regulator accepting that it had hidden NPLs.
There are too many opportunities all around. Open your eyes and maybe you'll spot one
hisah
#1584 Posted : Tuesday, December 20, 2016 12:01:50 PM
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What does the cartoon say? From the monthly chart (long term) HFCK still has a long way down to go! All time vol spike appeared in Dec 2015 between the 21 - 24 price level. Since then the price has nosedived! That's a nasty signal with all that heavy volume in action. Caution. 10.00 handle had better hold!

If it breaks that psychological multiyear support level the next level is 7.50 - 8.50 which if it fails to hold we have a sizable air pocket down to the next level at 2.50 - 3.00 (2001 all time low)!



By the time HF craters towards 3.00 the KE real estate will be in the junk yard with housing prices bleeding badly! That will be trigger a credit systemic event since the banks hold real estate in their books too.

Will HF trigger the peak in real estate?
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
VituVingiSana
#1585 Posted : Tuesday, December 20, 2016 12:06:07 PM
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obiero wrote:
Mkondoa Macho wrote:
If I am riding this bus with Obiero, I think it is the high time I bailed out. Selling mine at 14 tomorrow. Capital preservation is key.

It's time to buy!!

Which means it is time to sell coz @Obiero needs someone to buy his shares! Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Mkondoa Macho
#1586 Posted : Tuesday, December 20, 2016 12:30:14 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
Mkondoa Macho wrote:
If I am riding this bus with Obiero, I think it is the high time I bailed out. Selling mine at 14 tomorrow. Capital preservation is key.

It's time to buy!!

Which means it is time to sell coz @Obiero needs someone to buy his shares! Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

Obiero has the opposite of a Midas touch...whatever he touches, turns into ash.Sad Sad Sad
actuarywahisa
#1587 Posted : Tuesday, December 20, 2016 12:43:38 PM
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Mkondoa Macho wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
Mkondoa Macho wrote:
If I am riding this bus with Obiero, I think it is the high time I bailed out. Selling mine at 14 tomorrow. Capital preservation is key.

It's time to buy!!

Which means it is time to sell coz @Obiero needs someone to buy his shares! Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

Obiero has the opposite of a Midas touch...whatever he touches, turns into ash.Sad Sad Sad


Please leave Ngunze alone!smile
There are too many opportunities all around. Open your eyes and maybe you'll spot one
VituVingiSana
#1588 Posted : Tuesday, December 20, 2016 1:32:54 PM
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hisah wrote:
What does the cartoon say? From the monthly chart (long term) HFCK still has a long way down to go! All time vol spike appeared in Dec 2015 between the 21 - 24 price level. Since then the price has nosedived! That's a nasty signal with all that heavy volume in action. Caution. 10.00 handle had better hold!

If it breaks that psychological multiyear support level the next level is 7.50 - 8.50 which if it fails to hold we have a sizable air pocket down to the next level at 2.50 - 3.00 level.


Will Britam have to Mark-to-Market? With the "loss" on HFCK, one wonders what the effect will be on Britam. Good luck.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
obiero
#1589 Posted : Tuesday, December 20, 2016 2:29:50 PM
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7% up today... I told you I know Kevin personally. Nothing true in his allegations

KQ ABP 4.26
lochaz-index
#1590 Posted : Tuesday, December 20, 2016 3:06:28 PM
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Joined: 9/18/2014
Posts: 1,127
hisah wrote:
What does the cartoon say? From the monthly chart (long term) HFCK still has a long way down to go! All time vol spike appeared in Dec 2015 between the 21 - 24 price level. Since then the price has nosedived! That's a nasty signal with all that heavy volume in action. Caution. 10.00 handle had better hold!

If it breaks that psychological multiyear support level the next level is 7.50 - 8.50 which if it fails to hold we have a sizable air pocket down to the next level at 2.50 - 3.00 (2001 all time low)!



By the time HF craters towards 3.00 the KE real estate will be in the junk yard with housing prices bleeding badly! That will be trigger a credit systemic event since the banks hold real estate in their books too.

Will HF trigger the peak in real estate?

HF price broke below the GFC price trough. In my interpretation of price movement that is a very bad sign coz in essence it is saying that current market conditions are worse than back then (allowing for irrationality of course). And that's quite a statement. Credit growth has also shrunk to GFC levels...excellent correlation.

All in all, HF is a highly cyclical stock - rallies hard during a bull and crashes badly in a bear with zero exceptions - it perfectly dovetails the market trend with minimal divergences here and there. Strong bear results in ridiculous HF pricing. I think HF is foreshadowing the overall market trend at this point in time.

Peak real estate + peak bonds = jaw dropping stuff. Real estate in KE is more or less in the plateau stage before a correction/bear begins. Ditto for bonds. If both happen at roughly the same time frame HF @2.5-3.00 will print. We will need a new word for discounts.

The main purpose of the stock market is to make fools of as many people as possible.
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